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Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread
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In all honesty, the one thing I kind of genuinely liked about Hazbin and Helluva was the art and fanart. It was actually a nice change from the Family Guy clones and Calarts Steven Universe garbage, minus the faggot trash.
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I don't know. I still found Valentino to be the more pathetic one. His introduction really ruined it for me as it showed him to be a dumb whiny crybaby that acted more like toxic ex with Angel than an actual pimp. Even in episode 4, I didn't find him to be as threatening as they were trying to portray him. I don't know if it was the voice, the fact that the dialogue was cut out from a fetish comic, or that when Valentino was acting like that one guy from the infamous Family Guy abuse episode with no subtly whatsoever. It was all tropey to me. I think it would have been more interesting if the abuse was more in that Valentino fed into Angel Dust's drug habit. Maybe he threatens to cut him off (we kind of see that in the pilot when Angel has to sleep with nobodies so he can buy his drugs), or he uses them as a way to make Angel susceptible to his requests. Though, the show doesn't really delve into Angel's addiction at all.
One thing that I will say that I liked was that don't have Valentino physically abusing Vox like they did in the Instagram posts. I liked that they showed Vox being the one to keep Valentino under control, and that he is actively manipulating Val to get what he wants. Which if it's still canon that he was a cult leader when he was alive, it would make sense. And his powers of being able to hynotize people would fall in line to his background. Though, all that charisma goes down the train when Alastor appears on the scene. I don't mind the idea of him losing control because of Alastor; it just happens way to quickly. Him losing composure should happen slowly instead of right away. And it should definitely not happen in the public eye.
And Velvette is...kind of there. Viv definitely didn't have much of a solid idea for her like the other two, as her initial design showed that she was going to be hyperactive and "quirky" before it got changed to what we see in the actual show. She is an influencer and is in charge of the social media side of things, but she's also a fashion designer and the creator of the love potion (I don't know why Val isn't since that falls under his shtick). I could see her being the kind of person to spread rumors around and stretching the truth, though she doesn't appear to have any powers that reflect that; she can make clothes appears which...okay, I guess. She's definitely undercooked compared to the other Vees. Maybe she'll get more to do in season 2 as we did see her in the leaks, but you know how Viv is with her women characters.
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Velvette probably would’ve worked if she was some cyber bully/e-stalker type (plus works as a reason why someone like her sticks around ppl like vox in the first place), like if your gonna make her have connections to social media you can easily make her the type of person who’d accuse people of horrible shit so she can have more fans (I guess the average e-whore would be what I’m referring too).
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The way he was presented in Vaggie's story of Alastor, how he "appears" and was in light, while the other Overlords were already in place and were shadowed out really suggests that he was the most powerful Overlord there is.
The fact that Viv headcanon Mark Hamill as his voice actor made me think he was going to be Joker if he had Lex Luther levels of influence. His relationship with Alastor was essentially Joker and Batman but instead of a mad man toying with a stoic serious crusader, it's a mad man toying with a joyous smiler.
Alastor is a dark parallel to Charlie, not just the fact that they're both charismatic entertainers who express their thoughts through song. He hates Vox the same way Charlie hated Katie Killjoy for getting under her skin. Vox isn't only modern tech, but he's modern tech that hailed from the early 1900s. Alastor seems to dislike the idea of change, and everyday Hell is changing to a more advanced state with Vox being the literal face behind the scenes through TV and social media (yes, Vox was also the social media Overlord, hence the Instagram parody was originally called Voxtagram, WTF was Velvet's character?) He could be in Vox's shoes, but chooses not to because it goes against the principles of his character of not using technology invented after his death, purposefully limiting his capabilities.
Even though the societal environment of Hell is changing, its inherit nature isn't, which he tells Charlie about when he first arrived at the Hotel. People had their chance on Earth, and now they're stuck in eternal Damnation, doomed to be the bottom of the barrel scums forever. Besides Cannibal Town, it's one of the only things left that Alastor can say will stay the same, which he gleefully embraces. He is always smiling, but you can't tell if that's the emotional mentality he's processing. His confrontation with Vox in his prequel comic shows that even if he's still smiling, he does display different emotions when frustrated, but given how he acts in other places, one would question what he would do to handle that situation.
Alastor is a known deal maker with tremendous power, something he went wild with on his arrival in Hell, but that doesn't seem to be all he is. Nowadays, having power is more of a convenience, as after utilizing it, he moves on to a different subject. Power isn't his entire personality and it's open for interpretation on how he feels if that's what people only see him for, as evident by those demons who ran when he simply said "hello".
When you look past his atrocities, he can be a fun guy to hang around, and you can see why Charlie would willingly want to hang out with him.
Quite the fascinating specimen. Who knows what's his endgame for all of this is, making him all the more unpredictable as Vaggie quoted. Despite not believing in Charlie's cause, he's the best person she could get, similar to how Charlie is the best person Alastor can lean on to fuel what little he has remaining in what he fondly remembers Hell for...
Of course, like Angel, I just described his OG characterization, since series Alastor is also a whiny bitch. He thinks he's the shit, gets proven to not be the shit, and will prove to everyone that he is in fact, the shit, only to be to revealed to be Rosie's shit and soon Vox's shit. Series Vox thinks that would be an accomplishment, but pissing Alastor off is like every Saturday for Pre-series Vox.
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Angel was always my favorite character in the whole show. Especially as voiced by Michael Kovach. Replacing him was the most goddamn idiot move Vivz ever did. Congratulations, destroy the best character in your show. What a stupid bitch.
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It's part of Vivzie's weird philosophy that every villain she makes has to also be silly at times. It works for some characters but doesn't work for others.
Anyway don't want to write any sort of essay, but excited for Vox to buck break Alastor in Season 2.
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To be fair, you can say that to everyone else in the pilot, I think I already mentioned Alastor's voice how it's should have been more static and inconsistent rather then 99% be in radio voice, however the other voice I missed was Husk, as much as I like Keith David, every time he speaks I don't think of him as Husk, I think of him as either, Spawn, Anderson from Mass Effect or The Devil from Tales from the Hood 2.
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I just want one straight male character in one of Viv's shows. Is that too much to ask?
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It seems like all hetero dudes appear once or twice in her shows, then disappear indefinitely, or just die.
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Bro, your Adam?
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Here's something interesting about Velvette; in a early version of Vaggie's tale of Alastor's rise to the top if you put close attention you can notice that in the place she's supposed to be you can instead find an imp:
Compare it with the final version:
My take is that Viv probably felt that there wasn't enough female overlords so she came off with Velvette in order balance the ratios, one thing lead to the other and she ended as the third wheel of the Vees but never really elaborated on her role after that. You could say that the imp was just a placeholder for the time but the early version looked finished and all the other overlords that appear on the pilot and the offical series are there besides the owl guy that becomes a two-head demon in the pilot and the red bird from Helluva for some reason?
This could explain with she's given a song in season 1 despite having zero relevance after that, why she describes herself as the backbone of the Vees but never shows how, her lack of connection to any character in the hotel and why she feels so out of place on the general dynamic between Vox and Val: she's just another case of Viv creating a character as an afterthought with her song as an excuse to showcase her newest OC.
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I also noticed that annoying bird yesman who soyed out at Stolas from Helluva Boss i one of the gifs
unrelated but god these fans are cringeworthy, could Hellverse fans be the lite version of Bronies? (I say lite since Bronies can never be topped, like I don't see Hellverse fans make fucking class presentations to justify their masculinity for liking this)
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Because muh seggsizum. Ironically, she became more sexist by making Velvette just being the girl of the group with no depth and frankly, going by Viv's retarded writing, it might stay that way. Her fault. She said Hazbin would be female-centric, but hardly gives girls character development and bases everything on sexuality and relationships. What would she mean if she made all the overlords male or only had one female overlord that has the redeeming quality of loving her daughters while all the males are nasty assholes?
How Velvette could be the backbone? If Viv had a brain, she'd make Velvette the backbone of the Vs because she is bright, peppy, playful, witty, sassy, and charming, making her a good promoter of their products. Val and Vox have to keep Velvette pleased and pampered because if she gets upset because they didn't let her have her way and leaves, they won't have anyone to publicly spread their stuff in an appealing way. Yes, Velvette can leave because she has her own business empire. She just wanted an up in power and influence so she joined Val and Vox. That way, the three of them practically almost rule Pentagram city.
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Im just amazed that Viv dishes out Als backstory by S2. Like, who does that? You have a guy whos backstory is one of his biggest selling points, yet you dish out that sucker like a huge after thought.
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Thank you all so much for liking my redos it's sort of motivating me to try to make all the sins, maybe someday work on the cast and see what I can do.
So my next attempt is Beelzebub the WORST designed sin the show has ever made.
Horrible colors
For some reason she dresses like she's stuck in 2000-2010s.
Horrible voice acting
Worst song
Doesn't act like her sin and preaches for.. moderation?
Cluttered and confusing
Unnecessary details
Doesn't fit Gluttony
Doesn't resemble an insect but a sparkle dog furry abomination.
Keeping up with the last post speel.
1. Changed the color palette for less eyestrain.
2. Expanded on the bugs as I used several as refrences (Bees, Honeypot Ant, mantis, and flies of course)
3. Her eyes are there Gluttony sign. They do not close or blink and are constantly dilated.
4. Her jaw is hung upon and she drools constantly and her teeth are based on Beelzebubs teeth from his original design as well as the wings. Small extra bug limbs
5. She has 2 sets of palps on her cheeks and her head (which she uses to look more like a hellhound)
6. She sings to attract party goers which encourages them to drink and consume.
7. Her body is very skinny as her stomach is actually in her lower abdomen that has her second mouth (which she actually uses to eat)
8. She eats other demons but mainly her own people. They digest in her abdomen and become Beelzejuice which she collects and feeds to others. She constantly drools out the Beelzejuice.
9. Consuming too much Beelzejuice makes the consumer melt from the inside out, eventually becoming a huge puddle of booze themselves.
10. She has to stay in the Gluttony ring as other sins fear she would devour all of their people.
11. Obviously insatiable hunger.
So far this one is one of my more monstrous versions. I personally would of loved to see something like this in the show. But she doesn't fit the Viv/Kesha standards so she'll just rest here.
So my next attempt is Beelzebub the WORST designed sin the show has ever made.
Horrible colors
For some reason she dresses like she's stuck in 2000-2010s.
Horrible voice acting
Worst song
Doesn't act like her sin and preaches for.. moderation?
Cluttered and confusing
Unnecessary details
Doesn't fit Gluttony
Doesn't resemble an insect but a sparkle dog furry abomination.
Keeping up with the last post speel.
1. Changed the color palette for less eyestrain.
2. Expanded on the bugs as I used several as refrences (Bees, Honeypot Ant, mantis, and flies of course)
3. Her eyes are there Gluttony sign. They do not close or blink and are constantly dilated.
4. Her jaw is hung upon and she drools constantly and her teeth are based on Beelzebubs teeth from his original design as well as the wings. Small extra bug limbs
5. She has 2 sets of palps on her cheeks and her head (which she uses to look more like a hellhound)
6. She sings to attract party goers which encourages them to drink and consume.
7. Her body is very skinny as her stomach is actually in her lower abdomen that has her second mouth (which she actually uses to eat)
8. She eats other demons but mainly her own people. They digest in her abdomen and become Beelzejuice which she collects and feeds to others. She constantly drools out the Beelzejuice.
9. Consuming too much Beelzejuice makes the consumer melt from the inside out, eventually becoming a huge puddle of booze themselves.
10. She has to stay in the Gluttony ring as other sins fear she would devour all of their people.
11. Obviously insatiable hunger.
So far this one is one of my more monstrous versions. I personally would of loved to see something like this in the show. But she doesn't fit the Viv/Kesha standards so she'll just rest here.
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Holy shit this is defintely the best one so far
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Hm, I like it. Id say my question is if Gluttony is a quarantined type zone, it does raise questions how she lures in others with her singing, unlees she like lures in newbies.
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I was thinking it's programmed in the Hellhounds to feed their "mother" regardless of if they really want to or not. So they either feed her newbies or they feed themselves to her like a sacrifice much how like Satan says that he designed Imps to be obedient.
As well as Gluttony being the only place to get fresh Beelzejuice, and in my version it's addictive so it incentives then to come back for more.