Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Napoleon III]

What?? We do know, because he quite literally has attached various emails from potential trolls as exhibits in his filings, the most recent one being the one informing him that he forgot to mark his emails to Hardin as confidential.

Let me ask your opinion do you think Russ ever faked being trolled or are his emails 100% legit?

 

[TooManyKittens]

Look it doesn't fucking matter if greer reads the thread, doesn't read the thread and people email him shit, or fucking rackets or dong gone give him a personal summary for the lulz.

The net is the site is effectively public as it should be, and only an anonymous login stands between you and most of the forum. End discussion. What's said here is effectively public, as the easy to phone book username hall of shame ought to show you.

So without meaning to backseat moderate it actually doesn't fucking matter how greer gets the info from this thread. Only that he can and likely does.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Remember, Greer apparently thinks Hardin, U_M, and Null are all the same person. Not that there's anything wrong with that, if true.

I disagree. He constantly refers to Mr. Hardin and Null as two different people.

 

[Local Farmer]

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I know Mormons are into this sort of stuff so maybe Utah allows it?

 

[Not a bee]

Remember the old saying to not intervene when your opponent is making a mistake or whatever it was.
Russ is fucked. The little rat's backed into a corner.

 

[CEO of Gay]

He wants Null and Hardin to just give up and let him win already. That's his game plan.

Exactly the same pattern of behavior as the America's Got Talent suit.

 

[h3catoncheries]

Holy shit, none of the deranged, bad faith EXPLAINING answers the adverse inference motion at all.

Russ said Steve has (had) relevant information, that he would disclose truthfully else be sanctioned with pergiury, and the fact that you refused to call him to testify after your "falling out" indicates that his necessarily implied truthful and relevant information could have been a detriment to your case.
What, Steve's testimony would have been different if you were still buddies? So the facts change based on a person's status of friendship with you? THAT'S THE FUCKING ADVERSE INFERENCE you moron!

Also, Hardin brings it up just now because just now you confessed malice in declaring the "falling out" is what made you reconsider calling him.

The fact that RG mentions Steve among "eager witnesses" in the retransfer motion while he was fucking dead and hasn't been hearing from him for years after his "falling out" is an entirely differt, despicable, manipulation of facts!

Fuck you Russ I hope Null grinds your life to an even more miserable ruin than it is now.

 

[Malayalam]

God the judge must be having a fucking conniption over this shit.

 

[Oliver Onions]

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No wonder Greer never wants to prosecute this case. Doing so reminds him of his dead friend and getting the case done would just make him feel even worse about it.

I instinctively read this excerpt in Null's Ralph voice. Throw a 'YER HONNAH' in there every few sentences and it could have come from the dainty hooves of the rage pig himself.

OT: I know the US courts are set up in such a way to favour incompetent self-representing retards as much as possible, but is there any kind of 'Motion to say fuck this shit' that lets a judge throw out a case when it becomes apparent the plaintiff is incapable of doing as they're told?

 

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I instinctively read this excerpt in Null's Ralph voice. Throw a 'YER HONNAH' in there every few sentences and it could have come from the dainty hooves of the rage pig himself.

OT: I know the US courts are set up in such a way to favour incompetent self-representing retards as much as possible, but is there any kind of 'Motion to say fuck this shit' that lets a judge throw out a case when it becomes apparent the plaintiff is incapable of doing as they're told?

Afaik, the Courts can, at their own discretion, file motions Sua Sponte without prior motions or requests from the parties involved. It is pretty rare, but it does happen. IIRC during the earlier Melinda arc, Hon. Judge James P. Jones yeeted some of her lawsuits for failure to state a claim, but I could be remembering it wrong, it's been a while.

 

[Justice Tony]

OT: I know the US courts are set up in such a way to favour incompetent self-representing retards as much as possible, but is there any kind of 'Motion to say fuck this shit' that lets a judge throw out a case when it becomes apparent the plaintiff is incapable of doing as they're told?

Not that I know of. I don't think that it is the courts being set up to benefit terrible pro se defendants rather than that the traditional sanctions which would be placed on the plaintiff, or more specifically his lawyer, just don't work on Greer. I mean what are they going to do? Expel him from the bar? He's not a member. And it's not like he'd sue himself for legal malpractice.

Afaik, the Courts can, at their own discretion, file motions Sua Sponte without prior motions or requests from the parties involved. It is pretty rare, but it does happen. IIRC during the earlier Melinda arc, Hon. Judge James P. Jones yeeted some of her lawsuits for failure to state a claim, but I could be remembering it wrong, it's been a while.

Right but this is different from failing to state a claim, this is just plain old incompetence. I don't think that there is a motion to dismiss a case because the plaintiff has ineffective counsel or rather is the ineffective counsel. If there was it wouldn't be Sua Sponte, Null's lawyer would've done this ages ago.

 

[Oliver Onions]

I mean what are they going to do? Expel him from the bar? He's not a member. And it's not like he'd sue himself for legal malpractice.

That's what's crazy to me. I know that the reason it's set up this way is for the benefit of people with actual merit to their claims to get due process even if they don't really know what they're doing, but Russ has repeatedly ignored or otherwise failed to comply with the court's instructions for years; even when the judge spells it out for him in language a literal retard could understand.

There should be some sort of body Hardin can go to and lay out the full timeline of events to demonstrate Greer is doing this on purpose because he knows his claims are without merit and this whole case is a sham to try and bankrupt Null. Same with that fat fuck Acerthorn.

 

[Lapsus of the bepsus]

this whole case is a sham to try and bankrupt Null.

the craziest part is that russ has already publicly admitted this and yet the fucking 10th circus is allowing it to go on anyway

 

[Justice Tony]

There should be some sort of body Hardin can go to and lay out the full timeline of events to demonstrate Greer is doing this on purpose because he knows his claims are without merit and this whole case is a sham to try and bankrupt Null. Same with that fat fuck Acerthorn.

That's the thing though. The problem is not the merits of the case but rather the incompetence of the pro se plaintiff. Those are two separate issues and sadly it seems that his incompetence is preventing the court from throwing the case out on the merits.

the craziest part is that russ has already publicly admitted this and yet the fucking 10th circus is allowing it to go on anyway

I'm unfamiliar with the particular quote of him saying that but even if he did admit that his goal was to bankrupt null that doesn't necessarily mean he has no claim. If he actually admitted that the case was bogus that would be a whole other story, but that also would come with legal ramifications that I just don't know. Like how do you introduce that in court? It'd likely have to be during evidence so the fact that he said that, at least from what I understand, can't hurt him yet.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

I'm unfamiliar with the particular quote of him saying that but even if he did admit that his goal was to bankrupt null that doesn't necessarily mean he has no claim. If he actually admitted that the case was bogus that would be a whole other story, but that also would come with legal ramifications that I just don't know. Like how do you introduce that in court? It'd likely have to be during evidence so the fact that he said that, at least from what I understand, can't hurt him yet.

Here's his quote:


I'll let you judge for yourself what he means by "we are confident we can bankrupt the owner."

 

[Justice Tony]

Here's his quote:
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I'll let you judge for yourself what he means by "we are confident we can bankrupt the owner."

I don't think that the quote is a smoking gun. Sure, he is trying to bankrupt null. But that doesn't make the merits any more or less true than they already are. He doesn't talk about the merits, just his motive, which is kinda irrelevant based on my understanding of the case.

 

[obsdj]

There should be some sort of body Hardin can go to and lay out the full timeline of events to demonstrate Greer is doing this on purpose because he knows his claims are without merit and this whole case is a sham

Some sort of "Committee to Investigate the Sovereign Citizen Movement" would certainly be hilarious. Of course, like most such bodies, they would never actually accomplish anything, like the Weaponization of Government committee that is always releasing strongly-worded letters and subpoenas on Twitter but never finds a way to issue consequences for any of the malfeasance they find.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Here's his quote:
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I'll let you judge for yourself what he means by "we are confident we can bankrupt the owner."

It's okay, Greer was just being a shock jock! You can't just take things he said in the past and use them against him like that.

He also did write an entire plightspurging motion where he bitched about the legal fundraiser and how Null had enough money "for the long haul".

That's the thing though. The problem is not the merits of the case but rather the incompetence of the pro se plaintiff. Those are two separate issues and sadly it seems that his incompetence is preventing the court from throwing the case out on the merits.

I really don't know if that's what keeps this case going. Greer is a pro se but the judge also has to know that he isn't a first time pro se litigant. That he's been involved pro se in like double digit cases now I think takes some of that lee way away. It's more the fact that the case is insane but the 10th circuit said it had to go forward and the judge is just giving Greer every opportunity to present fuckin anything.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I don't think that the quote is a smoking gun. Sure, he is trying to bankrupt null. But that doesn't make the merits any more or less true than they already are. He doesn't talk about the merits, just his motive, which is kinda irrelevant based on my understanding of the case.

Motive is absolutely relevant.

 

[Justice Tony]

I really don't know if that's what keeps this case going. Greer is a pro se but the judge also has to know that he isn't a first time pro se litigant, that he's been involved pro se in like double digit cases now I think takes some of that lee way away. It's more the fact that the case is insane but the 10th circuit said it had to go forward and the judge is just giving Greer every opportunity to present fuckin anything.

Honestly, maybe they are doing it on purpose. Think about it, Greer is a known mass litigant who is a drain on the court system. If he loses this case with null it's not like he's going to stop suing random people. Maybe they think that dragging this out is a way to minimize the time they have to waste on him and Null is stuck with the shitbag? Idk.

Motive is absolutely relevant.

Yes but I do not think to the degree necessary to throw the case out. I may be wrong though.