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Should be a wild four years.

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A federal appeals court on Tuesday dismissed indictments against former co-defendants of President Trump, ending the classified documents case that began almost two years ago in South Florida. The Atlanta-based US Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit threw out the charges against Trump’s valet Walt Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira, an employee at Mar-a-Lago, who were accused of conspiring with the president to conceal classified files.
 
Churches should be held to a higher standard than anyone else. The prudent thing to do would have been to take the reputational hit up front any time a pedo was found making it known that pedos in the church would be dealt with severely and turned over to law enforcement.

Instead the Catholic church put their institution's reputation over the innocence of children. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Why a higher standard and not the same standard? All putting the church on a higher standard does is leave other institutions like public schools unaccountable for doing more of the exact same thing. Teachers are supposed to be protectors of kids while they're in their care. That's part of the social contract.
 
built in the places where all those work projects hoover wanted to get going would be at.
We aren't even told that anymore, in my high school we were told "Hoovervilles were cause of Homeless people gathering" not that they were camps for workers.
 
Why a higher standard and not the same standard? All putting the church on a higher standard does is leave other institutions like public schools unaccountable for doing more of the exact same thing. Teachers are supposed to be protectors of kids while they're in their care. That's part of the social contract.
as a christian myself, i would say it's because as a member of christ's flock, it's up to us to attempt as best as we humanly can to embody His perfection in our behavior. teachers aren't trying to live up to a standard set by someone who was literally sinless, we are.

We aren't even told that anymore, in my high school we were told "Hoovervilles were cause of Homeless people gathering" not that they were camps for workers.
how dishonest of them. the death of the department of education cannot come swiftly enough. total departmental deconstruction.
 
Thing is, Trump obviously had extremely savvy, knowledgeable deep lore types planning all this. These are the first chess moves from the left. There is no way Trump’s team are surprised or did not anticipate the first few moves. So, I’m fine so far.
Some of these moves are so retarded it’s hard to believe that Trump is receiving fair treatment by the leftist judges. For example, the complaint in the case filed in the District of Rhode Island has five counts. The first two counts are brought under the Administrative Procedure Act. The last three counts are not brought under any cause of action. They are claims based on broad constitutional clauses which do not, in themselves, create a self-executing cause of action. Rather, they seem to skirt past this and argue they can bring the claim under 28 USC 2201. That statute allows a party to seek a declaratory judgment from a court. The issue, however, is that section 2201 does not create a freestanding cause of action. It creates a remedy, not the cause of action.

What this essentially means is that a single glance at the last three counts of their complaint immediately indicates that there are three claims where the plaintiffs have failed to state any sort of cognizable claim. Yet the leftist judge literally wrote in an order that the states are “likely to succeed on the merits.”

That’s insane. A reasonable jurist would look at that and think there needs to be more briefing and developed arguments, because otherwise you’re enjoining the federal government over a flimsy complaint. That did not occur here. This is not legally proper, and you’re not going to hear about it at all because BOTH sides of the argument are too dumb and/or biased to see it.
 
i've often pondered on what to do about this and the only solution i've ever come up with is to make all processes involved in public education transparent to the point of being nearly unobstructed for confirmed parents of children to be involved in their schooling.
Classes should be livestreamed so that parents can check on what is going on in these schools at any time. Our children are being dropped off and left with strangers.
 
Am I the only person who thinks the Catholic Church may have gotten fucked with the pedo scandals? The other side of the story that I've heard was that the Catholic Church leadership in the US had no clue what to do or how to handle the pedophiles in their ranks. So, they consulted lawyers who told them to conceal, to move pedophiles around, and to deny, deny, deny. Then the story went public in a way that was impossible to deny anymore and the cover up became a bigger scandal than the original crimes, which were bad enough.

I'm not trying to defend the Catholic Church here - I am not a Catholic - but I wonder if the above information comports with anyone else's understanding. From my perspective, it seems that church leadership panicked, made a dumb decision by listening to lawyers, and then got hammered by atheists who have a conniption when you point out that your child is far more likely to get molested by public school teachers than a member of the clergy.
Catholic priests do not diddle more than any other group that is commonly in a trusted position around children such as doctors or teachers. It's true that rather than quietly move the pedo's around they should have quietly introduced them all to a woodchiper, but the public perception of pedo priests is out of line with reality. There are many cases of schools, unions, and basically any organization that you could think of covering up the sexual assault allegations for their members. The key difference is that the Catholic church has morals and so it's faithful expected more of them and it's enemies saw it as an opportunity to attack. This many years after the crisis when the church has done so much to introduce safeguards to prevent similar circumstances from occurring again, I believe that most people who bring it up are just looking for a way to attack the church because they don't like that it stands by it's teachings, especially with regards to abortion and homosexuality, rather than because they are actually concerned about children.

Edit to add an article that I found interesting on the topic. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...8/separating-facts-about-clergy-abuse-fiction
 
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They simply thought they could get away with it and that they were like an "independent" institution with its own rules and, for a while, they were, until it got too big to contain.
So the church just thought "we're the church, we can handle this?"
yes you are, because if you do even the smallest bit of digging you can watch different levels of catholic leadership continually pass the buck for pedophiles. when you have a priest who gets moved across the entire country in the 80s and they still get complaints, that's a problem. you shouldn't just excommunicate him, you should also at that point cooperate with law enforcement. the catholics have at every turn fought as hard as they could against actually addressing the problems their church has with pedophilia, and i promise you it is not within christ's belief to allow children to suffer. matthew 18:1-9
This is what I'm getting at though: I heard that the church knew about its pedophile problem in the 60's and 70's. They contacted lawyers and other "experts" who told them to move offenders around instead of confront the issue directly since that would result in massive legal problems and a massive reputational hit. The Catholic Church was already scared about their steadily declining membership.

I agree in full that the Church ought to have defrocked the pedophiles, admitted the problem, and been more public and honest about it. It would have been immediately painful, but better long-term. However, when I heard about the lawyers giving them shitty advice in the late 60's and throughout the 70's, it made me thunk.
 
It's true that rather than quietly move the pedo's around they should have quietly introduced them all to a woodchiper, but
the problem lies right here. they have protected pedophiles. there is simply no defense for an organization who has dedicated itself to protecting child molesters and rapists, especially not one who claims to be the true church of Christ. it is spitting in the face of what the very messiah they worship preached.

Classes should be livestreamed so that parents can check on what is going on in these schools at any time. Our children are being dropped off and left with strangers.
i have absolutely no problem with this at all. i'm even perfectly fine with security measures being enforced in this way, like tracked tablets that the parents use (on loan with a consequence of full price buying the tablet if damaged/lost) or whatever else might be useful. that's an excellent idea as long as the security of preventing pedos from watching children in school is taken seriously.

However, when I heard about the lawyers giving them shitty advice in the late 60's and throughout the 70's, it made me thunk.
i'm sorry, but i simply don't accept, at face value, the idea that the church should ever have cared about what lawyers would think. the correct action morally was always to report them, and the consistent and continued to this very day failure to do so reveals exactly why the church doesn't do it; they are not concerned about the people who will be hurt, they are concerned about their reputation.

as people who are claiming to hold dominion on the true church of christ, that is completely unacceptable to me, without question.
 
The CDC had a fully funded SOTA task force to track novel diseases globally. Their main purpose was to notify the government if the threat of a pandemic was immenant, and provide strategies to minimize the immediate impact of an emerging global pandemic on the U.S.

Trump shut down this department as a cost cutting measure. A year later COVID broke out in China.

*Broke out of a lab funded by the NIAID and USAID. Fauci and others knew immediately where it came from. What funds or task forces the CDC had would not have mattered.

Herbert Hoover (who, in his defense, experienced an unprecedented economic disaster, but his ardent refusal to intervene ultimately made things much worse than they could have been).
He did intervene immediately and did so to a large degree. He had bailouts and massive public works (Hoover dam ring a bell?). He was trying to pass a massive bit of legislation that FDR ultimately signed after he was inaugurated.
Hoover did many things FDR would go on to do and expand on.

All of the interventions, central planning, and monetary manipulations made the great depression worse. It wasn't until after the war and some of the stuff was repealed that the country actually recovered.

Hoover doing nothing is revisionist pro FDR propaganda.
 
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Reminder that one of the narratives that leftists tried (and failed) to create in the past two years was that working out is fascist.
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They’ve been doing it even longer than that, remember Jim’s video on the Nu-cannibals where millennials would do gross shit like Cum cocktails, vaginal bacon, and pussy blood muffins? He talked about articles at the beginning claiming that if you work out you’re alt-right.
 
Why a higher standard and not the same standard? All putting the church on a higher standard does is leave other institutions like public schools unaccountable for doing more of the exact same thing. Teachers are supposed to be protectors of kids while they're in their care. That's part of the social contract.
The minimum standard to hold yourself to is the legal one, the maximum standard to hold yourself to is God's standard.

Public schools are beholden to the public and the legal system. By all means, raise the standards and mandate harsher penalties.

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as a christian myself, i would say it's because as a member of christ's flock, it's up to us to attempt as best as we humanly can to embody His perfection in our behavior. teachers aren't trying to live up to a standard set by someone who was literally sinless, we are.
You answered this way better than I could have.
 
Pretty clear that Trump is going to ignore all of them as the ones filed last week are complaining that they aren't being followed already.
Fucking good. These extra judicial ex parte ROs are such fucking bullshit, and should be ignored.

They drive me up a fucking wall because these cunt judges know exactly what they’re doing. It’s either pause everything you’re doing so that you can answer to my bullshit order that had absolutely no right to be filed, or ignore them (as you again, fucking should) and be branded the tyrant that is opposing muh heckin judicial process by gay retards who don’t know better or are actively malicious.

I hate activist judges so much it’s unreal. It’s such a shame. I used to have respect for judges as a whole. More the fool me.
 
as a christian myself, i would say it's because as a member of christ's flock, it's up to us to attempt as best as we humanly can to embody His perfection in our behavior. teachers aren't trying to live up to a standard set by someone who was literally sinless, we are.

So because teachers aren't trying to be christ-like you're giving them the pass to molest kids? How very modern day Christian of you. I don't think it matters if they're trying to live up to a "sinless figure." They're supposed to be protected when under their supervision. Your stance is why there's still tons of sexual abuse being done by teenagers and if your ideal is to live up to perfection you are FAR off the mark.
 
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