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XYZpdq Jr. said:
I recall similar history from late 90s high school
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I remember the stuff being taught about Hoover and when the teacher was talking about Hoover flags I remember thinking something along the lines that it sounded like people at the time where making up nonsense to make the guy look bad.

It wasn't until after I got out of school that I started to realize that all of politics is nonsense to try to make somebody else look bad.
 
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General Disarray said:
I disagree. We're getting far too dystopian as it it stands.
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It's not dystopian to install a camera for a classroom for parents. This isn't an invasion of privacy. It's where kids are frequently dumped off (frequently) into the hands of pedophiles. Severe punishment as a deterrent never stops pedophiles. They seem to always believe that they'll never get caught.

Besides, we already have cameras everywhere we go. From the sidewalk to the supermarket. The one place we don't have visual access to is the place where children are left with strangers? Strangers who frequently abuse them. Yeah, that's retarded.
 
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Catgirl Tyranid said:
How much, "we agree with you, all pedos should be dumped in a river with a millstone around their neck and we should bring the legal standard in line with Christ's standard" will be enough for you??
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I just don't think justice and standards should be tiered or applied differently. Even if it's so you can selflagellate. We already do that, it doesn't work, and its a big reason why its happening in the first place. Sorry it upset so many people that have a hard on for the status quo
 
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indomitable snowman said:
DOGE is really just decolonizing the federal government if you think about it. All these Government departments and bureaucrats are just neo-colonizers of the day. We are returning to tribal ways of knowing where the government does not have as firm of a grasp on your life.

We are becoming unburdened by what has been.
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This is actually true ironically enough. A lot of state department programs were created under VERY racist pretenses. "If we give these niggers journalism they might one day not be savages"
 
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Pelican Bones said:
Hoover flags
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that's the thing of people walking around with their pockets turned out to show how broke they were, right?
I didn't hear about that in school, but I did hear of that from Hour Of Slack, that one dude who I think was in Half Life mentioned them as a thing during one of the X-Day drills
 
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I just don't think justice and standards should be tiered or applied differently. Even if it's so you can selflagellate. We already do that, it doesn't work, and its a big reason why its happening in the first place. Sorry it upset so many people that have a hard on for the status quo
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You're advocating for the removal of personal moral standards which is the equivalent of a Communist taking away Joe's wheat and giving it to Carl because Joe grew more wheat. Even if that's not your intended argument, it's what your argument sounds like which is why it's caused such a visceral emotional clap back.

If you want to raise the bare minimum standards you're not going to find anyone who disagrees with you especially on this issue.

But individuals and even institutions have a right to hold themselves to higher standards than what's minimally required and the legal standard will always be the minimum standard. It's just a function of society and governance.
 
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Pelican Bones said:
I remember the stuff being taught about Hoover and when the teacher was talking about Hoover flags I remember thinking something along the lines that it sounded like people at the time where making up nonsense to make the guy look bad.

It wasn't until after I got out of school that I started to realize that all of politics is nonsense to try to make somebody else look bad.
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That's why the left thought it was the end of history. History is dictated by the people that control it.
 
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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Am I the only person who thinks the Catholic Church may have gotten fucked with the pedo scandals? The other side of the story that I've heard was that the Catholic Church leadership in the US had no clue what to do or how to handle the pedophiles in their ranks. So, they consulted lawyers who told them to conceal, to move pedophiles around, and to deny, deny, deny. Then the story went public in a way that was impossible to deny anymore and the cover up became a bigger scandal than the original crimes, which were bad enough.

I'm not trying to defend the Catholic Church here - I am not a Catholic - but I wonder if the above information comports with anyone else's understanding. From my perspective, it seems that church leadership panicked, made a dumb decision by listening to lawyers, and then got hammered by atheists who have a conniption when you point out that your child is far more likely to get molested by public school teachers than a member of the clergy.
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They followed standard procedure of the 50-70’s which was just move the offender elsewhere.

Public schools still do this, usually with a payoff. The big issue was that rather than it being a diocese issue it was effectively an organization wide issue in a time where the standards changed and they didn’t adapt to change. There are huge issues from when standards for priests were dropped post-Vatican 2 where there weren’t enough priests and certain types were pushed into the role. Benedict wrote on it that the issue was that a lot of the predators and gay seminarians effectively were an organization within the Church. He did remove a lot of people (who Francis restored). Part of it was elements within the Church dragging their feet and part of it was bad actors.

Catgirl Tyranid said:
Churches should be held to a higher standard than anyone else. The prudent thing to do would have been to take the reputational hit up front any time a pedo was found making it known that pedos in the church would be dealt with severely and turned over to law enforcement.

Instead the Catholic church put their institution's reputation over the innocence of children. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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The issue is really big. People like former Archbishop Pell of Melbourne are a good case to look at where you have people being blamed for problems they inherited from people who didn’t understand the issue or were used to moving people around.
 
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