Depends on the century and culture. This topic was discussed as early as 7th century and at times. Sometimes it was not forbidden, sometimes it was. The topic of Masturbation was never discussed in Quran so at this point you can only rely on logic and principles. this is why it was discussed. Both Hanbal and Hanifa allowed it only if it was to prevent adultary or other sexual deviancies. Others regarded it as directly sinful. Even if the dominant belief at a specific century disallowed it, as far as i know no one was, or can be punished for it. You can at most condemn them. ame with Christianity, where the church fathers believed it was sinful, but there was no punishment.
That's why you have the hadiths and shit to manipulate it however you want.
The islamic world is very well known for its porn consumption and even if some governments take a hard stance, that shit ain't working on the common village imam terroritory level.
This is plain wrong. The interpretations are as old as Islam. Because Qoran is a limited book. Never talk about everything. The notion that it cannot have multiple interpretation is only in some traditions. Kalam schools were always there. Sİmilar to other religions. There is no verse for Cloning in the tastement so you must interpate it. Only Protestant chuch is advocates for only reading bible and only using bible as "intended". the need for interpretation is required, and allowed because of variety of reasons.
It's plain right. You're conflating the ideal with reality. The koran is specifically pushed as a clear book understandable by anyone. Bar that you have to know arabic. Bar that the koran's arabic is shit. Bar that there are many versions of the koran. Bar that it is written in the most gibberish way possible.
The statement that it is supposed to be clear does not correspond to the reality that it is not, that is my point.
Maybe it is gibberish, maybe it is not.
It absolutely is. I challenge anyone to go find an online koran, read ANY random page and tell yourself it is coherent.
a thing an be clear yet also require interpretation.
No. A thing can be clearly written with unlcera meaning, but the koran is just plain giberish nonsense. There is no debate here.
Most laws work like that.
No, they don't. Most laws are extremely specific because they have to be clearly understood and their logic followed. The koran is, as stated many times now, just plain gibberish. This is not a reader's criticism, this is just plain stylistic fact.
because they dictate principle, not specifics.
My bro. Laws are SPECIFICALLY written to be specific. You're talking about constitutional law that is above any specific laws overseen by parliament and ministries. In islam it's the reverse, the hadiths and sunnas and local delegation take primarity and rule as they wish as long as they can limit themselves to the koran's gibberish, which is extremely easy to do. Here in the West, each nation's constitution takes prime law over regular law, but you have to go to court to establish it. You can't do that in islam just because how loose law is and how shit are the shcools of jureprudence with arhaic rules established centuries ago regardless of the koran, which by your own definition does not talk about cloning and shit.
you can talk more about it with a lawyer. Predetermination thing is also in Christianity as well and like all religions. Evil, Freedom, Destiny, Metaphysics etc was discussed by schoolars.
In Christianity, bar a calvinism, predestination is very limited and free will is a cornerstone. In islam there is no free will. Every single thing that has ever been is completely dictated by Allah. Nothing is free, all the mainstream muslim groups agree to this.
Again in 7th century the belief was even jihad would not allow you to go to heaven and an infidel with good heart can go to heaven. Can we also talk about those same rules in christianity or in any other religion?
Then good luck telling your courts that the sirrah sometime don't count and Muhammad was either a liar or islamic shcolarship sucks.
It is absolutely a valdi belief today that only jihad is a guarantee to heaven.
The only Christian rule aboout going to heave is that it is given by grace through Christ and you cannot attain it no matter how hard you try. That is the core of having a personal relationship with God, something that all mainline Christian denominations agree with as well.
Mut'ah nikah is older than islam, and is only allowed in Shia sects, and not in all of them. It is an abhorant thing that lowers the sacredness of marriage. That shit is indeed crazy and i wish this type of "marriages" are disallowed in the future.
Absolute bullshit. Sunis abuse mutah all the time in the west, let alone in their homelands as well. Aying it's a shia thing is just a suni cope.
I only pointed out that the sentence about masturbation from a muslim person that by all means should not be there, is not something that would not been said by a muslim.
Since no single muslim would wither agree or disagree, it's about how you weasel yourself out of it. That way anything can be legal, including porn.
From the context of the screenshot, if he says masturbation is preferable to adultary or rape, he is right. I am not here to talk about Islam.
My bro. I will repeat. If you can bullshit your law because of whatever school of juresprudence you want, because the koran is gibberish, ANYTHING is legal as long as you are clever enough.
It shares similarities to other religions in how it developed or created. It has some specifics to it that allow us to differ it. Some of it is good, some of is bad and some of it is horrible.
Islam is the LEAST understood religion solely because of its tendency for violence and blind faith. No other religion is as violent and anti academic study as islam.
Values of modernity, collective intellect and spirit of humanity is what we should all be guided by, but culture is a thread that binds us to history. I can be an atheist in Europe but as long as my name is Islamic, i am muslim. Even if that is not the case, from the first moment i have opened my eyes to today i have been developed and influanced by a tradition that was influanced and evolved by Islam. the most i can do is to accept it. If someone wants to discuss the specifict of religion, i invite them to my Dm's or to another topic. What i said was only to explain something about the game and nothing else. i would prefer it to be that way. Let us focus to the game.
I didn't finish reading this bullshit. Islam is as modest and lovey dovey peaceful as the rocks in my backyard are cookies and every muslim who says this should go to Speacker's Corner late at night, say louldy that they believe in Jesus the Messiah and then pick their teeth off the grass.