Canada is a failed state

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Called it. Trump was just putting his pistol on the table and saying "let's make a deal". I mean, it's obvious. He's done it before.

Well, unlike Canada, Trump isn't calling for 52st state of Hispania.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Well, unlike Canada, Trump isn't calling for 52st state of Hispania.

Well yeah. Mexico is full of Mexicans. Who would want that?

 

[OutInTheRain]

So anyone talking about annexation, it isn't happening, it will never happen. There is at no point, that the US establishment wants to deal with Canadians or Canadian territory, and that is both parties. Things would have to get exponentially worse in Canada for the US to even think of that.

Now militarily, Canada's military is deeply integrated with the US. There are American service members on every Canadian base, just like there are Canadian members on a large portion of American ones. We get all of our intel, from the Americans. With NORAD the American's pay for 60% of the cost and have access to RADAR feeds across the entire continent, including Canada. So understand how much of a non-starter any of that is. They have us by the balls.

With trade, we ship raw materials south, and import finished materials. Look at our response to the US, we raised tariffs on alcohol, and orange juice. That is not a good sign. We cannot process most raw materials, because we cannot sell them in a Canadian market. We ship Gypsum from Nova Scotia, to Maine to make drywall which gets shipped back to Canada. Now this is because the provinces tariff the fuck out of each other, especially with regards to manufacturing. It has been said before, we have no east to west trade, and we aren't about to start now.

We don't expand our resource extraction because at no point, does Ottawa want other population centres popping up like the aforementioned ring of fire in Northern Ontario. Nor does Ottawa want another Alberta situation on it's hands with an expansion of its economy and population that might pull power away from Toronto and Montreal. We use environmental and native shit to obfuscate the reasons, but it is to keep regions poor.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

I feel bad for Canada, but you guys basically are an extension of the worst ideas the English had with governance and unironically should have cut Quebec off years ago and let them suffer until they come crawling back like a mouthy French whore in need of rent money.

The US has it’s problems, but you guys effectively let them fester because you could count on the US really not paying attention to Canada.

I do broadly hate Canadian citizens. I had a Canadian-American mayor when I was a kid. They have an unearned ego whenever they talk about Americans.

You hate Canadian citizens because all the expats are the profit seeking asshole scumbags

Your average Canadian isn’t really any different from your average Midwesterner

 

[Lord Xenu]

My favorite HebrewNews commentator, the Menzoid, did a good interview with a guy named Ron Craig on gun bans and the history of firearms culture & law:

It's meant to explain the situation to anti and/or non-gunners, so most of the thread will already be aware.

 

[( ◠‿◠ )]

Stan Rogers, who looks like a boomer, but somehow died at 33 in 1983 burned alive on an Air Canada plane in Kentucky when some faggot set it alight by smoking in the washroom.

That's absolutely horrific, but at least he didn't have to suffer through a whole Air Canada flight.

 

[Betonhaus]

Called it. Trump was just putting his pistol on the table and saying "let's make a deal". I mean, it's obvious. He's done it before.

I think that was the intention, but when he opened that can of worms he found a golden opportunity he's figuring out how to get.

That being said, I strongly suspect that the vast majority of people against Trump annexing Canada would have been happy if Biden annexed Canada, especially if the entire media complex was behind supporting the annex.

 

[Sand Mega]

Trump can do the funniest thing ever and say: "Well, since the tariffs for Mexico were paused, we're raising Canada's tariffs to 50% to compensate".

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

I actually want Trump to put minimum 10% tariff across the board and watch smug "Made in Canada" crowd cry in tears.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

I actually want Trump to put minimum 10% tariff across the board and watch smug "Made in Canada" crowd cry in tears.

Isn’t it already minimum 25%

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Isn’t it already minimum 25%

Yeh 25% ain't real at this point.

 

[ForTheHoard]

I was going to make a joke about everyone in Florida dying from a minor tummy ache, but Grok cut me off again.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

So anyone talking about annexation, it isn't happening, it will never happen.

In one step from here, in a few weeks? Sure, likely not. But, you don't seem to understand just how retarded our government is. Let me give some examples of scenarios that are entirely possible and would result in annexation:

• Trudeau doubles down when Trump doubles down -> Repeat a few times -> Refuses to negotiate with orange man -> Starts selling uranium to China and orders nukes to be made -> Invaded -> Annexed to secure national safety of USA
• Trudeau spits in Trumps face when Trump backs down ("Bro are you crazy let's talk" "No") -> Seeks Chinese nuclear umbrella (this is literally happening already) -> China gets small military presence in Canada -> Canada is seen as vassal state to China -> Glowniggers start some shit as a pretext -> Invaded -> Annexed to prevent Chinese influence in NA
• Tariffs absolutely devastate the economy -> Widespread civil unrest once food is low -> Some provinces try to leave and join other nations -> Martial law -> Illegal border crossings spike along with asylum claims -> "Special Military Operation" on USA's part begins to stop the collapse of Canada -> Annexed to prevent failed state from threatening US borders

...and so on. The pattern here should be obvious.

Do I think Trump will let it get this bad on purpose? No, he's not retarded. Do I think Trudeau would cut our nose off to spite the USA? Yes. Do I think the people here are dumb enough to self-immolate out of misplaced pride? Absolutely yes. There are a number of hypothetical scenarios that could happen in the next months to years that would prompt the USA to annex this country simply for its own safety, and all of them are the result of our government's failures rather than any true motivation on Trump's part.

So yes, it's a non-zero chance. I'm trying to be optimistic here and say it's not all that likely yet since Trump is way less retarded than Trudeau and may try to calm the situation down, but our "government" (read: parasitic class) probably sees a golden opportunity to rob the treasury and blame someone else for all the fuckery they've done in the last decade to ruin this place and I don't know if they care enough about the future to not take it.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The USA has had an on again off again idea of annexing Canada. Its been a part of our culture since the founding, and rears it's head all the time. It's modern iteration being more tongue and cheek things like the South Park Movie and the Fallout video games. But there has always been a sort of consensus in thought if not practice that eventually Canada will join the Union in due time. The idea has just been on low simmer in America due to the Cold War and then the War on Terror causing America's attention to be focused on Asia rather then North America.

Now with both the Terror War and the Cold War falling to history and America going through it's usual isolationist cycle that it runs through every few political generations it's come up again.

Probably at the worst time for Canada though, as you guys are coming off one of the worst Premierships in decades, with compounding social crisis in housing and immigration and a jack booted suppression of Canadian nationalists just a few years ago. Trudeau calling for Canadian nationalism now is pretty ironic.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

They already robbed the treasury, sold and emptied gold reserves and now we are floating with helium balloons.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

They already robbed the treasury, sold and emptied gold reserves and now we are floating with helium balloons.

You're not thinking like a true parasite. The gold may be gone, but the floorboards are worth something, and that nice man mister Shekelsteinberg down the street will use them as collateral for loans they never intend to pay back, taken out in the citizens' names.

 

[Sneedenhagen Chew]

Asserting that "most sane people" would rather starve to death than live through a regime change makes you come off as hysterical regardless of leanings

Really? For me it was the "Donald Trump is part of an evil Illuminati cabal to empower grand-master 34th degree ultra-grandmaster mason Vladimir Putin by... totally fortifying the entire continent from coast to coast to coast to coast against any foreign incursion, just like David Icke, Bill Cooper and Serge Monast warned us about" bit.

 

[Ser Prize]

The "Pro Trump" people being described are the "based" right wing doomposters salivating at the idea of being annexed (some of which are in this thread!), not actual Americans (which those people would also still never be). Any Canadian who unironically wants to become a vassal state is a cuckold and every bit a traitor as Trudeau and the LPC.
At least pretend to be an accelerationist sperg hoping for a second Luigi-ing.

Canada has no loyalty to it's people, gleefully selling our futures and jobs off to foreigners who are overtly replacing us. Why should I show loyalty in the face of such treachery?

The Canada I would have fought for died before I was even born.

 

[Totallyunknown]

I do not see any case that American rule will be worse than our current rule, because the worst case scenario means everything stays the same as it is now.

This is fundamentally not true. It will be worse because you will be given substandard rights as a second rate colony state. This is a country that will primarily vote Democrat so why would he absorb 20 to 40 million more voters who disagree with him and give them voting rights and the same monetary funding that the central states get? It is easier to bankrupt the entire country and not give any of them a choice so they are so desperate they are begging to join America. Why would you want to bankrupt yourself into unrecoverable poverty and have the nationality on your passport stripped to tell the world you're from a second rate colony state.

Self defense is not equivalent to hate speech and I agree our criminal laws are lax and many conservative politicians would agree those laws are too lax and want to make strides in being harsher on crime.

Our tax dollars go to immigrants but they also go to the pogey for fishermen on the east coast during winter, forestry workers on the west coast, social assistance for every failed to launch white family, several (literally several) programs that ensure seniors are not living in destitute poverty, programs for subsidized housing (wait list is long but to remove this program puts tens of thousands on the street), programs for child care and children from lower income families, it also goes to access to hospitals and doctors and in some cases, dental for low income - yes, immigrants have taken advantage of these social programs and that is why all politicians are now in agreement to slow immigration and begin removing people overstaying visas. All of these programs and social initiatives will be removed to be replaced with objectively worse programs that have less support of the individual.

"They" may have stifled advancements but the native party of interests will literally become violent if not negotiated with. The natives need re-education, again, to keep us progressing. We need to break down interprovincial trade barriers and regulations to begin progression. Luckily, this can be done.

A convoy supporter will die a convoy supporter though because there is so much emotionally invested. You asked me to present without emotional attachment but you are already biased based on how you feel about the convoy and are unlikely to consider any other view points because your political identity is based around this event. I personally think the convoy was wrong and have argued that in this very thread but I know the supporters are so die hard that it is incredibly easy to turn them MAGA because their doctrine is to already be disconnected from the country based on their beliefs through the convoy. I cannot mention the convoy without chuds breaking into hysterics about how peaceful and wonderful and reasonable the protest was and that they're actually unsung Canadian heroes who stood up for our rights even though historical data indicates no political decisions about the pandemic were made during the protest and anything that did occur about the pandemic was already scheduled weeks to months in advance as to how the pandemic would wind down. So it's a bunch of uninformed people who were upset about mandates who are now running into the arms of Donald Trump to be mandated into a second class citizen openly. This alone makes the convoy a joke in hindsight.

I do not believe convoy supporters ever wanted what was best for the country nor did they care about Canadians as they are literally the first ones to jump ship when Trump comes calling. If they actually cared about this country, they would be the first ones to erect their God forsaken bouncy castles outside of Canadian Tire in SUPPORT of the country. But they never supported the country, they just hated Trudeau.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Statehood is just the carrot. Best you can hope for is Puerto Rican status.