Unschooling - We don't need no education.

[Bassomatic]

Sadly I was a victim of getting an education and learning. During my abuse I found I rather enjoy mathematics and have a talent for it.

This leads me to wonder, for the very little adjusted costs of reducing a class room 1 student vs the life time of benefits they will needless draw on (or incarceration/commitment) how much more creating these little time bombs will cost you or I the tax payer.

If you don't learn young, and instill habits and routines, you can't later imho. Aside social stuff etc. I never played music in school. Because I was taught how to learn and practice etc, I may never be good or make a living but I'd know how to learn to play the drums as well as having an education I could afford someone to teach me if I needed/wanted.

At 50 years old maybe I'll have that feeling I just need to start drumming, if these poor kids wanted to some how learn later on, they would be woefully unprepared on the concept of learning it self. Nor will they have any chance of having the support system esp fiscally to do so.

I agree with a lot of time into education itself in my life, it's really hard not to a log these people because it is flat out child abuse.

 

[Overcast]

Even the page this link comes from is rage-inducing. Like why you don't need to teach math or how she doesn't care if her kids are four years bellow grade level.

"Why not have everyone learn music and some people choose to learn math?"

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COUNT MONEY WITH MUSIC YOU SPASTIC.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

"Why not have everyone learn music and some people choose to learn math?"

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COUNT MONEY WITH MUSIC YOU SPASTIC.

Thing is, when I was in High School, 12th grade math was an optional subject.

Not saying what this person expects is absolutely sucking fupid (because it is. Oh so much it is). Just pointing out a little thing from my time within the school system. Not like this complainer knows how it works, that is.

 

[glass_houses]

"Why not have everyone learn music and some people choose to learn math?"

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COUNT MONEY WITH MUSIC YOU SPASTIC.

Music IS mathematics, albeit much more closely aligned with physics rather than accounting. I've met a number of great musicians over the years, some recording and most just extremely talented amateurs, and the vast majority of them have had excellent spatial reasoning ability, and can add and subtract numbers with a good amount of speed and accuracy. Of course not all of them are like that, but IMHO it's much more common than not. A trained classical musician knows a hell of a lot about architecture, air currents, echos, because all this stuff is vital to a good performance. If they don't continually calculate these things, even in the middle of a well rehearsed concert in a venue they know well, they're going to seriously fuck it up. And the musicians with a more modern bent could have likely made decent sparkies, because even when their electronic equipment is brand new, they're continually fiddling and adjusting the things. And they usually have a knack with computers as well, if they're recording in sound studios.

Someone can absolutely be a brilliant musician without formal mathematics, but I guarantee you that they'll know a hell of a lot even if they can't articulate it.

The problem I've seen is that all of the unschoolers have no concept of the way knowledge is built. Pratchett, Cohen and Stewart called it "lies to children" in their book Science of Discworld: a very small child is taught very simple ideas that aren't quite true and factual, but when that lesson is learned and understood, the next lesson is slightly more complex and accurate, and so on and so on. All of the interviews I've seen or read with unschoolers has them looking rather queasy when they're asked how they're going to get into tertiary education, but they all say that all they need to do is read a textbook and they'll be fine. No, they won't be fine. Because they won't be able to read that bloody textbook. The basic concepts and assumed knowledge just won't be there. And if they want to get into tertiary education, they're going to have to start from kindergarten up. They've years ahead of them before they are capable of reading that vital textbook that'll get them into tertiary education. If they want to be a meteorologist, they will basically have to start by learning the colours of a rainbow.

These unschooled children are fucked for life. Well done, parents!

 

[vertexwindi]

Mathematics can be applied to a lot of things. It's just logic.

It wouldn't surprise me that spastics that don't want their kids to be educated don't have a high opinion of it because logic is a foreign concept to them.

 

[Trilby]

Mathematics can be applied to a lot of things. It's just logic.

It wouldn't surprise me that spastics that don't want their kids to be educated don't have a high opinion of it because logic is a foreign concept to them.

I bet.

 

[Bassomatic]

Mathematics can be applied to a lot of things. It's just logic.

It wouldn't surprise me that spastics that don't want their kids to be educated don't have a high opinion of it because logic is a foreign concept to them.

Yes, and not only is it a logical system it's also triggering (feels weird using it correctly now a days) the same part of the brain that learn languages.

Mathematics that are more theory based , such as even basic algebra to learn that is like learning Spanish on how the brain fires.

Myself and others whom struggled with the theory of something like compounding, if you throw out what you think you know about it and how bad you are at it, and look at it as building a sentence, it falls right into place.

I've said before and probably will again in this thread I have oodles of gripes with public schools and how some subjects are not only taught but approached. Going to at least Algebra and touching in things like Trig, should be mandatory because how it lets your mind learn new ways to think.

I'll be honest 95% of people really won't need it and even for some more STEM based college majors you'll surpass your "need" if you high track in HS. But, it's wrapping your head around what to do, more so than knowing how to deal with things.

I don't mean to hyperbole the idea of not sending your child to school, as the same to sexual abuse but I think they follow the same warped mind set. He's so happy he plays Xbox all day. Blow jobs feel great so this 6 year old will totes love it. Clearly they are both insanely incorrect and more about pleasing the adult than the kid under a guise of "doing right".

I guess, if you fuck your kid with out a text book, or condom they are gonna end up damaged.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

http://education.penelopetrunk.com/2016/04/27/5-reasons-you-shouldnt-teach-your-kids-spelling/

For shits and giggles, let's break down these five "reasons" denying your kids to basic spelling education is apparently a good idea. I'm gonna minimize any editorializing so I can present these points as accurately as possible.

1) Children learn to write better without worry about spelling
The author claims writing is about "finding your voice" and a focus on spelling hinders that. Apparently, when you learn to spell before learning to write, you disrupt your natural writing prose. Personally I think learning to spell enhances your cadence becuz then tha reeder izn't boged down wiff parsing owt wat yer trieing too sey.

2) Proper spelling no longer signifies education.
Yeah, I had the exact same reaction you most likely just had. The author's reasoning is with the advent of spell-check in word processors and IM services you can't really tell if someone knew how to spell or not. Implicitly, the writer just used spell-check to fix his spelling errors and therefore you can't automatically assume he does or doesn't know how to spell. The author also claims "educated people who don’t bother to use spellcheck could send more misspelled words than someone who is uneducated."

3) Focus on spelling encourages perfectionism
The author's reasoning is exactly that. They state focusing on spelling develops perfectionist tendencies in children, and then cites a linking perfectionism with depression.

4) English spelling is irrelevant in the internet world
Apparently, as the Internet allows users to transcend international barriers proper spelling of English loses relevancy. Interestingly enough, the author's examples is how their own children picked up several foreign English colloquialisms (like the British/Australian use of the word "mate") from using the Internet. Ultimately their argument is interconnectivity reduces the need to spell American English words properly.

5) It's not the spelling, it's the content
The author cites several 18th century American women's diaries, stating the women who wrote them did not care about spelling and instead focused on what they said. I would like to point out this is factually wrong. Historically, people who are educated enough to write also tried to spell correctly as possible because their education taught them it was important. See point 1 for why content is affected by spelling.

Also here's the first comment on the article:

I find my 6-year-old son has been learning to read and spell from watching Youtube videos, mainly minecraft and some other real or fake videos. He get some reading and writing/spelling homework from school, and the school recommends we spend 10 minutes each night reading and a few more minutes learning how to spell the words. I have to confess that I never bothered. And it’s reassuring to know from you, that I don’t need to

 

[DespotCTM]

For shits and giggles, let's break down these five "reasons" denying your kids to basic spelling education is apparently a good idea. I'm gonna minimize any editorializing so I can present these points as accurately as possible.

1) Children learn to write better without worry about spelling
The author claims writing is about "finding your voice" and a focus on spelling hinders that. Apparently, when you learn to spell before learning to write, you disrupt your natural writing prose. Personally I think learning to spell enhances your cadence becuz then tha reeder izn't boged down wiff parsing owt wat yer trieing too sey.

2) Proper spelling no longer signifies education.
Yeah, I had the exact same reaction you most likely just had. The author's reasoning is with the advent of spell-check in word processors and IM services you can't really tell if someone knew how to spell or not. Implicitly, the writer just used spell-check to fix his spelling errors and therefore you can't automatically assume he does or doesn't know how to spell. The author also claims "educated people who don’t bother to use spellcheck could send more misspelled words than someone who is uneducated."

3) Focus on spelling encourages perfectionism
The author's reasoning is exactly that. They state focusing on spelling develops perfectionist tendencies in children, and then cites a linking perfectionism with depression.

4) English spelling is irrelevant in the internet world
Apparently, as the Internet allows users to transcend international barriers proper spelling of English loses relevancy. Interestingly enough, the author's examples is how their own children picked up several foreign English colloquialisms (like the British/Australian use of the word "mate") from using the Internet. Ultimately their argument is interconnectivity reduces the need to spell American English words properly.

5) It's not the spelling, it's the content
The author cites several 18th century American women's diaries, stating the women who wrote them did not care about spelling and instead focused on what they said. I would like to point out this is factually wrong. Historically, people who are educated enough to write also tried to spell correctly as possible because their education taught them it was important. See point 1 for why content is affected by spelling.

Also here's the first comment on the article:

Pff educating your kids? That is sooo last century, learning from other ten years olds on minecraft youtubey is all they'll ever need!

 

[Bugaboo]

If you're an adult and you can't spell properly it makes you look like a tard and no one will take you seriously
Also poor spelling is a running trend in trailer trash, do you really want to have your kid grow up to be trailer trash (unless you yourself are trailed trash, in that case even if the kid can spell it's likely they'll grow into trailer trash anyway)

 

[glass_houses]

Yes, and not only is it a logical system it's also triggering (feels weird using it correctly now a days) the same part of the brain that learn languages.

Mathematics that are more theory based , such as even basic algebra to learn that is like learning Spanish on how the brain fires.

Myself and others whom struggled with the theory of something like compounding, if you throw out what you think you know about it and how bad you are at it, and look at it as building a sentence, it falls right into place.

I've said before and probably will again in this thread I have oodles of gripes with public schools and how some subjects are not only taught but approached. Going to at least Algebra and touching in things like Trig, should be mandatory because how it lets your mind learn new ways to think.

I'll be honest 95% of people really won't need it and even for some more STEM based college majors you'll surpass your "need" if you high track in HS. But, it's wrapping your head around what to do, more so than knowing how to deal with things.

Heh. Reminds me of the first week I started my Diploma in environmental science. My fellow class members and I were sitting in our first mathematics class, and the teacher was running through the course content. And then one of pointed out that we were studying for careers where we really did need to know how to calculate the height of a bloody tree. We all groaned, except for the teacher, who had this huge shit eating grin all over his face.

Mind you, that was just exasperating. The introduction to microbiology was downright traumatic. The teacher there walked in, introduced himself, and then announced that he was going to make sure that none of us would never, ever want to drink strawberry milk again, the bastard. He was wrong. I am able to drink strawberry milk. Took me ten fucking years to get over it, but I can drink strawberry milk again. It did help prepare me for the future though: talking shop with food laboratory technicians can be educational in all the wrong ways. Let's just say that it's a good thing I'm not a great fan of McDonald's in general and their chocolate sauce in particular...

 

[vertexwindi]

I know a job coach with dyslexia. Even though she works in a field where spelling is important (because, you know, they'll throw your client's application into the trash if they can't spell worth a shit), she tries her best to spell everything correctly and I honestly wouldn't have noticed if she didn't point it out to me.

That's pretty neat, I thought.

 

[UptownRuckus]

This kind of shit makes me boil...
I was homeschooled and graduated at college level work because I worked my ass off to learn to pass off high grade work. To be honest I don't know why I didn't go to normal school but my parents made an effort to make sure (despite the slight anti-social environment) I got schooling and had a life outside the house. These moms and dads who do this unschooling scare me...

 

[Cryin RN]

Someone linked http://www.blessedlittleblog.com/ earlier in this thread and just, good find. It's such a great read! Based farm lady bringing the dox vs. illiterate hillbillies - that's entertainment.

 

[ICametoLurk]

SCHOOLING AND DISCIPLINE IS LITERALLY HITLER.
http://sandradodd.com/hitler

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

SCHOOLING AND DISCIPLINE IS LITERALLY HITLER.
http://sandradodd.com/hitler

I don't get it. Is her point the public school system created Hitler? Because that system also created the men who dragged his army's ass halfway across Europe.

 

[glass_houses]

SCHOOLING AND DISCIPLINE IS LITERALLY HITLER.
http://sandradodd.com/hitler

Heh. I've been thinking lately that an icon rating for drama and hysteria wouldn't go astray. One of those Hitler moustache cats for idiots who can't tell the difference between mass murder and some authority figure they don't like. Swear to god, these twits are turning me conservative.

 

[Bassomatic]

SCHOOLING AND DISCIPLINE IS LITERALLY HITLER.
http://sandradodd.com/hitler

What's the over under she's is for socialized programs that she can get free shit off?

I've seen in comedic effect Hitler used about accepting anyone to any college... but this... this is a special kind of stupid. Well the bright side her kid won't know who Hitler is other than that bad man who went to public school.

 

[Antipathy]

What's the over under she's is for socialized programs that she can get free shit off?

I've seen in comedic effect Hitler used about accepting anyone to any college... but this... this is a special kind of stupid. Well the bright side her kid won't know who Hitler is other than that bad man who went to public school.

Hitler was rejected from an art school. These children will never go to school. Therefore, they can't become Hitler.

THIS IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE

 

[Vault Boy]

The thought of parents actively sabotaging their children's development and education really pisses me off.

Are they lazy, too coddling, or do they just have contempt for their own flesh & blood?