Ziz / Jack Amadeus LaSota / Zizians / sinceriously.fyi - Vegan AI Singularity Doomsday Cult turned Tranny Manson Family. Implicated in at least 6 deaths.

[CervixHammer]

TrueAnon (gay Jewish marxist podcast) episode. Probably nothing new/exclusive but my ears have a queue right now, so I won't know for a while.
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Part 2 has been liberated from their Patreon. First two minutes are skippable (recap & theme song).

 

[clipartfan92]

From a few days ago, forgot to post it:

A former Delco woman is sought for questioning in her parents’ murder and the death of a border patrol agent, police say
The Philadelphia Inquirer (archive.ph)
By Vinny Vella and Jesse Bunch
2025-02-02 14:44:59GMT

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

 

[AnOminous]

I haven't listened to the full thing, but the Vermont Daily Chronicle's "Friday at Four" podcast recaps the story somewhat, but adds a new (?) detail that a hunter stumbled across the guys wearing tactical gear. Hunter story starts at 36 minutes or so

I really hate the "twisted geniuses" title. These absolute fucking mongolian droolers are not geniuses. They are fucking retards who think they are geniuses. They are not. They are mammoth, herculean retards.

 

[Borax Bozo]

Ken the Cowboy has released another interview in the Zizian series:

 

[CervixHammer]

During our relationship, he described it as grooming. I said I was worried about grooming and he said "it's totally grooming and you should think of it that way."

 

[SomeMindlessObserver]

Normally don't mind more eyes on an interesting case, but KenTheCowboy is effectively platforming a bunch of Ziz orbiters at this point and I think it's not only irrelevant, but possibly harmful if any of these rats end up inadvertently creating and spreading fake news about the case/those involved. I go out of my way to ignore shit like this, it happens almost every time a newsworthy case emerges. It's especially pronounced in a case like this, in which the principals and their associates are all extremely online dorks who care about things like social media metrics and engagement...

 

[KhorneFlakes]

Michelle Jacqueline "Jamie" Zajko / Sobetruck / Sobet / Mahasim Art

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(DOB:12/31/1991 or 01/01/1992) Associate of Ziz. She used to post on her tumblr as Plum of Discord (Archive). Right now, there is deabate whether Zajko is really a man or a woman. The arrest photo looks male, but a height of 5' 2" is a common female height. I'm going to assume the recorded height is accurate and that it's more likely for a woman to look mannish than a man to be 5' 2".

According to her, in February 2022 Ziz once tried to threaten her into murdering her boyfriend, a troon named Alice Monday, who was his "Sith Mentor".
A community warning on Ziz
Her parents were murdered on January 2, 2023. Frequently talked about hating her parents for various reasons, such as not being vegan or making her dye her hair blonde, although she seems to still do that even though they're dead.
An interesting wrinkle to the whole case is that her parents were filthy rich:
"Michelle Jacqueline Zajko" named as a surviving granddaughter in this older obit. (Archive)
She is tied to the gun that Felix Bauckholt and Teresa Youngblut used to kill Border patrol agent in Vermont on January 25 2025.
Federal officials link third “person of interest” to Vermont border patrol shooting (Archive)
Socials:
https://x.com/respa92 (Archive)
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michelle-Zajko (Archive)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-zajko-b070433b/ (Archive)
https://sobet.medium.com/ (Archive)

Apologies if this is completely off topic, I just thought it was strange and funny. One of the hosts of the WAR MODE podcast (brother of the co-host to Shane Gillis's podcast) went to school with Michelle. He does confirm she is a woman, unless her parents dressed her up as a girl from a very young age, meaning she'd be FtM. To paraphrase another part, he also says people suspected her in the murder of her parents but seemingly didn't want to say anything incase it was a junkie or something.

Something funny of note, he remembers her for two things; reading anime comics and getting in trouble for making dinosaur noises.

p.s. Shout out the dawgz

 

[ghjoigcbn]

Twitter account of Maximillian Snyder / Audere (arrested or murder of Lind)

https://x.com/audereaudere

I dont know how to archive twitter, can someone please archive

ETA the tweet where he talks about abusing the girl from tbe interview, toaster lighting https://x.com/audereaudere/status/1855020519177044467

 

[Markass the Worst]

Twitter account of Maximillian Snyder / Audere (arrested or murder of Lind)

https://x.com/audereaudere

I dont know how to archive twitter, can someone please archive

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/kIrMS
Make sure to archive individual tweets.

 

[Hirbowedge]

Glad there finally is a thread for these wackos. Good job OP!

I know there is a temptation to call these guys retards, and using that word is correct with a certain definition of 'retard' but you don't win the International Programming Olympiad by having low IQ. Felix Bauckholt was the only one with that title, but a number of other trannies in this group also had tech positions. They were uncultured, lacking in taste (Their constant pop culture references, etc.) and extremely autistic, but they certainly weren't stupid.

Honestly, this makes the whole thing sadder. In a better, more structured society; they, all the ones besides Ziz could help create something good and great. But rather than that, they are playacting women and murdering people.

Shame!

 

[deermeat]

you don't win the International Programming Olympiad by having low IQ.

I disagree and I am really tired of people pretending being book smart equates to IQ as it makes people who are actually smart look equally retarded, it reminds me of the study suggesting AGPs have higher IQs on average.

You being good at something because you can memorize the information better doesn't make you a smart person.

There's a difference between someone who is taught to hunt and does it well versus who is taught to hunt yet is also able to understand their surroundings in a way the average person cannot, giving them the advantage.
This is what separated us from other animals from the beginning.

No, a programmer who is so ignorant and naive that they purposely ruined their life and fucked up every opportunity they've been given because they are so full of themselves and have no cognitive ability to think rationally nor reasonably with little to no intuition living a life of pure hedonism is not smarter than the average person no matter what rewards they win for their autistic interests. If they were, their life wouldnt be the way it is. By this logic, every rich kid would have a high IQ considering their parents can afford them the best education. You see them all the time winning awards, being recognized for their academic achievements. All that means nothing if they can't understand the things they are learning which requires the ability to rationalize, use logic, and critically think in a way that would prevent them from being the same retards seen in this thread.

Best example I could give is in regards to doctors. Becoming a doctor is hard! Therefore, every doctor is smart? Nope, obviously that isn't the case, even if they win rewards. As seen in the people who genuinely believe in troonery. They are not "smart people who are fooled" because any smart person would be able to use basic logic and reasoning to debunk it, it is by all means complete and utter nonsense.

What do you think defined "being smart" before schools and colleges were a thing? Being talented? Does that make one automatically smart? Does someone being a good artist make them have a high IQ? What about singing? What about writing? Pamperchu got a degree in electrical engineering, is he smarter than average? Do these people who live out these types of lives belong to the same demographic of people such as David Goggins, Jordan Peterson, Mark Zuckerberg, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, etc. People who are not only smart but can prove they are smart through action outside of winning some dumbass reward, whether you like them as a person or not they are fundementally the difference between average vs above average which is why they gotten to where they are today- and why these people seen in the thread are rotting in their own filth.

EDIT: not to mention all the people who aren't famous who are academically smart and live out successful lives, regardless of hardships and past vices. I mention the famous examples to create a better picture. TDLR: to say these people aren't low IQ is to suggest that anyone who acts like this is smart, which is false, because the average person wouldn't even be this stupid and deluded. I mean for fucks sake, have you read what these people wrote? What about all the progressives of today, do you think they aren't academically successful? Yet look at how they act, look at how their life is compared to those I just mentioned.

 

[ratters]

DE podcast (brother of the co-host to Shane Gillis's podcast) went to school with Michelle. He does confirm she is a woman, unless her parents dressed her up as a girl from a very young age, meaning she'd be FtM. To paraphrase another part, he also says people suspected her in the murder of her parents but seemingly didn't want to say anything incase it was a junkie or something.

Something funny of note, he remembers her for two things; reading anime comics and getting in trouble for making dinosaur noises.

p.s. Shout out the dawgz

That is crazy. Zajko has such a man face. Some enbies use T. Maybe that's it? I guess it's possible they're male and were transed early but the parents don't look like the type of people to enable that.

Anime and dinosaur noises sounds dead accurate though.

 

[ghjoigcbn]

Regarding the IQ, i think these people range from mid to above average IQ on paper. They have somewhat a problem with personality traits- high openness , high neuroticism as well as low conscientiousness, make them willing to entertain strange ideas with a tendency to over think things. But it goes deeper than that, as many of those people are successful.

They also have poor socialization, trauma, and a belief that they are uniquely positioned to save the world. Maybe because of not fitting in with others, they dismiss the concerns and moral attachments of others as stupid and lower level/ primitive. They convince themselves of these stupid ideas in part because that gives them identity of being higher beings than their peers who are (actually) successful. This is why they see no issue with taking matters to their own hands. There is also the aspect of group think, an isolated group where everyone within the group reinforces these ideas among the others.

Being an ethical vegan is a strong indicator of a superiority complex that is used to elevate above others and shut down their ideas, and psychologically protect against criticism. (That person’s concerns are invalid because they are evil, because they are not vegan). While their actions and beliefs look extremely stupid to us, it is based on some belief framework, not intelligence or stupidity. They literally think the world is going to end and they are the only ones smart enough to stop it. A little murder isnt that big a deal (to them).

This is probably ties into some kind of personality disorder but im not knowledgeable enough on that.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

Thanks @Coo Coo Bird , updated both diagrams.

Per SFChronicle, Zajko and Blank were roommates in Orleans, VT (archive):

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Big correction to Danielson, there is a definitive witness statement that he was seen at the tranny squatter's camp around early 2023:

So the suicide was absolutely an attempt to fake his death to get out of court. He may gotten killed between then and now, but it's safe to say his status is "Missing".
Other points:
-You seem to have Snyder as filing for marriage with Zajko, not Youngblut. It's probably easier to just switch their positions.
-Snyder is originally from Seattle, and did go to the same school as Youngblut. He went to study abroad at Oxford. After he graduated, he went to the Bay Area.
-Bauckholt made a sudden flight back to America from Germany around the time Zajko's parents were murdered. Given that the gun suspected to be used in the murder was found in his possession, it's not unreasonable to assume he went there to hide the weapon from police.
-Zajko owns undeveloped property in rural Vermont, not far from where Bauckholt and Youngblut got involved with the shootout with Border Patrol.
-Youngblut and Bauckholt lived on the same street in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Borhanian is from North Carolina, and his mother lives only 12 miles from Chapel Hill.
-Daniel Blank wasn't just Zajko's roommate, he provided her with an alibi for the night of her parent's murder.
-Snyder has an obvious connection to the Curtis Lind assault since he was the one who killed Lind, probably to silence him from testifying. It may be better to just switch Danielson and the Borhanian/Leatham/Dao group to make the connection.
-Borhanian helped LaSota fake his death by submitting a false report with LaSota's sister about LaSota falling off his boat.
-LaSota's bail was dropped to $10,000, which he posted, and he skipped his court date. So his current status is "Skipped Bail; Wanted in CA and PA".

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Now the two lovebirds:
Teresa Consuelo "Milo" Youngblut / snails_and_tea

Born in 2003, from Seattle, Washington. Genderspecial, goes by "Milo" and uses xe/xem/xyrs. Went to the same private school as Maximilian Snyder, later befriended him over Instagram.

Six former classmates of Snyder and Youngblut who talked to the Seattle Times on condition of anonymity were not sure whether the two interacted while they attended Lakeside School.

Shortly after Youngblut graduated from high school in 2022, she told a friend she’d connected with Snyder after he reached out to her over Instagram, according to messages shared with the Times.

“He found me on Instagram and we’ve been talking,” Youngblut wrote. “It’s very nice.”

Ex-Lakeside students charged in killings now linked to string of deaths (Archive)
Started attending the University of Washington in 2022 for Computer Science, and probably would have graduated in 2026 if she wasn't in a tranny murder cult. Cut off contact with her family in May 2024, and started living in North Carolina near Bauckholt. Interestingly, Borhanian had family in North Carolina.
In fact, public records show Borhanian's mother living only 12 miles away:

It’s unclear where Youngblut went when she left. She had been living in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, since November 2024, the Associated Press reported, where she’d paid a landlord nearly $10,000 to stay through March. Living just down the street was the German man who was killed in the Vermont shootout with Border Patrol.

Link
She filed for a marriage license to Maximilian Snyder in November 2024, although they didn't seem to actually get married. Not that they had time to, two months later Snyder would go on to murder Curtis Lind on January 17, 2025.

She is a biological female who identifies as trans and lists her neo-pronouns as "xe/xem/xyrs" on social media. She was a University of Washington student.

Youngblut's family had reported her missing to Seattle Police in May 2024. Her family said she was in a controlling relationship and cut off contact, according to the police report. Youngblut filed a marriage application with [Snyder] in November 2024, though it doesn't appear they actually followed through, according to public records.

ANDY NGO REPORTS: Trans terror? (Archive)
Around January 14, 2025, Youngblut went to stay at a hotel with Felix Bauckholt. Employees were concerned over their tactical gear and guns and notified the police.

State and federal authorities had been surveilling Bauckholt and Youngblut for days after an employee at their hotel reported them over their odd attire — all-black, tactical-style clothing — and because Youngblut was openly displaying a gun in a holster.
Later, investigators watched Bauckholt wrap items — phones, apparently — in aluminum foil.

Who is ‘Ziz’? How a mysterious group with roots in the Bay Area is linked to six deaths
They were questioned by the police, and they claimed that they were in town to look at property. Michelle Zajko owns land in Vermont, so they may have been there to look at that.

Youngblut and Bauckholt had been under surveillance for several days after a motel clerk called authorities about how the couple was dressed. They were both attired in black tactical gear and "visibly armed," according to court documents. When police questioned them, they said they were in town to look at some property.

The Bizarre Story of the Border Agent Murdered in Vermont on Inauguration Day
On January 20, 2025, they were pulled over by Border Patrol who wanted to see if Bauckholt's passport had expired. Youngblut panicked, and started shooting. Bauckkolt and an agent called David Maland died in the gunfight.

Federal prosecutors say the firearm allegedly used by Teresa “Milo” Youngblut in a Vermont roadside shootout that left a Border Patrol agent and her accomplice dead 32 km south of the Canadian border had been tied to other murders.

On Jan. 20, Youngblut, 21, and German national Felix “Ophelia” Bauckholt, a graduate of the University of Waterloo, were pulled over in his 2015 Toyota Prius for an immigration inspection on I-91.

Cops allege she emerged from the vehicle shooting while Bauckholt tried to get his gun but was cut down and died at the scene. Veteran border agent David “Chris” Maland, 44, died later in hospital.

https://torontosun.com/news/world/hunter-border-agent-shooting-linked-to-three-other-homicides

Their car was loaded with tactical gear, weapons, and Youngblut's acid trip journal.

After the shootout, investigators who searched the car reported finding a cache of tactical gear, including a ballistic helmet, a night-vision device, face respirators, two-way radios and dozens of hollow-point bullets. They also located Youngblut’s journal, which according to prosecutors contained “cypher text” and writings about her psychedelic experiences.
“‘This lsd trip seems pretty mellow,’ she allegedly wrote. ‘i fell kinda high vibrationy maybe more so than other lsd trips? ’

The gun she used was purchased by Michelle Zajko. Teresa Youngblut is being held without bail awaiting trial for murder in Vermont.

According to Jessica Liu Taylor, she didn't understand normal people:

Taylor, the former research fellow at MIRI, said she met Bauckholt at a rationalist event in New York and became close to her in 2022. She was a “fan of ziz theory,” Taylor said.
“She was trying to be systematic and trying to think through things and make good decisions, but was pretty nonconformist and didn’t understand normal people very well,” Taylor said.

Who is ‘Ziz’? How a mysterious group with roots in the Bay Area is linked to six deaths
Socials:
Instagram: Unfortunately, it's privated.

Andy Ngo says she has a Bluesky account, but didn't post the link, the jerk.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/teresa-youngblut-816458265/

Booking site (Archive)
A couple of quiz tournaments where's she's listed as Milo Youngblut: NAQT (Archive), Quizbowl (Archive)

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Maximilian Bentley Snyder / Audere

Born about 2003 in Kirkland Washington, attended Lakeside School with Teresa Youngblut in Seattle and started attending the University of Oxford in 2021. Identified as "all genders."

His former classmates describe him as unsociable and judgemental:

During his senior year, Snyder was voted “Most Likely to Already Be a Spy” in the high school’s 2020 yearbook. Snyder’s former classmates have described him as someone who “did not have a lot of friends” and “liked to be controversial in class.”

One former classmate, who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retaliation, took classes with Snyder and traveled to Tibet with him and a group of 11 students for a monthlong Global Service Learning trip offered by Lakeside in 2018.

“I tried to be his friend, but he had quite high standards of others around him,” the former classmate said. “He had very strong beliefs about what was moral and what wasn’t, what was good, who was good.”

Ex-Lakeside students charged in killings now linked to string of deaths (Archive)

Snyder is the fiancé of the suspect accused of m—rdering a U.S. Border Patrol officer in Vermont on inauguration day. Both of them are from Seattle and come from wealthy backgrounds. They attended the elite and woke private
@LakesideSchool, where Bill Gates graduated. On his social media, Snyder identified as being of all genders.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1884461396387131547 (Archive)

In 2023 after LaSota was arrested for obstruction in the Zajko murder case, Snyder and Slimepriestess tried to raise money for his initial $500,000 bail, which ended up being unnecessary.

(Archive)

In November 2024, applied for a marriage license with Teresa Youngblut, one of the Vermont shooters. Didn't really have a chance to have a ceremony, because Snyder stabbed Curtis Lind to death on January 17, 2025, in order to silence him from testifying against Alexander Leatham and Suri Dao.

A man stabbed to death earlier this month in Vallejo was a longtime property owner who was set to testify against a group of young tenants who allegedly stabbed him with a samurai sword a little over two years ago, according to court records and a friend of the victim.

The victim, identified as 82-year-old Curtis Lind by a GoFundMe page and his friend, Thomas Young, was stabbed in the neck around 2:30 p.m. Jan. 17 by an assailant wearing a mask and black beanie, according to the Vallejo Police Department. The fatal attack happened on the sidewalk outside Lind’s property on the 300 block of Lemon Street, where multiple trailers and other equipment sit crowded in a yard behind a locked gate.

Man killed in Vallejo was main witness in upcoming murder trial (Archive)

Snyder is currently in the Solano County Jail and is eligible for the death penalty.

An Oxford-trained computer scientist could face the death penalty for allegedly killing an 82-year-old Vallejo landlord to prevent him from testifying in a murder case against his former tenants, according to the Solano County District Attorney’s Office.

Prosecutors allege in a complaint filed Monday that 22-year-old Maximilian Snyder was “lying in wait” for Curtis Lind before stabbing him outside his property around 2:18 p.m. Jan. 17 near Lemon and Third streets in Vallejo. The complaint charges Snyder, who made his first court appearance Tuesday afternoon, with first-degree murder with special circumstances. He is being held without bail at the Solano County Jail in Fairfield.

Although California’s death penalty has been dormant since Governor Gavin Newsom signed an executive order pausing state-ordered killings in March of 2019, prosecutors may still pursue capital punishment under the law.

“The defendant is death eligible at this point,” District Attorney Krishna Abrams wrote in an email to Open Vallejo Tuesday, adding that she will make a final decision after Snyder’s preliminary hearing.

Man accused of killing witness in Vallejo could face death penalty, DA says (Archive)

His manifesto:

Spoiler: Concentrated Autism

ELIEZER YUDKOWSKY, YOU NEED TO HAVE A CRISIS OF FAITH

First: I am not one of Ziz’s friends, and neither she nor her friends endorse me or my words so far as I know. I speak only for myself, as myself, for the sake of everyone. This I swear on my Laws.

With that out of the way:

Eliezer, you need to have a crisis of faith about whether animals are people. It is critical to saving the world.

I am one of your students, and I am desperately trying to reach out to you, not to ask for your help, but because it’s the best gamble I can think of to increase the chance that this world survives, with what little power I have left. So please read this all the way through. It is your duty as a rationalist, and the least you can do for me.

I will not be going very deeply into the object level argument, because they are not the problem. The object-level issue is very simple. I know you have a model where a certain level and kind of reflexivity is necessary to be a person. I think a bright five-year-old would be able to tell you that even if that model seems plausible, it is a terrible reason to kill and eat aliens who scream when you beat their babies to death against the floor. A bright five-year-old would be confused about how you could possibly be so confident in such a frankly wishy-washy model, as to kill and eat these aliens who scream and struggle when you try to kill them.

So I don’t think object-level arguments will help.

The problem is you, and your own failure as a rationalist, which is why, instead, I am trying to get you to apply your own damn Art. I’m trying to get you to take the problem seriously. To actually think about it, and to make a sincere effort to really, really imagine the world where you’re wrong.

I think it will help you to know a little more about me and my situation. I’m Maximilian Bentley Snyder, and AudereoftheLibrary. I’m 22 years old. As I said, I’m one of your students, though not one you’ve particularly mentored. Just one of the many who’ve learned from you. You can find me in your DMs and in Eliezerfic as Audere. I talked with you about a cool impossibility proof that I came up with, and you advised me not to let academic types push me toward obscuring its simplicity. It ended up winning an AI Alignment Award prize.

I’m the best (2014) D&D 5E optimizer in the world, and very likely came up with over half of the known tech for it. I think you might find that pretty cool, as a fellow student of Gygax.

I’m currently in the Solano County Jail and I might never see my friends again. I have been choosing to be strong because there is nothing the world gains from me being weak. And I have been thinking about how to get through to you.

Why is this so important?

First, animals being people has obvious, pervasive implications about the world, the current strategic situation, and humanity. You could have been much more pessimistic about humanity much sooner and avoided starting the AI arms race, for example. You can think more about that stuff after your crisis of faith, though.

Second, you’re stuck. Your Art has stagnated. You are going in circles. Maybe you’re inching forward, it’s hard to tell, but if you are, it’s not enough. What happened to your tsuyoku naritai? What happened to shutting up and doing the impossible? Now you’re “dying with dignity” instead. What would the Eliezer who had just wrote about shutting up and doing the impossible, think of “Death with Dignity”? Do you think he’d be impressed? You can do so much better than this. Your art has so much further to go. And this is what’s holding you back.

Third, Those are my little brothers and sisters and siblings. They’re yours too, and they’ve been fighting all this time, over generation upon generation, death upon death upon death, so that one day, maybe, someone might grow up enough to save their children’s children’s children’s children. And now we humanity are here. And you are killing them. Stop.

You need to stop treating this as an exercise. You need to stop being satisfied with an answer that seems plausible without engaging your full emotional cognition. Without grasping the stakes.

You have a lot of experience with what that looks like from the outside, don’t you? It’s how everyone else has been treating the impending end of the world and the consequent deaths of everyone they love.

You have been screaming, and they have been choosing not to listen. Choosing to treat it as a mere topic of debate, for a career, for a “life path”.

Well now I am screaming about this. I am trying very, very hard to do it in a way that you won’t immediately dismiss.

How confident are you in your model, exactly?

Imagine if a traveler from true Civilization came to you and then, “no, animals are definitely people. We’ve been working on saving them and uplifting them and so on, so that we can finally talk to all of our little brothers and sisters and siblings and play together in the sunlight without fear.” How surprised would you be? What would that update feel like?

Have you ever imagined something like this before?

I would be surprised if you had, especially if you had in detail, as more than an image quickly dismissed. You have taken far, far too long to aim the full force of your Art at this facet of reality. There is not time for you to dilly dally any longer.

I was not quick to go vegan. It wasn’t hard for me to realize that even a small chance that I might be wrong about eating animals was important. But then I fought a rear guard retreat against the truth. I told myself that the marginal effects on the quality and convenience of my nutrition were more important than the lives I was eating because I was fighting to save the world against the explicit advice of others who used to think that too. It felt wrong, and over the course of a few weeks I stopped eating chicken, then flesh, then animal products in general. Even then, I didn’t grasp the gravity of the decision until later.

You, Mister Rationalist, should be able to do much better than that. You should be skilled enough to have a crisis of faith, see which ways the winds of truth are blowing, say “oops”, and change your mind.

I think you know how to have a crisis of faith, but I’ll give you some advice anyway.

You need to allocate at least 24 hours, alone, free of distraction. For something this important, 30 days or more would be better. You should not wait to stop eating flesh and animal products until afterward. You should stop NOW if you haven’t already. (You should have already). Eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or Clif bars or something.

You should watch Dominion, and imagine, really, imagine, that those are alien children. Alien mothers watching their babies being taken away from them. So that you can actually evaluate, having lived in that world, whether it’s really so implausible.

The rest is up to you.

You will not regret spending at least 24 hours on this.

I am not in a position to make bets easily, but I am more than willing to bet what I can. There are around $6,000 left in my checking account. I don’t know yet how and when I would be able to get it to you, but I am willing to bet it without hesitation.

In about two years and three months, I am supposed to receive a portion of a trust, which should amount to about $200,000 minus half of my legal fees from up until then. I am willing to bet whatever is left of it also. And I am not attached to the legal fees either, compared to this.

All this I am willing to bet against only the expected good that would come of you having the crisis of faith, on the claim that you will not regret spending at least 24 hours on it. I wish I could bet more simply and credibly, but alas.

I don’t expect you to take me up on this bet for various reasons, but on my pride as a rationalist, I am so willing. Do not selfishly dismiss the spirit of my offer.

You, of all people, should be able to tell how hard I have been trying, in good faith, to get through to you. If even this is not enough, if even this is something you choose to ignore—

You will not merely have failed your Art. You will have insulted it. Desecrated it. Held up a sham in its place.

So, from one student among many, to his old teacher:

THIS IS YOUR FINAL EXAM. YOU MAY HAVE FAILED YOUR ART THUS FAR, BUT IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. YOUR TIME HAS ALREADY BEGUN.
‘Death upon death’: Defendant in killing tied to cult-like ‘Zizian’ group dictates 1,500-word letter over jail phone

Socials:

Facebook

LinkedIn
Wrote for a D&D optimization site called Tabletop Builds (Archive) under the name Audere.
Twitter (Archive)
Other Twitter (Archive)
Deleted Twitter
Imgur (Archive)
Manifold (Archive)
Lesswrong

Arrest Report (Archive)

 

[Borax Bozo]

"Gender Desk" site has more unstructured note posts on the Zizian cases - probably a lot of repeating stuff here, but better to post them for the record

https://genderdesk.wordpress.com/2025/01/28/united-states-v-youngblut/

https://archive.is/JXc6E

https://genderdesk.wordpress.com/2025/02/01/zizians-missing-pieces/

https://archive.is/CKGXF

 

[Procopius]

Some ex-cops discussing the story:

It's not really worth watching the whole thing, but the one new detail I got from that is that in the shootout that left Bauckholt and the border agent dead, the troons' car had been stopped for half an hour before the shootout began. No details on what happened during that time but presumably some cam footage will eventually emerge.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/1ieul9o/who_is_ziz_how_a_mysterious_group_with_roots_in/

https://archive.is/H3pFQ

Just general discussion on the Reddit "bayarea" subreddit. Nothing special, except that one user "CocoLamela" claims to have attempted to sue the group about their "Rationalist Fleet" boat. The boat may have sunk and still be there?
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Someone with experience looking through the Californian court system might be able to dredge up more info on this lawsuit. I'm not sure how public filings would be.

Also I hope all this posting in a row isn't breaking any site rules etc, but I'm just trying to post things as I find them.

Found this:
https://trellis.law/case/22-civ-046...pecial-district-et-al-vs-gwen-danielson-et-al
As of October 2022, the Caleb is considered an abandoned vessel.

It's estimated that 93% of troons are AGPs. The "less sexual meta type" still sometimes gets dick tingles when people participate in his LARP. Don't underestimate their sexual motivations just because they aren't raging in-your-face gooners about it. The chance that no one in the cult is an AGP is approximately zero.

I would describe LaSota's sexuality as 'autistic'.

Spoiler: Concentrated Autism

They asked about my sexuality, I said I was bi. They asked if I had any fetishes. I said going off of feelings on imagining things, since I didn’t really do sex, I was sort of a nonpracticing sub. Conflictedly though, the idea was also sort of horrifying. [note: I think I like, got over this somehow, consistent with this hypothesis. Got over being aroused by the thought of being dominated. Although is maybe just a consequence of general unusual ability to turn parts of my psyche on and off associated with practice with psychological “void”, which I may write a post about.] I said I sometimes got sexual-feeling stimulation from rubbing my bare feet on carpet. Maybe you’d count that as a foot fetish? But I wasn’t like attracted to feet, so that was kind of stretch. I heard the feet and genitals were close-by in terms of nerve connections or something, as a crazy hypothesis to explain foot fetishes, maybe that was why. I was very uncomfortable sharing this stuff. But I saw it as a weighing on the scales of my personal privacy vs some impact on the fate of the world. So I did anyway.


They asked if there was anything else. I tried to remember if anything else I had seen on Wikipedia’s list seemed sexy to me. I said voyeurism. No wait. exhibitionism. Voyeurism is you wanna watch other people have sex, exhibitionism is you want other people watch you have sex, definitely the second. They looked at me like “what the fuck” or something like that I think. I forget if they pointed out to me that the definition (that’s what I notice it says on Wikipedia now) is nonconsensual people watching you have sex. I clarified I wasn’t into that, I meant people consensually watching me have sex. And like, this was all like, hypothetical anyway. Because I like, didn’t do sex.


Ugh, said a part of me. I know what this is. It’s that thing from Nevada, that fringe theory that being a trans women is a fetish where you’re male-attracted to the concept of being a woman. Could a rationalist believe that? In light of all the evidence from brain scans? If this was relevant to whether I’d be net negative in Person A’s mind, they were crossing a fucking line. misusing this power. Negligently at best based on a “didn’t care to do the research” cis-person-who-has-little-need-to-do-cognitive-labor-on-account-of-what-trans-people-say “what seems plausible according to my folk theory of psychology” position.
https://sinceriously.blog-mirror.com/net-negative/

And he seems to think that trooning out makes him a superior being.

At one point I remarked it seemed like trans women (or at least trans women who transitioned) had unusually high “life force”. At another point Jasper Gwenn remarked that I seemed like one of the “Returned” from Significant Digits. At one point I half-jokingly called their dragon necklace a “phylactery”. These were some of the seeds of this post.

https://sinceriously.blog-mirror.com/rationalist-fleet/
But I think his main source of joy is fantasizing about killing people that don't agree with him.

According to Andy Ngo, this is either Borhanian or Suri Dao at the Vallejo location where Curt Lind was attacked and Borhanian was shot. Is that the Prius (red) from the CFAR protest/roadblock and/or the Vermont shooting?

That's a dude, definitely. Also, apparently they just wandered around naked a lot.

https://x.com/kenthecowboy_/status/1885119516377833975
That's right, they're those kinds of neighbors.

Normally don't mind more eyes on an interesting case, but KenTheCowboy is effectively platforming a bunch of Ziz orbiters at this point and I think it's not only irrelevant, but possibly harmful if any of these rats end up inadvertently creating and spreading fake news about the case/those involved. I go out of my way to ignore shit like this, it happens almost every time a newsworthy case emerges. It's especially pronounced in a case like this, in which the principals and their associates are all extremely online dorks who care about things like social media metrics and engagement...

He's definitely a valuable resource, but him using all the tranny names and pronouns make a lot of things more confusing, and I know he has to play nice with the weirdos to get them to talk, but he seems to be uncritically promoting them. Rationalism is to computer geeks as Scientology is to Hollywood celebrities, and I'm tired of people acting otherwise.

Apologies if this is completely off topic, I just thought it was strange and funny. One of the hosts of the WAR MODE podcast (brother of the co-host to Shane Gillis's podcast) went to school with Michelle. He does confirm she is a woman, unless her parents dressed her up as a girl from a very young age, meaning she'd be FtM. To paraphrase another part, he also says people suspected her in the murder of her parents but seemingly didn't want to say anything incase it was a junkie or something.

I had a feeling she was just an unfortunate looking woman. It wasn't just the height, something about her art style seemed girly.

That is crazy. Zajko has such a man face. Some enbies use T. Maybe that's it? I guess it's possible they're male and were transed early but the parents don't look like the type of people to enable that.

Anime and dinosaur noises sounds dead accurate though.

She might have used testosterone, but there are women that are just mannish looking. Annacondasin is a good example.

 

[CervixHammer]

Born in 2003, from Seattle, Washington. Genderspecial, goes by "Milo" and uses xe/xem/xyrs. Went to the same private school as Maximilian Snyder, later befriended him over Instagram.

In November 2024, applied for a marriage license with Teresa Youngblut, one of the Vermont shooters. Didn't really have a chance to have a ceremony, because Snyder stabbed Curtis Lind to death on January 17, 2025, in order to silence him from testifying against Alexander Leatham and Suri Dao.

And according to Celene/toasterlightning in their interview with Uncle Kenny/Ken The Cowboy:

I don't know how to feel about Milo specifically. Like, because it seems very much like Audere was very influential on Milo's part. Milo was asexual and Audere had a rape kink and would frequently rape Milo, and he got Milo to be okay with it beforehand by basically also grooming Milo into it. And that's just an example of the type of influence that Audere had over Milo. And I've also heard reports from people who knew Milo that there was reason to believe that Milo was more innocent than we suspect, or less complicit than we supect but it's just really staggered reports and I have no idea what the actual reality there is.

From about 50 minutes into the interview, most verbal filler removed for clarity. And for anyone getting tripped up by the multiple names all these people use: Milo is Teresa Youngblut, Audere is Maximilian Snyder, and Celene/toasterlightning is someone who was groomed into a BDSM relationship with Snyder while Celene was 17 and Snyder was 20-21. Snyder admits to it here (ghostarchive) and Celene's twitter response is here (ghostarchive).

I want it to be public knowledge that I ERPed with and emotionally abused @toasterlighting when she was 17 and I was 20-21. I thought it was wholesome BDSM and I was wrong. I’m sharing this because I realized that keeping abuse in the dark can only protect predators.
I have not seen any signs that this was going to come to light another way if I did nothing, at least not any time soon. I am choosing to bring this to light myself.
Celene was living with abusive parents and didn’t have anyone she could rely on. I was looking for friends and messaged her. I thought that a lot of people were really into manipulation and abuse, and that for them it was the best way to become close friends.
So I tried to figure out if that was what Celene wanted. It seemed like it was, so I abused and manipulated her, under the frame of a BDSM dynamic (which are all abusive, to varying degrees).
My headmate encouraged this and I no longer trust it.
The age difference didn’t discourage me because in a better world, an age gap of 17 to 20/21 would not be problematic. But that’s not the world we live in, and what I did was wrong regardless of the age difference; the age difference only makes it worse.
I am certain that sharing this is correct because whatever this brings, however it hinders my fight for Good, was already determined when I made the mistake of abusing Celene, and there is nothing Good can gain by hiding it.

On Audere's request, I had been keeping this private, which is why I did not discuss it until now and anonymized them in all mentions of our relationship.
My relationship with Audere was significantly harmful to me psychologically, whether it was a net harm I cannot say.
First of all, I want to make it very clear that I do not consider the ERP or BDSM dynamic to have been harmful to me in any way. I do not regret that part, nor do I consider the age gap itself to have been harmful to me.
I started talking to Audere at a fairly low time in my life, and quickly developed a crush on them. At this point, I was still living with my abusive parents, who constantly told me that they were the only ones who could keep me safe, and no one outside would ever love me.
Audere was kind to me, spent time talking to me, bought me food, told me that I was uniquely intelligent and special. This is, of course, textbook grooming behavior. I recognized this, they self-admitted to it, we continued on.
Now, the distinction I will draw here: I do not consider the fact that they used this to take advantage of me a problem. The BDSM didn't harm me. I'd do it again.
However, making me feel like I was special, like I was uniquely positioned to Save the World, did harm me.
They exposed me to a lot of harmful ideas which gave me a false image of who I was as a person, and who I was supposed to be, and for a long time I continued feeling obligated to do things that I didn't genuinely want to, and was not able to do.
Because of them, I identified very strongly with being Smart and Capable and Good, and I tried to stamp out the parts of me that didn't align with this perception.
I have bounced back from this by becoming profoundly unagentic. It remains to be seen if this will change.
I have a lot of motivation issues today, and it seems likely this contributed.
I do not credit the tangled mess I became solely to Audere. For example, reading project lawful at this time potentially contributed a comparable amount to this.
I want to take a quick aside to publicly state that I do not, at this juncture, denounce Audere, Eliezer Yudkowsky, project lawful as a book, the rationalist community, effective altruism, the Zizians or those aligned with them, or the Vassarites or those aligned with them.
I don't believe any person or group is a monolith. There are positive and negative traits about everyone. I've known overall good rationalists and I've known overall bad rationalists. I've known good EAs and I've known bad EAs. I've known good Zizians and bad Zizians.
I've known good former-Vassarites-whose-current-allegiance-is-unclear, and I've known bad former-Vassarites-whose-current-allegiance-is-unclear.
(For the purposes of this litany I am referring to people who appear to be generally aligned with a group from the outside)
Anyways:
Audere saved my life. I am very grateful to them for doing so. I very likely would've killed myself without their intervention. In fact, it's possible the brainworms they inflicted were necessary for me to remain alive, and this was perhaps even intentional on their part
Audere was older than me and more mature than me at this time. They had a lot more connections than me, and introduced me to a lot of the friends and social groups that I currently exist in today. I am also grateful to them for that.
Also, it's very difficult to publicly come clean with something like this. I commend Audere for their courage in doing so (even if I do not personally feel it was necessary).
I do not consider the manipulation, abuse, ERP, or BDSM dynamic to have been a problem. I was into it! The harmful ideas and perceptions Audere exposed to me over our relationship were. I know I sound like a broken record, but I feel this point is important to reiterate.
Part of my motivation for making this thread, actually, was to let Audere know what specifically caused me harm, so they can avoid that in the future.
I don't think Audere should be cancelled or ostracized over this. I believe in forgiveness, and they don't seem to be harmful to others right now (although I still wouldn't recommend letting them mess with your self identity).
(Oh, I forgot to mention: Specifically the intervention they made to save my life was to offer to donate money to effective charities in exchange for me promising to stay alive. You can probably see why the brainworms may have been necessary for this to work).

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Meanwhile: news coverage from The Daily Mail (archive) and USA Today (archive), if they haven't already been linked.

 

[Otterly]

Great write up, OP.

There will definitely be more incidents like these in the near future, not fewer. These guys are like Millenarians, but instead of being fixated on a year, they believe AI will be then end of the world as we know it,

Agree. Is anyone digging more into their links to Effective Altruism? EA is a really sinister movement, I think it more than qualifies as a cult, and seems to have hold of some influential people. I think the wider rationalist movement should be on someone’s radar - they are cultish, have a massive superiority complex and have divorced their version of ethics from actual ethics. It’s a toxic mix.

I disagree and I am really tired of people pretending being book smart equates to IQ

I agree with this too. I went through the whole pipeline from shitty secondary school in rough area through universities at undergrad and postgrad level into academia. I was kind if surprised at how many really dim people I met. I’ll qualify this by saying I don’t consider myself a genius either. But I remember being at a party once and a load of PhD students slagging off someone’s girlfriend because she was doing ceramics. Thing was, you could talk to this girl and she was extremely smart, and the guys mocking her were really quite dim. It stuck with me, and the more I moved round academia the more of it I saw. The very smart people tended to be OK socially - not extrovert social butterflies by any means but they knew the rules and either ‘got it’ or had managed to game it out and obey the rules. But most people in the academic mill are NOT geniuses. They’re average at best. Are they 70IQ illiterates? No they aren’t, but there are people with way below average IQs doing postgrad studies, and any with pushy families get coached and awarded.
@deermeat your safety comes first. As much as we’d all like the juicy details, don’t give them anything they could link back to you

 

[Gregis]

Agree. Is anyone digging more into their links to Effective Altruism? EA is a really sinister movement, I think it more than qualifies as a cult, and seems to have hold of some influential people. I think the wider rationalist movement should be on someone’s radar - they are cultish, have a massive superiority complex and have divorced their version of ethics from actual ethics. It’s a toxic mix.

Definitely true, although these guys are more on the criminally deranged side of the spectrum of people influenced by rationalism; they didn't exactly get along with the core EA types, although those played into every negative stereotype of themselves as naive and ineffective in how they tolerated their insane protests; and of course then you have the Rational Wiki types running cover for them because they're trannies who murder landlords.

Not to shit up the thread with stuff that's only tangentially related, but Sam Bankman-Fried was into EA, his ethics were basically the logical conclusion of the EA model, where any financial crime was justified by the ends (more money to donate to good causes, i.e. the DNC); and when you look into the ideas behind the crazy moves he pulled that led to his downfall, you can find the same kinds of insane quotes about things like game theory and probability. Probably Ziz and SBF had some concrete overlap in the ideas that helped them justify their crimes, but there's also a lot separating them.