I don't know what the modernist muslim is talking about, I do know he'd have his head split open if he'd say that shit in a group of devout muslims tho
Depends on the century and culture. This topic was discussed as early as 7th century and at times. Sometimes it was not forbidden, sometimes it was. The topic of Masturbation was never discussed in Quran so at this point you can only rely on logic and principles. this is why it was discussed. Both Hanbal and Hanifa allowed it only if it was to prevent adultary or other sexual deviancies. Others regarded it as directly sinful. Even if the dominant belief at a specific century disallowed it, as far as i know no one was, or can be punished for it. You can at most condemn them. ame with Christianity, where the church fathers believed it was sinful, but there was no punishment.
Traditional islam, by definition, cannot have multiple interpretations.
This is plain wrong. The interpretations are as old as Islam. Because Qoran is a limited book. Never talk about everything. The notion that it cannot have multiple interpretation is only in some traditions. Kalam schools were always there. Sİmilar to other religions. There is no verse for Cloning in the tastement so you must interpate it. Only Protestant chuch is advocates for only reading bible and only using bible as "intended". the need for interpretation is required, and allowed because of variety of reasons.
Not that it doesn't and there's no warfare between muslims about it, but it is supposed to be cut and clear for any retard to undersand.
Yes, you are right.
It isn't, the koran is a pile of gibberish nonsense that nobody could understand, but it's supposed to be. Go figure. Allah also forgives shit at random and no muslim can ever attain forgivenes, islam is a predeterministic belief where nobody has free will.
Maybe it is gibberish, maybe it is not. a thing an be clear yet also require interpretation. Most laws work like that. because they dictate principle, not specifics. you can talk more about it with a lawyer. Predetermination thing is also in Christianity as well and like all religions. Evil, Freedom, Destiny, Metaphysics etc was discussed by schoolars.
The only sure way to get to heaven is through death in jihad, nothing else really matters. Islam talks a lot about the right way to live, but that shit is so random that you can't live out a coherent life with the myriad of rules islam puts on you from washing your ass to raping your wife.
Again in 7th century the belief was even jihad would not allow you to go to heaven and an infidel with good heart can go to heaven. Can we also talk about those same rules in christianity or in any other religion?
As for jacking off in islam, it basically allowed, as is marital rape, as is any rape for that matter, if the woman is not covered properly or if you sign a 15 minute marriage paper at the local mosque. Shit's crazy.
Mut'ah nikah is older than islam, and is only allowed in Shia sects, and not in all of them. It is an abhorant thing that lowers the sacredness of marriage. That shit is indeed crazy and i wish this type of "marriages" are disallowed in the future.
I only pointed out that the sentence about masturbation from a muslim person that by all means should not be there, is not something that would not been said by a muslim. From the context of the screenshot, if he says masturbation is preferable to adultary or rape, he is right. I am not here to talk about Islam. It shares similarities to other religions in how it developed or created. It has some specifics to it that allow us to differ it. Some of it is good, some of is bad and some of it is horrible. Values of modernity, collective intellect and spirit of humanity is what we should all be guided by, but culture is a thread that binds us to history. I can be an atheist in Europe but as long as my name is Islamic, i am muslim. Even if that is not the case, from the first moment i have opened my eyes to today i have been developed and influanced by a tradition that was influanced and evolved by Islam. the most i can do is to accept it. If someone wants to discuss the specifict of religion, i invite them to my Dm's or to another topic. What i said was only to explain something about the game and nothing else. i would prefer it to be that way. Let us focus to the game.