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Should be a wild four years.

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xXthrowawayaccountXx said:
Oh my god, it's the "gifted" kids. For those who don't know, these were kids that were slightly ahead in making book reports in third grade and made that their entire personality, refusing to grow after that. Then after fucking up literally once, decided to make it a whole personality trait and wallow in self misery. They aren't actually smart, because actual smart people learn from mistakes like that and go to work at DOGE.

They share a lot of memes like this:
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Bemoaning that, again, the world isn't like third grade where you got asspats for knowing how a period works, and pretending this is now some deeply held personal trauma they can never recover from.
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In order for public schools to have "pull out gifted programs," or even a "gifted class" with extra enrichment twice a week, they needed to take in a larger number of children than the number of actual extraordinary talents in their schools. An elementary school with 500 students (which is right around the national average) would need 20 students minimum to do a "gifted class," but of course no one wants to put 4th graders with kindergarteners, so now you need four or five grade levels of "gifted class," each with 20 students. Now 100 out of the 500 students are gifted, 20%.

There are a lot more kids in the 80th-90th percentile "gifted" range in these classes than there are the 99.9th+ percentile kids who are genuinely extraordinarily talented and not served well by existing school systems, so "gifted classes" become midwit academies. They don't serve the ultra-bright autist hiding under the desk who might be able to cure cancer someday, they serve the grade grubbers and theater kids.
 
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The Blue Morpho said:
We are past the point of appealing to common ideals and values. The other side long abandoned them, so applying them equally is fucking gay and stupid. Where we are at now, you protect your friends and you punish your enemies.

We can be magnanimous in victory, but only after our foes have been utterly crushed.
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Maybe I've been unclear then, and I'll take that as my bad.

This isn't a left vs right issue. It's how they start the ratchet. Look at blackface for example. First the left tried banning it and the right were "you can't ban this". Then trudeua came out in full black face and the right said "you can't do this" and the sides flipped.

Now, in the black face example, the majority of the people, regardless of political belief, see blackface as bad.

It's the same strategy every fucking time. How many people now would say gay marraige was wrong vs 20 years ago? Most people don't care that gays can get married. The trannies though!! they're...totally fine because bruce jenner stood next to trump. Niggers are totally bad! except candace owens who is based.

Ratchet theory moves the world left and further and further from tradition. Same with this current topic.
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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
There is a categorical difference between bullying someone and threatening someone. This is ingrained in US law. You cannot tell someone "I am going to kill you" and not expect repercussions because the person you say this to is not expected to determine whether you're serious or you're talking shit. There is also an established legal concept in the US of "fighting words," which is why no one cares when a scrawny groyper walks up to a giant gorilla, calls him every slur he can think of, and then gets punched.
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I don't know what a groyper is, but if you're saying that nobody cares if a nigger chimps out just because you called him a nigger, then you might be on the wrong forum.
 
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Bog-standard Poster said:
The left were in charge, luckily, nothing happened because the modern left are lazy, incompetent cowards.
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this is blatantly not true. people were constantly being fired for the wrong opinions being held or naughty no no words being said on the internet. the left had an entire chunk of time where they focused on getting advertisers to pull out of campaigns, and until the right-wing did it, this was an extremely effective bullying tactic. now, the right wing is simply enforcing the laws which these degenerate scum have been allowed to ignore for what feels much longer than 4 years.

they were incompetent in some areas, but in the case of insidious DEI policies and otherwise anti-white, anti-male, or anti-heterosexual they have been unbelievably effective. there is now an entire caste of people protected (currently losing that protection) who advocate for childrens' genitalia to be removed purely for the children asking for that. parents losing custody of their own children because they are trying to stop surgical procedures from being done on them that should never be considered in the first place. does that sound like a fair, uninfested justice system to you? one that hasn't already been weaponized effectively?

the lunacy we endure is truly beyond the pale, and because we've gotten so used to the people who peddle it getting away, it can be hard to accept that they're facing consequences for genuinely bad actions at this point. it almost feels unreal to see people calling for the deaths of others with their names and addresses and even faces, and then facing a punishment for doing this because it is, in fact, against the goddamn law. but that's a good thing. we would hold ourselves to this standard, so we should hold them to this standard too, especially while in power.
 
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Bog-standard Poster said:
I can't agree with either of these autistic ideas. I understand fed posting against a fed is a crime, I get that. I just strongly disagree with the internet being real enough to be have an effect on real life. I don't want to see anyone, ever, go to jail for pre-crime, thought-crime or mean words.

It's a slippery slope. Today we're arresting fed posters, tomorrow we're arresting those who question authority. Doesn't the 1A defend free speech?
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Ideally you are correct.
In practice people on the right have already suffered legal consequences for posting memes while leftists suffer nothing for actionable threats.

Being loser principled conservatives like good ol Mitch McConnell will not prevent you from being targeted by leftists. Conservatives are so afraid of making leftists suffer consequences because they think that when the shoe is in the other foot, the leftists will go after them.

Except the leftists will always assail you regardless of your restraint.
 
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KakaSentYa said:
This is exactly it. I would add one thing: because it was founded by Kennedy in the 60s, getting rid of it is another death knell to New Frontier-style governance (big, strategic investments at home and abroad). We had AID for the same reason we had the space program -- idealism mixed with manifest destiny. That mellowed a bit under Nixon etc. and then under Bush I it really became more "new world order" post-Cold War.

Killing AID is a repudiation of how we've been doing things for the past 50 years and going back to something more like Coolidge did in the 1920s, which was awesome as long as you didn't mind the Great Depression.

This is not a revolutionary statement but in my opinion polarization is behind a lot of this. The bureaucracy/"left" has no ability to say "yeah, we got carried away, but the thing you're recommending is deeply ahistorically retarded and perhaps we should not do it" and the tech bros/"right" have no ability to say "yeah, 3 years of experience with JavaScript is not sufficient knowledge to run the world's largest economy, maybe we should ask for help."

And of course, when things blow up (literally or metaphorically), none of those people will suffer. Everyone else will.
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You're right on the money. Your observation about "New Frontier" governance is astute.

If the liberals just admitted that they went too far, apologized, and we restored some common sense to these agencies, things could go back to normal. The problem is the liberals aren't willing to do this, at all, and that means either gutting the agency or accepting that they are going to do it again.
 
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LiquidKid said:
The first one reads like a shit post copy pasta.

Also, I’m genuinely shocked how little any of these people actually know about Hitler and the Nazi party in general. Like, outside of German and “bad guy” they genuinely seem to have no understanding of how Hitler rose to prominence, what Hitler’s ideology was, or what the even what his speeches were like. How these people feel comfortable comparing someone to something they have zero understanding of is beyond me
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They've been told for years that there's little daylight between the platform of the Republican Party and the Nazi Party. So they think they know what Hitler was about. True, if you say "Lebensraum," they're as dumbfounded as if you give them a Putin quote about multiculturalism, but the important thing is they think they know.
 
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Bog-standard Poster said:
It's a slippery slope. Today we're arresting fed posters, tomorrow we're arresting those who question authority. Doesn't the 1A defend free speech?
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fuck your fallacies. I am okay with denying rights to people that want to remove mine. When you try to fuck with my right to say nigger, burn a koran or own a gun you become an enemy combatant. Let them rot in the same cells the Jan 6 protesters were locked in, which redditors cheered.
 
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Bog-standard Poster said:
NOBODY should be arrested for what they type on the internet. Don't give me bollocks fringe examples of "well this one turrurist said he would xyz", like some reddit retard.

Those cheering on the arrest of mean words on the internet should kill themselves. Do you not see how it's 'The Ratchet Effect' in plain view? Lefties had people fired for mean words on twitter, now righties want the same.

If both parties agree on arresting people for mean internet words, what do you think would happen to this forum?

Think! you fucking morons.
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Idk man I’d settle for consistency either way, but good luck with that
 
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