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Honestly, I think you should moderate a little with the alcohol, just given this is now the second time I've told you that. You started posting screenshots of columns in a spreadsheet, then went "you should see the rest of this shit, it just gets worse", and people predictably replied "yeah, this is kiwifarms, please source the shit you're posting." And then you post a line where $4 trillion of pension funds is invested; if you think about it for a second, maybe you won't be surprised that rather than having all that money parked in a checking account losing ground to inflation, pension funds tend to be held in investments which will provide a return.
these arent "pension" funds in the way you and I think of them , they are permanent spending accounts they use to generate usable revenue outside of taxpayer funding

I always feel free to ignore me if I become tiresome, I try not to insist upon myself
 
I do think that McConnell will find a faithless GoP senator to stall the votes for Tulsi and RFK. He only needs 1 more to vote with him to bring everything grinding to a halt. Which is of course the primary goal of the Uniparty for now.

They need to get their house in order to tackle Trump's attacks and right now the drones are all over the place with no one to 'tard wrangle them. Delay Trump's blitzkrieg for a month or two and that gives the Uniparty time to get their game plan set up and their house in order. Crack the whip and wield the club and the drones will quickly fall in line no matter their public faces.

There are still old school GoP'ers within the ranks and all it takes is one of them to side with the turtle to gum up the works.

My only questions are 1. who will step up and be the sacrificial lamb and 2. does Trump have a back up plan for when he gets stalled out by the congress critters?
I can see either Tulsi or RFK getting BTFO by Republicans because they were the two biggest names, most controversial, Dem defectors...the biggest asks. And after giving Trump so much, denying him one of them would show token resistance, that the entire Party and Congressional Republicans in particular aren't totally under his thumb. Either of them would be considered a necessary sacrifice to give Trump everything else he wants.
 
I can see either Tulsi or RFK getting BTFO by Republicans because they were the two biggest names, most controversial, Dem defectors...the biggest asks. And after giving Trump so much, denying him one of them would show token resistance, that the entire Party and Congressional Republicans in particular aren't totally under his thumb. Either of them would be considered a necessary sacrifice to give Trump everything else he wants.
Or the Turtle might call in the kompromat he has filed away. I'm sure Israel has shared all the Agent Epstein info they gathered for use.
 
turns out Nixon had a form of DOGE

Nixon tried something similar; its minor successes & overall failure are both informative. He saw that Office of Personnel Mgmt (called the Civil Service Commission back then) had given leftist bureaucrats unaccountable power over executive branch staffing, so he had Fred Malek—West Point, special forces, Harvard Business, money man—create the Presidential Personnel Office in the White House, to give Nixon a talented & loyal team for poaching talent & placing loyalists in key administrative spots. They weren’t able to scale this up to make very big formal systematic impacts on the civil service, but they were instrumental in recruiting & deploying Nixon guys where it mattered. Organizing loyal social networks around White House invites, purging organized subversion attempts (most notably the DoL/BLS data-fakers), etc—they even advised him on who to remove & who to elevate in the “Saturday Night Massacre.” But then the deep state removed Nixon over that very purge, & in 1978 Congress made the CSC even more unaccountable to the President—& renamed it OPM—& even the PPO became in some ways an unaccountable deep state office of sorts, even though it was directly in the Executive Office of the President (after all, for years now, the second paragraph of the Wikipedia page for the EOP umbrella has described it as an unaccountable “permanent government” that stubbornly outlasts every president). For example, the PPO was always the best tool that Trump had, besides maybe OMB, but the *very first major scandal* in his first term—which created the whole “resistance” narrative—was that he had his PPO director fire Acting Attorney General Sally Yates (an Obama appointee) for explicitly ordering Trump’s DoJ to disobey & sabotage his “Muslim Ban.” By early 2018, there were tons of stories in all the major papers crying about how Trump was “politicizing” the PPO, & bragging about how their yellow journalism attacks were keeping it wildly understaffed, & pearl-clutching about how the staff it had was “inexpert.” But by the last few months, he was using PPO & OMB to push things like Schedule F, which laid the groundwork for everything that’s going well now. Meanwhile OPM was being such an obstacle that he tried to completely dissolve it in 2019—so that presidentially accountable offices like PPO & OMB could pick up all its important political authorities, & GSA could absorb all its rote logistical work—but Congress (at the behest of the deep state) blocked this. The main takeaway (from this Nixon attempt, & similar ones by Reagan with OIRA) is that we need to seize agencies like OPM that have become independent of presidential oversight, instead of just setting up our own accountable offices on top of them like PPO, since the inertia of deep state intransigence will otherwise undermine our every reform. Think of it like how you have to remove malignant cancers instead of just grafting healthy tissue onto tumors.
@ARKloster
at OPM is a great signal that great things in this vein—like what we saw last week—will keep on coming. But some of Malek’s ideas are well worth returning to. Eg think how effective organized White House dinner etc invite systems—with Trump or his informal closest advisors, like his family & Musk—would be at incentivizing effort, maintaining morale, aligning agencies, & lubricating networks (eg maybe 100 guys vouched for by appointees get invites to Mar a Lago each week)

The Malek Manual:



The record is quite replete with instances of the failures of program, policy and management goals because of sabotage by employees of the executive branch who engage in the frustration of those efforts because of their political persuasion and their loyalty to the majority party of Congress rather than the executive that supervises them. And yet, in their own eyes, they are sincere and loyal to their government.”
Readers may be forgiven for thinking the above quote came from proponents of reviving Schedule F, a controversial yet abortive effort at the end of the Trump administration to move tens of thousands of career federal employees in “policy-related” positions into the federal government’s excepted service, effectively making them at-will employees.
But in fact, it is an excerpt from the Federal Political Personnel Manual, more commonly known as “the Malek manual”, named for its architect, Fred Malek, who served as the first head of the White House Personnel Office—now the Presidential Personnel Office—during President Nixon’s first term.
Though he is more often remembered for helping to compile a list of Jewish Bureau of Labor Statistics employees, Malek also directed the “Responsiveness Program,” a secret effort to replace career civil servants with political patrons across government. It had the dual purpose of rewarding Nixon’s political allies and thereby shoring up support for his reelection, and making agencies more politically pliable to the president.
Nixon’s effort to tear down merit systems principles, which at that point had undergirded the federal civil service for nearly a century, was exposed as part of the Watergate investigation, and led to the enactment of the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act. A 1976 report from the Fund for Constitutional Government outlines Malek’s project and its impact on agency operations and offers a window into the debate that coalesced into the 1978 law.
Similar themes run through both Malek’s secret arguments for the “responsiveness program” and those of Trump allies in favor of Schedule F. A 1971 article in The Washington Post, written by a future Nixon staffer, cites a plan to “reshape” the “unwieldy federal bureaucracy to make it more responsive to President Nixon.”
Indeed, the Malek manual itself discusses at length the need to exert “political control” over federal agencies, the very same phrase used by a Project 2025 and former Trump White House staffer when describing the replacement of career employees with political appointees at the Office of Personnel Management in recently leaked training videos.
“One thing we understood in our time in the Trump administration was the importance of retaining political control over OPM,” said Kaitlin Stumpf. “There were several career employees in powerful positions who hindered the work of the president and his staff. They were later replaced by political appointees. OPM is the federal entity that actually processes the paperwork of appointees once [the White House Presidential Personnel Office] has selected them . . . If PPO and OPM don’t have alignment, there will not be any success.”
Tom Devine is legal director at the Government Accountability Project, a whistleblower protection advocacy group, and was a co-author of the 1976 report on Nixon’s civil service record. Devine said he has been struck by the brazenness of both the Trump campaign and the conservative think tank apparatus in advancing proposals like Schedule F.
“What really struck me is that President Trump is openly seeking to do what President Nixon tried to do in secret, which is to turn the 2 million-person federal workforce into a patronage operation, and to the extent that Trump is running against ‘bureaucratic abuses,’ the Schedule F proposal would create a blank check for any political abuses that federal employees want to engage in, as long as they’re serving the president’s interest,” he said. “It’s a fundamental threat to the integrity of the executive branch.”
Though the impact of Malek’s “responsiveness program” was widespread, with many career job applicants losing out to partisans in rigged hiring announcements and career employees shunted out of their positions in politically motivated agency reorganizations, the impact perhaps was most felt at the federal government’s newest agency: the Environmental Protection Agency. Per Devine’s report, the lack of a preexisting personnel management system meant that the political hiring operation loomed larger, creating a culture of favoritism and devoid of the merit system and resulting in a 33% annual attrition rate.
“In EPA, abuse centered around promotions,” the report states. “Sixty-three percent of promotions at the agency were by accretion . . . The political hiring maneuvers at EPA damaged employee morale and the agency’s effectiveness. A [Civil Service Commission] poll taken at the EPA in March 1974 revealed that only 54% of the employees felt the agency was doing a good job. Sixty percent of employees said they were not adequately notified of changes in policy which affected their duties.”
Devine said the introduction of political loyalty into positions jobs that were before based solely on merit can only result in the degradation of service to the public.
“With the patronage workforce, it means every agency will have two missions,” he said. “One is its official mission, created by statute, and the second would be its political mission, which will trump the former whenever there’s a conflict. There’s no question that when you start politicizing public service that there’s going to be severe impacts.”
Don Kettl, professor emeritus and former dean of the University of Maryland School of Public Policy and a cofounder of the Working Group to Protect and Reform U.S. Civil Service, an anti-Schedule F organization, said that while the details of Nixon’s attempted politicization of the federal workforce often are overshadowed by the actual Watergate break-ins and the infamous Saturday Night Massacre, they are particularly relevant today.
“One of the things I think people forget about Watergate is how large and sprawling an effort it was,” Kettl said. “It was far, far bigger than Nixon squeezing people into supporting him or misusing certain powers . . . More fundamentally, it was all an effort to twist the government in ways that would make it as politically responsive to his point of view as was possible, and in any way possible.”
The difference now, he suggested, is that the federal judiciary is far more open to conservative legal arguments on the topic than it was half a century ago.
“The dots connecting Schedule F and Project 2025 with some of Watergate are there for all to see, though that is not to say in any way that the people involved are involved in the same massive conspiracy to undermine government [as Nixon and his allies were]. There is a fundamental, political, philosophical debate on what accountability ought to look like.”


nixon confirmed to be based YET AGAIN
 
Is Jordan the only artificial country that hasn't exploded or acted extremely retardedly?
Do they have large social issues like say India and Pakistan?

I did a dive on this exact subject a while back because I was trying to see why some places were shitholes in the Middle East and why others weren't.

Firstly, Jordan's monarchy has legitimacy, as an above poster pointed out, since they've been present in the region for a long ass time, similar to Saudis and the various princes of the UAE. The current and previous monarchs didn't go retarded when it came to appeasing crazy Muslims but also not abandoning some air of secularism to prevent societal stagnation, it also helps that their royal family is descended from Muhammed himself. The tribal authorities help to keep order and tribal leaders occupy places of importance within the government, appointed by the monarch, a move to ingratiate loyalty (and it works). They also have the GID, which is one of the more competent intelligence agencies in the region (not as good as Mossad but still), so agitators, terrorists, traitors, etcetera, are dealt with. They're also diplomatically similar to Oman, being friendly with Westerners and not really choosing a side in the Shia-Sunni quasi-war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. They're also one of the few states that is pretty friendly with Israel in the region.

Quickfire points: They're largely homogenous, both ethnically and religiously, with a small population relative to their neighbours. Political change and reform is gradual, which doesn't risk pissing off people or the army (see Egypt in 2000 and 2011, and pretty much every state impacted by the Arab Spring). They're happy to divvy out authority, and due to aforementioned tribal appointments, military has been loyal to them as a result. Jordan has never had a civil war. The closest is when back in the 70s, Palestinians moved and tried to either take over Jordan or create a breakaway state - this was called Black September. And their economy isn't complete shit and thus receive a heap of foreign aid and investment.
 
Not quite the part people took umbrage with. More that you thought that where on the page it was had any relation to anything, with the exception of maybe 3% less stickers right in the middle.
it's just starting to look a little desperate for attention in the middle of the politics thread.

these arent "pension" funds in the way you and I think of them , they are permanent spending accounts they use to generate usable revenue outside of taxpayer funding

I always feel free to ignore me if I become tiresome, I try not to insist upon myself
we want you to be a better poster, not someone we all ignore.

fellas, are you feeling like trump cheated to win when he's doing exactly what he said he would do?
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they're still doing this bury your head in the sand crap of pretending trump didn't win the popular vote and asking "why didn't anyone stop him from becoming president?"
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they were begging to be saved from the violent migrants and mentally ill men in dresses barging into womens' rooms dicks in hand.

this person's therapist tried to help them be rational, and they just branch off into a nearly non sequitur statement that isn't even accurate.
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it's starting to get comical to me how many of them outright 'deny the election' in a way that was labeled almost tantamount to treason 2 years ago.
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whenever these nutters start going on about elon, they never really explain what it is that's actually being done wrong.1739329967878.png
he's 'dismantling the departments' by... publicly displaying the information regarding their spending? if that's all it takes, they were barely an organization in the first place.
 
it's just starting to look a little desperate for attention in the middle of the politics thread.
Typically posts that get attention, at least for me, are not really intentional. Unless it’s organic you don’t really want attention on your post. It’s more so embarrassing if you try too hard.
 
these arent "pension" funds in the way you and I think of them , they are permanent spending accounts they use to generate usable revenue outside of taxpayer funding

I always feel free to ignore me if I become tiresome, I try not to insist upon myself
Dude, I love you, I even miss that other drunk post you made and regret putting a trash can on it, and I wish you hadn't deleted it because, even though I quoted it, no one will be able to see the image that went along with it, or the fact that you edited it after I replied to include a second image where you zoomed in on the woman's tits. But I am getting a chuckle from you saying you try not to insist on yourself after you've quoted like three of your own posts in the thread tonight to try to get them more attention.

Anyway, I'm just saying, your posts before didn't give enough context. Pretend I'm a retard (please) and explain to me what you're talking about with the pension funds in as much detail as possible. Now, if you can, not after you sober up, it'll be more fun.
 
You simply call an individual in and tell him he is no longer wanted, that you'll assist him in finding another job and will keep him around until such time as he finds other employment. But you do expect him to immediately relinquish his duties, accept reassignment to a make-shift position at his current grade and then quietly resign for the good of the service. Of course, you promise him that he will leave with honor and with the finest recommendations, a farewell luncheon, and perhaps even a Departmental award. You, naturally, point out that should he not accept such an offer, and he later is forced-to resign or retire through regular process or his .own volition, that his employment references from the Department and his permanent personnel record may not look the same as if he accepted your offer. There should be no witnesses in the room at the time. Caution: This technique should only be used for the timid at heart with a giant ego. This is an extremely dangerous technique and the very fact of your conversation can be used against the Department in any subsequent adverse action proceedings. It should never be used with that fervent, zealous employee committed to Democratic policies and programs, or to the bureaucracy, who might relish the opportunity to be martyred on the cross of his cause.
By carefully researching the background of the proposed employeevictim, one can always establish that geographical part of the country and/or organizational unit to which the employee would rather resign than obey and accept transfer orders. For example, if you have an employee in your Boston Regional Office, and his record shows reluctance to move far from that location (he may have family and financial commitments not easily severed), a transfer accompanied by a promotion to an existing or newly created position in Dallas, Texas might just fill the bill. It is always suggested that a transfer be accompanied with a promotion, if possible. Since a promotion is per se beneficial to the employee, it immediately forecloses any claim that the transfer is an adverse action. It also reduces the possibility of a claim that the transfer was motivated for prohibited purposes since, again, the transfer resulted in a beneficial action for the employee and the word discrimination implies some adversity to have been suffered. It is also important that you carefully check your organizational charts to insure that not only is there no reduction in grade, but no reduction in status... Transfers must also be presented as necessary for "the efficiency of the service." It is, therefore, necessary that the position to which the person is being transferred fits in with his current job experience or his past responsibilities. The technical assistance of your personnel office is indispensable in prosecuting such transfers. But there is no reason why they cannot artfully find, or create, the necessary position that will satisfy the transfer requirements necessary to cause the prospective transferee to be confronted with the choice of being transferred to a position he does not want or resigning. Of course, one can sweeten the potion by privately assuring the proposed transferee, upon delivery of his transfer notification, that should he refuse the transfer, and resign, that his resignation will be accepted without prejudice. Further, he may remain for a period until he finds other employment and leave with the highest honors and references.

this shit is genius. good stuff starts at page 72
 
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