What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[AnOminous]

How much of a conspiracy "Pearl Harbor was a false flag operation" is considered? Because there's no way Americans weren't expecting Japanese to retaliate after the embargo which Americans only bothered to after Japan invaded Southeast Asia which was a French colony at the time.

I don't believe it. We probably did expect them to retaliate somehow, but you don't deliberately get a huge chunk of your naval forces wiped out right before getting into a naval war with a great naval power. You'd think if it was on purpose, or at least by deliberately allowing it to happen, that they'd make it bad enough to go to war over, but not as devastating a coup as it actually was.

I do think, much like 9/11, that we had enough information at the time we should have been expecting it, but I don't think we actually did (unless it was some deep state actor who deliberately did it for some reason).

I'm a LOT more suspicious about 9/11 being allowed to happen, although mere incompetence is also at least a plausible explanation (but you would want it to be a plausible explanation if you were pulling off a conspiracy).

 

[Screamer_2]

I'm a LOT more suspicious about 9/11 being allowed to happen, although mere incompetence is also at least a plausible explanation (but you would want it to be a plausible explanation if you were pulling off a conspiracy).

It was probably incompetence in allowing it to happen, not knowing what exactly was being planned and not thinking something the scale of the attacks was possible.

 

[The Foxtrot]

I don't believe it. We probably did expect them to retaliate somehow, but you don't deliberately get a huge chunk of your naval forces wiped out right before getting into a naval war with a great naval power. You'd think if it was on purpose, or at least by deliberately allowing it to happen, that they'd make it bad enough to go to war over, but not as devastating a coup as it actually was.

I think the USA expected an attack on the Philippines, something that would take some time in which we could muster a response to. Not a decapitating strike against the US Pacific Fleet and its biggest naval base. The only thing that the Japanese could have done to make it more devastating would have been to hit the fuel silos in that third attack wave.

It was probably incompetence in allowing it to happen, not knowing what exactly was being planned and not thinking something the scale of the attacks was possible.

"We've been trained to think we're invincible, and now our proudest ships have been destroyed by an enemy we considered inferior."

 

[Stalingrad]

9/11 was absolutely an inside job in that it was more accurately, allowed to happen. All the evidence points to the US Intelligence absolutely 100% knowing about it and Cheney and elements of the CIA running a massive disinfo operation to sabotage the investigations being carried out by the FBI and FAA. Israel and Germany had already warned the US about the attacks which fell on death ears, Israel literally had agents living next door to some of the hijackers, Israeli agents were literally filming the world trade centers at the time. FBI already linked the hijackers to Saudi Intelligence before the attacks, the FAA was like "Wtf these guys are suss as hell" but again the investigation was hampered by CIA/Up the chain inteference. Grab Disconnecting the Dots off Libgen and it goes into detail how investiagations into the hijackers were routinely interfered with, and how rock solid evidence handed to the CIA by foreign intelligence agencies was completely ignored.

You can not convince me as well, that Saudi intelligence, allows this to go through, without a complete green light from the CIA. Saudi Arabia is functionally a US created vassal state.

The more important thing that shows the CIA was absolutely up to false flag terroristic operation is the Anthrax attacks. Nobody with a brain can believe that horse shit official narrative "Oh a guy just walked out of a secret CIA lab with weaponized anthrax whoopsies", it makes no fucking sense with the YEAR leading up to 9/11/Anthrax attacks of fear mongering about Anthrax attacks by Jihadis in crop dusters and it was targeted at certain people, that were holding up passing of/investigating the Patriot Act. Just unreal how much the Anthrax attacks have been memory holed.

I've also found it very suss how little investigative academic/histoigraphy work has been done into 9/11 despite being the most important Post-WW2 historical event.

 

[NoReturn]

it makes no fucking sense with the YEAR leading up to 9/11/Anthrax attacks of fear mongering about Anthrax attacks by Jihadis in crop dusters and it was targeted at certain people

I know everyone has a short memory, but you can even go back and listen to old Coast to Coast AM episodes from pre-September, 2001 and you can hear people calling in and talking about what was being spoken about in the media at the time.

 

[three_little_rats]

I believe that a lot of modern day antisemitism/racism is controlled opposition. The self proclaimed racists/antisemites claim to be well researched, when in reality their opinions are formed by videos spoonfed to them by Mark SHECKELSburg (Instagram), China (Tiktok), and Youtube. The most research that these racists/antisemites are willing to do is search some statistic on Google (which is censored in order to remove """""""Russian propoganda""""""") or WikiTrannypedia. No stalker child, you are not against the mainstream narrative or counterculture or oppressed. You are, as you refer to everyone with a somewhat normal opinion as, a "niggercattle".
I haven't done too much research into this yet. This is mainly me reflecting on observations that I have made on these people in the real world.

Dont subvert.

 

[Starscream's Loyalty]

I don't believe it. We probably did expect them to retaliate somehow, but you don't deliberately get a huge chunk of your naval forces wiped out right before getting into a naval war with a great naval power. You'd think if it was on purpose, or at least by deliberately allowing it to happen, that they'd make it bad enough to go to war over, but not as devastating a coup as it actually was.

I do think, much like 9/11, that we had enough information at the time we should have been expecting it, but I don't think we actually did (unless it was some deep state actor who deliberately did it for some reason).

I'm a LOT more suspicious about 9/11 being allowed to happen, although mere incompetence is also at least a plausible explanation (but you would want it to be a plausible explanation if you were pulling off a conspiracy).

My father, for all his WW2 knowledge, thought it was fishy af that there were reports of a foreign plane flying to Pearl Habor, but as the story gose the higher-ups brushed it off. I don't know any key details.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

The "official story" is actually kind of worse. The Soviet Union asked for it and the U.S. and Britain carried it out. It was to keep the Eastern Front weak. You know, so the commies could swoop in and steal half the country and keep it.

Ah, to pave the way for East Germany.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

My father, for all his WW2 knowledge, thought it was fishy af that there were reports of a foreign plane flying to Pearl Habor, but as the story gose the higher-ups brushed it off. I don't know any key details.

>Go to war in Europe when attacked by Asia

Doesn't really make sense when you stop and think about it. Perhaps both that and 9/11 were intelligence failures were deliberately let happen to have a casus belli for getting involved in wars.

 

[cactus]

>Go to war in Europe when attacked by Asia

Doesn't really make sense when you stop and think about it. Perhaps both that and 9/11 were intelligence failures were deliberately let happen to have a casus belli for getting involved in wars.

You say that as if we didn't go to war with Japan. And I'm gonna be pedantic but Japan isn't all of Asia and all of Europe wasn't involved either.

 

[dick brain]

I remember somebody on /x/ or /pol/ like fifteen years ago tracking a bunch of data relating to North Korea and all the aid they receive from other countries and speculating that NK is a top down, deliberately engineered experiment regarding totalitarianism/communism, and that other nations are financing it so they can learn from the data.

I don't know whether I believe that or not -- whether it's manufactured or an emergent phenomenon -- but either way I absolutely believe North and South Korea can be viewed as lab mice for the competing global political ideologies right now, North Korea being a hyperbolic extrapolation of totalitarian nationalist communism and South Korea being a hyperbolic extrapolation of globalist taylorist corporate-capitalism, and we should be paying a lot more attention to the problems each are facing because they're going to become the problems that the East and West come to face in the near future.

 

[teriyakiburns]

>Go to war in Europe when attacked by Asia

Germany and Japan were allies, and Japan had taken large chunks of European territory in asia and the pacific, which had damaged British ability to prosecute the war in both the far east and Europe. Germany declared war on the US alongside Japan, with the intent to take advantage of Japan's newly acquired Pacific holdings at the conclusion of the war. The Germans explicitly intended to reduce US influence and power by supporting the Japanese conquest of the pacific, and potentially even parts of the United States mainland.

The US was already committed to a level of support for Britain before it was drawn into direct conflict by Japan. It couldn't hope to take and defend all of that territory itself, but it had to defend against further incursions from Japan into its own territory and prevent Japan consolidating and exploiting its new territory, as that would be a direct threat to US security. The most effective way to deal with Japan was to first remove Germany, which would release the majority of the British and imperial forces, and most importantly most of their equipment from the European theatre, to fight in the pacific and south east asia.

 

[Executive Petrel]

The books the nazis burned were about abhorrant descriptions of sex practice with children and animals the DEI loving Weimarians used to write down.

 

[Finnegan the Supershark]

@Null is running a blackmail farm against the highest-IQ population of any social media site. If I can't delete posts, then I can't post any original opinion I might later use IRL without risking getting doxxed.

I guess I could have one KF profile for TND and another for non-TND stuff.

 

[Null]

highest-IQ population

don't flatter yourself

 

[Finnegan the Supershark]

don't flatter yourself

That's not how it works. There's a reliable test. They made me take it and I got a score. How i feel about it is irrelevant.

People who do well on the test don't like it when people who do poorly on the test constrain how we think and express ourselves. That's why we like your website, Jersh.

 

[NoReturn]

@Null is running a blackmail farm against the highest-IQ population of any social media site. If I can't delete posts, then I can't post any original opinion I might later use IRL without risking getting doxxed.

I guess I could have one KF profile for TND and another for non-TND stuff.

Imagine needing people to know you came up with an idea. Pssh. That's like needing people to know you were the person to shop a specific meme.

 

[Finnegan the Supershark]

Imagine needing people to know you came up with an idea. Pssh. That's like needing people to know you were the person to shop a specific meme.

It's not about credit. It's about articulating an autistic line of reasoning about an esoteric subject, which could later provide a connection to other social media from which I could be identified.

There aren't a lot of us 9/11 spergs left. I'd be thrilled if I could find a way to make the general public understand certain things without my anonymity being compromised at all. Old 9/11 posts are used against people all the time.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

It's not about credit. It's about articulating an autistic line of reasoning about an esoteric subject, which could later provide a connection to other social media from which I could be identified.

There aren't a lot of us 9/11 spergs left. I'd be thrilled if I could find a way to make the general public understand certain things without my anonymity being compromised at all. Old 9/11 posts are used against people all the time.

So basically the mentality with objectively asking questions about 9/11 in America is "You will never ever express suspicion about any word of the official story, or you will be a pariah."

 

[Finnegan the Supershark]

So basically the mentality with objectively asking questions about 9/11 in America is "You will never ever express suspicion about any word of the official story, or you will be a pariah."

Most recently at RFK's Senate confirmation hearing, he was heckled by Tim Kaine for saying he "won't take sides" in the debate. Vivek Ramalamadingdong got called a conspiracy theorist for saying "Al-Qaeda definitely did it but we might not know all the details". Justin Trudeau kicked somebody out of his party for old Facebook inside job posts.

Tucker brings it up from time to time, but they had already made him a pariah. Joe Rogan used to talk about it before he blew up.

GEOTUS himself, builder of tall buildings, said soon after 9/11 that the consequences of the airliner impacts couldn't possibly be the sole cause of what happened. I don't mind that he hasn't brought it up lately for obvious reasons.

If I'm being honest, there is very strict gatekeeping within the "9/11 truth" community itself and my views are not welcome there, which makes me even more vulnerable if I were to make a post I can't delete, even on the one forum where intelligent people will actually see it.

All I'm saying is, it would be one thing to have to defend my 9/11 views in the Senate; it would be another if they used that to find my KF history.