Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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in the case of the fan artists, at least, all I can say now about @Herbhrt West is she knows about this story and likes it enough to use as a kiwisona.)
Full disclosure: I thought the name was a funny pun given all the discussion of "Lovecraftian horrors" around here, and especially so if I could pair it with a picture of someone holding a glowing syringe. I've never seen the movie adaptation.
Wait you browsed this forum during your prep stages and you still went through with it?
Bloody idiot. You were warned,
Yup, sure did. There's a lot of good archival work being done in this thread, but none of it changed my mind regarding the procedure I had done. It has, on the other hand, made me think long and hard about what my next steps might be.
 
Full disclosure: I thought the name was a funny pun given all the discussion of "Lovecraftian horrors" around here, and especially so if I could pair it with a picture of someone holding a glowing syringe. I've never seen the movie adaptation.

Yup, sure did. There's a lot of good archival work being done in this thread, but none of it changed my mind regarding the procedure I had done. It has, on the other hand, made me think long and hard about what my next steps might be.
Pics or it didn't happen.
 
Yup, sure did. There's a lot of good archival work being done in this thread, but none of it changed my mind regarding the procedure I had done. It has, on the other hand, made me think long and hard about what my next steps might be.
this may be me trying to poke at a lost cause, and trying to believe the best in people, but really, i pity you. you've been mutilated, and you're fine with that? one day, you're going to look back at what could have been for you, and you're going to weep and mourn what you've lost.

for your sake, don't continue. take a pause. look past the fact that everyone on this site is a touch retarded at points, and actually listen to what we're trying to tell you. over 1600 pages?? and it still hasn't sunk in that this is harmful?? that you will deal with horrifying medical complications and sheer lack of care? how much evidence do you want that these are not legitimate operations? re-evaluate your priorities. focus on making your life as good as it can be, financially, mentally, socially, religiously. wake up, dude.
 
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Not sure if these particular Fistulissa posts have been posted but:
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Of particular interest is this one:
I don't think I can meaningfully "regret" taking the risk I needed to take in order to be able to live with my body. I certainly regret the malpractice that's been inflicted on me; I regret drawing the short straw; but I also never really had another choice.
Absolutely "needed" to have the surgery, no choice in the matter. Gambled on his life. No regrets!

Definitely not a cult, guys.
 
this may be me trying to poke at a lost cause, and trying to believe the best in people, but really, i pity you. you've been mutilated, and you're fine with that? one day, you're going to look back at what could have been for you, and you're going to weep and mourn what you've lost.

for your sake, don't continue. take a pause. look past the fact that everyone on this site is a touch retarded at points, and actually listen to what we're trying to tell you. over 1600 pages?? and it still hasn't sunk in that this is harmful?? that you will deal with horrifying medical complications and sheer lack of care? how much evidence do you want that these are not legitimate operations? re-evaluate your priorities. focus on making your life as good as it can be, financially, mentally, socially, religiously. wake up, dude.
What would it take for a brainwashed cult member to change? For trannies that means they have to feel the pain and suffering that comes with being mutilated. Only then will they realize that they have been fooled and fooled themselves. There is no other way it seems. Once the genital butcher's knife cut their dick & balls into bloody pieces and they smell the stench, have to stick plastic rod up their man-holes, feel the pain (if they even can feel anything) and so on...only then is there a chance that the tranny will finally start to use his brain. But for this to happen their insane gender fantasies have to be destroyed.

tl:dr the tranny has to cut his dick off to change his opinion.
 
What would it take for a brainwashed cult member to change? ...

tl:dr the tranny has to cut his dick off to change his opinion.
i tend to remember the B.I.T.E model. 9/10 they're traumatised, mentally unwell. aggression and saying it in a sense of 'LMAOOOO YOU'RE GNA 41% KYS YOUR HOLES ARE GOING TO LEAK SLUDGE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE LMAOOOOOOO' at a group of people that are already enamoured with a persecution fantasy does nothing. there is a way back from all of this without it ending up in the worst way possible for all involved, and a lot of these people have been taken advantage of to try and get some sort of social cohesion and community - it is a cult. so to treat it like one in how you deal with deprogramming from one is the best way of handling it. we need to have at least some empathy for those who have been hurt by this and are looking for a way out, or who can question their beliefs healthily before playing Operation with their genitals.

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Leeches are still used in a clinical setting? Thought they had been phased out entirely by now in favor of debridement and (more rarely) maggots. TIL
They use them after traumatic amputation to encourage blood flow to resume when they reattach whatever got cut off. Leeches use some natural anticoagulant to keep their dinner flowing thats less risky than the chemical anticoagulants doctors could otherwise use because it only acts locally so doesn't have the same risks of internal bleeding.
It sounds medieval, (and is in a way) but its still one of the best way to do the job they're used for. I think they're bred in a tank in the hospital though, rather than sending Baldrick out to wade in the moat with no shoes on.
Full disclosure: I thought the name was a funny pun given all the discussion of "Lovecraftian horrors" around here, and especially so if I could pair it with a picture of someone holding a glowing syringe. I've never seen the movie adaptation.

Yup, sure did. There's a lot of good archival work being done in this thread, but none of it changed my mind regarding the procedure I had done. It has, on the other hand, made me think long and hard about what my next steps might be.
The movie version is well worth a watch. Not as good as Lovecrafts story but it's a cult classic for a reason.

So what type of 'dog did you go for?
RFF?
Stomach Tentacle?
Or are you a Metroid clit owner?

Not trying to be mean, genuinely curious, how can you read this thread and see what happened to girls like Gruffin and still want to do something like that?
 
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I’m gonna guess hysterectomy, raising your chances of getting dementia prematurely is horrifying but there aren’t too many photos of that going around. I am, perhaps, being an optimist that 1628 pages of gore and pain and misery could convince a person who read them all that maybe an armhole/rotdog/top surgery isn’t a bright idea but who knows.
 
They use them after traumatic amputation to encourage blood flow to resume when they reattach whatever got cut off. Leeches use some natural anticoagulant to keep their dinner flowing thats less risky than the chemical anticoagulants doctors could otherwise use because it only acts locally so doesn't have the same risks of internal bleeding.
It sounds medieval, (and is in a way) but its still one of the best way to do the job they're used for. I think they're bred in a tank in the hospital though, rather than sending Baldrick out to wade in the moat with no shoes on.

The movie version is well worth a watch. Not as good as Lovecrafts story but it's a cult classic for a reason.

So what type of 'dog did you go for?
RFF?
Stomach Tentacle?
Or are you a Metroid clit owner?

Not trying to be mean, genuinely curious, how can you read this thread and see what happened to girls like Gruffin and still want to do something like that?
Probably mastectomy.
 
Yup, sure did. There's a lot of good archival work being done in this thread, but none of it changed my mind regarding the procedure I had done.
Its called "the call of the void". Like when you stand on a tall building and that thought of what it would feel like to jump, passes through your mind.
The thing is, NOT to do it fren. Seeing all the horrors, knowing the outcomes and how small a chance of a great result you have and still doing it... I have no words. Normally Id advice buying an emergency rope but I actually pity you. You have entered the void. Youll never be fully right again and that is a shame.
 
Probably mastectomy.
That was my guess actually. Hopefully its just the tit chop. Its bad enough women cutting healthy tits off because they got indoctrinated into a perverse Cult but its not as damaging as genital mutilation or as risky. If the Pooner comes to their senses you can reconstruct after a mastectomy, but the 'dogs are horrific and sometimes come with fatal complications, and those Hyena Metroid clits are just a disgusting example of FGM and should be banned if current FGM laws were enforced properly.

On the one hand I have nothing but contempt for Troons and Pooners, on the other its rough to see a young girl brainwashed into butchering herself for a LARP.
 
Not sure if these particular Fistulissa posts have been posted but:
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Of particular interest is this one:

Absolutely "needed" to have the surgery, no choice in the matter. Gambled on his life. No regrets!

Definitely not a cult, guys.
This may be TMI but I briefly considered getting LASIK, then I learned about the unethical doctors who approve people who aren’t good candidates just to make a quick buck and I read the admittedly rare horror stories and couldn’t go through with it. It’s one thing to have a botched necessary surgery, but having an optional surgery go wrong and living with the fact that you’ve fucked your body up for no good reason? One of my worst nightmares, next to being careless and ending up paralyzed. That and the pooner who had a stroke and developed locked-in syndrome, one of the worst fates imaginable, all over a body mod fad. Dear god.
 
Why does this pooner still have cleavage wrinkles?
The chest hair enhances the appearance of the "cleavage", as does the scarring beneath.
It’s the ol’ “that won’t happen to me! I’m not like those other people!” fallacy, I guess. And also “play stupid games, win stupid prizes.” Only this one comes with a biohazard warning.
The really troon (or poon!) brained thing to do would be to read this thread with some expectation that if you just prepared really well nothing could go wrong with phalloplasty, when there's so many examples of SRS recipients having shit go wrong for (mostly) unforeseeable reasons beyond the patient’s control rly. Random blood clots thrown weeks after surgery that kills the flap, the surgical oopsie that gave fistulissa his fistula, etc.

I'll preface this that I am well aware I'm quite possibly retarded. Despite my time spent in this thread and deliberate searching for Fistulissa, I've not been able to track down actual images of their less-than-euphoric butchery. I see many references to their legendary anatomy, but I cannot find the initial lore.
I don’t think Lissa ever posted photographs of his amhole. He just talks exhaustively and in real time about all the bad shit going down w it.
this may be me trying to poke at a lost cause, and trying to believe the best in people, but really, i pity you. you've been mutilated, and you're fine with that? one day, you're going to look back at what could have been for you, and you're going to weep and mourn what you've lost.

for your sake, don't continue. take a pause. look past the fact that everyone on this site is a touch retarded at points, and actually listen to what we're trying to tell you. over 1600 pages?? and it still hasn't sunk in that this is harmful?? that you will deal with horrifying medical complications and sheer lack of care? how much evidence do you want that these are not legitimate operations? re-evaluate your priorities. focus on making your life as good as it can be, financially, mentally, socially, religiously. wake up, dude.
Let’s give Herbhrt the benefit of the doubt and maybe they went through w some procedure more normal (or at least, less experimental) like a mastectomy or a BA. And they were considering bottom surgery too but this thread is making them reconsider that, because the collected data here shows again and again that the results aren’t good, they aren’t functional, and they have a decent shot at killing you by causing life limiting complications like Gruffin’s kidney failure or bringing you down to a new benchmark of miserable a la Fistulissa.

And so maybe Herbhrt is an example of people waking up and smelling the coffee on SRS and its risks. :)
 
In an effort to maintain that this thread is an archival source of dreadful troon surgeries, let's take a look at some metoidioplasties.

UKmetaNewVic (Dr. Lee in the UK; metoidioplasty)
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designerdicky (Dr. Özer; extended metoidioplasty without vaginectomy and urethral lengthening)
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And for an update: last time we saw AtmosphereNo8359, she was boohooing over her ugly rotdog. Here are some previous appearances in the thread: Post 1 | Post 2 | Post 3
So how are things going for our girl? Well... things have not improved. It's a long one, so I highlighted the funny parts. (Dr. Miro; MLD phalloplasty)
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My negative-ish experience with MLD and Miro

I think I might be in the 1% of regretters. This has been a long time coming, as I’ve realised I might be feeling even more dysphoric post phallo than pre it. I wrote this a few days ago in a very negative matter, but have since changed some things as to how I feel while I’m not very in my head about it.
While recovering from stage 2, I kept questioning whether I regret it. I couldn’t get it out of my head. But I thought to myself, I just need to finish the surgeries and get an ED. I think that’s the first red flag. Actually, the first red flag is that Miro somewhat bashes the RFF method on his site, and says MLD is much more reliable and gives aesthetic and functional results… that is not the truth.
I don’t have any sensation. Full stop. It’s something I knew, yet didn’t put a ton of thought into. The thought of having a penis overweighted that by a ton.
My urethra is halfway on the shaft. How can this be a standard? I need to wipe after I pee because the pee drips down the tip where the urethra ends, which is the exact same thing I had to do pre-op, and was hoping to get rid of post-op. However, I am currently dealing with a stricture so I’m unable to pee standing up and don’t pee “normally”, so maybe my thoughts would change after that, but I’d still have to wipe and I have no idea how I’d use an urinal (several others have told me they also have to wipe, but feel free to comment if you don’t have to). When I pee standing in the shower, I have to hold the penis in a weird way (two fingers on the side of the head) instead of normally because otherwise I’d just be peeing over my hand, which makes me incredibly dysphoric.
It’s kinda oddly shaped.
I’ve noticed that every phallo penis with him has an odd shape at the tip that would require lipo, although I haven’t yet asked him about that. The glans also always seems to flatten - I genuinely have not seen anyone with the glans not flattened with him, including me.
I never had a good relationship with my vagina. I was ashamed of it, especially due to society. “Pussy” as an insult, making it seem as if having a vagina makes you weak, which is rooted in misogyny, anyway. I had very bad gender dysphoria, yet I did almost have sex with a guy (w/o penetration), and liked my T-dick. However, the thought of having a penis excited me so much… but now, I’m ashamed of my body. I don’t even want to be naked in front of anyone. Yet the thought of having a vagina still makes me feel incredibly dysphoric, and I’m not sure if I’d want to go back to that, either. Maybe meta, but again, I’m not sure.
I also have a massive scar from the donor site because I needed a skin graft. That area is numb as well and I hate touching it due to that and the texture of it. It looks awful, and I don’t think I’ll be going shirtless anywhere. It’s also very tight and while I do have full mobility, it does feel uncomfortable. I suppose that could be helped with massaging, though.
It’s at around 5,5” x 4”, and yet it slips out of my underwear very often, which is really annoying, and I can’t wear it pointer downwards, as that feels really uncomfortable, plus it leaves fabric marks(?) on it from my underwear. However, seeing as others can, I think that’s just a me issue that could potentially get fixed with different underwear or something, despite trying many types already. But, it still just gets in the way, honestly.
The team is… I don’t really know. I’ve noticed a lot of people are frustrated with them. Communication is awful, and I’ve been told to “wait” and that “everything is fine” while suspecting a stricture (it was not in fact fine). I’ve also noticed in general that a lot of people seem to be getting frustrated with the results, or what they can and can’t do (e.g., while on their website it says they do the urethra to the tip in three stages, as well as using the same approach in their articles, that they do the urethra that way, Miro actively tries to refuse that if you ask due to “complications”, and that you should be happy with the halfway urethra on the shaft). Another thing is that their process is written completely differently on their site than they do it nowadays.
However, there are many that are satisfied and happy with him, even after stage 1 with no UL, burial, or glans. And I am extremely jealous of them. My dysphoria is very severe, and I think it would only get mostly (not fully) resolved if I got RFF with dr. Chen specifically as well as very good medical tattooing, but I’d never even be a candidate for that even if I was incredibly rich due to thin forearms.
There are also some things I couldn’t expect that have happened, such as all my scars healing in a hypertrophic way. Honestly, my penis kinda looks like a crayon with the way the top scar has healed and is making it look slightly pointy at some angles... the scars have healed awfully. But, I couldn’t have known this would’ve happened.
Don’t get me wrong - there are some photos I’ve taken of myself that give me euphoria. But with that only being a small percentage out of my usual struggles with it, I don’t think it was worth it, especially as it’s been 2 years, and I’m still probably not done with the surgeries due to complications.
While I will be going to therapy over this and try to love my body, I’ll also be getting a lot of revisions if I’ll have a next surgery (I really do not wanna put myself through catheters for a month again anytime soon). Ideally, I’d get it shortened to maybe 4”, although that would then also present the challenge of creating a glans again, and if Miro could even shorten it and be willing to do it, but that would also mean the glans could heal differently. I’d also be getting lipo both to make it shaped more evenly, as well as making it an inch or two thinner, as it’s too thick for me at the moment (as is the standard with Miro really, to make it almost as thick as it’s long). I also plan on getting medical tattooing sometime in the future, although not from an artist that specialises in phallo since there are none around me. I’m unable to have any type of nerve graft put into the penis as my insurance doesn’t cover it.
Is it my fault? Yes, absolutely. But because I don’t want others to make a mistake like I did, I wanted to share this. Whoever your surgeon is, make sure to really, really do your research. I was in this group as well as another group specified for him for over a year, yet still made this choice.
Edit: also, just to state: unfortunately I am not from the US and only have my country’s heath insurance, which covers Miro only, nobody else, which is why I went to him in the first place. I cannot get RFF, ALT, or any other method, and especially not RFF by dr. Chen.
Other commenters report being similarly maligned by Dr. Miro; there is something tragic and ironic about these women telling each other now to start going to therapy and working on accepting their bodies as-is, now that they've been butchered. Amazing.
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This may be TMI but I briefly considered getting LASIK, then I learned about the unethical doctors who approve people who aren’t good candidates just to make a quick buck and I read the admittedly rare horror stories and couldn’t go through with it.
The difference with LASIK is you're allowed to criticize it. Your review might get deleted from the doctor's Yelp, but if you and someone who had great results want to argue for 50 posts on Reddit, the thought police won't come after you. Statistics are allowed to be kept.

If you really want something horrifying, look up "empty nose syndrome." People with sinus issues etc. who've had a turbinectomy to solve all their problems forever... and they literally go mad because of the constant feeling of suffocation. They're getting air, but they can no longer sense that they're getting air. People kill themselves. It's rare, but it's a risk.

@Herbhrt West : I presume you had breasts or testicles removed, either of which are pretty standardized procedures, even if doing them recreationally is its own issue. Body temple etc has already been covered; I'm not going to waste time arguing aesthetics, but please give your urinary tract the respect it deserves. That's a body system most people don't appreciate until it's malfunctioning, or gone. Young people especially seem to have an all-or-nothing mindset, but as you've seen, it's not even a trade, chronic UTIs for a perfect set of the desired genitals. The surgeons talk big, but they can't deliver. And they're not the ones paying with MDRO pyelonephritis and renal failure (not from the infection but the antibiotics) for that "lol I tried."
 
Depending on your specific case, you might qualify for ReLEx SMILE- it’s a bit pricier but also much safer. I had it done about four years ago, and it was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made
I’m gonna attempt to spoiler this post, hopefully it works. I read about that one a while back but I couldn’t find a local provider, but that was a few years ago at this point, so maybe things have changed. I think PRK(?) is also safer, though it’s considered to have a rougher recovery period. I’d definitely choose those options over LASIK. It would be nice to be able to see without glasses or contacts for once!

EDIT: Didn’t want to double-post. These horrifically botched people ALWAYS circle back to “I’m learning to accept my body as it is, I’m working on radical acceptance and DBT.”

BRO, you could’ve done that back when you could shit and piss on command!!1
 
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Why does this pooner still have cleavage wrinkles?

Why does she appear to have smallpox?

there is something tragic and ironic about these women telling each other now to start going to therapy and working on accepting their bodies as-is, now that they've been butchered.

It’s almost as if the old system of gatekeeping was there for a good reason. But is therapy the answer? These people have spent so much time obsessing about their own feelings that they talk themselves into this lunacy in the first place. I’d tell them to shut the fuck up, go till the soil, and stop thinking as they’re clearly not very good at it.

Oh no, it’s not the short story being talked about, but the Re-Animator film series starring Jeffrey Combs as Herbert West.

I've never seen the movie adaptation.

Heh, I first saw that with mates, followed directly by Basket Case. Good times…
 
In an effort to maintain that this thread is an archival source of dreadful troon surgeries, let's take a look at some metoidioplasties.
I don't know what it is about them but the Metroids are the fucking worst. They're so vile, just horrific Cronenberg tier atrocities, somehow more pathetic than the micro penises they fail at emulating and far more repulsive, and then when you see the sad little labia ballsack underneath that's often bigger than the Metroid clit itself... this is just FGM, it's ugly, pointless, painful, and repulsive, only a society in terminal decline would allow Shiro Ishii level psychopaths to mutilate pitifully self loathing, broken, mentally ill young women, in such a way.
It's a a cynical cash grab masquerading as "treatment" irreversible damage to the body at the whim of a broken mind. Anyone who could look at that shit and say "yeah sign me up" is not in a fit mental state to consent to any medical treatment, and only an amoral psychopath would inflict that shit on someone.
 
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