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Ziz / Jack Amadeus LaSota / Zizians / sinceriously.fyi - Vegan AI Singularity Doomsday Cult turned Tranny Manson Family. Implicated in at least 6 deaths.
It's small potatoes compared to the rest of this insanity, but I recognize the name Fluttershy from their infamous LessWrong post about how cutting off your balls is totally rational. Not surprised that they ended up joining a tranny death cult.
Castration to prolong life by avoiding infections because testosterone suppresses immunity = rational
Washing your hands after using the bathroom everytime to prolong life by avoiding infections because germs = get out my room, mom
Castration to prolong life by avoiding infections because testosterone suppresses immunity = rational
Washing your hands after using the bathroom everytime to prolong life by avoiding infections because germs = get out my room, mom
The article goes over how the greatest life extension was seen when males were castrated before puberty and there are actually people discussing doing this int he comments. One commenter suggests the possibility of piggy backing off the trans children treatment to use puberty blockers until age 18 when castration could be confirmed for a hypothetical male child. I don't think these posters are serious about doing it but their willingness to entertain it in these ways speaks a lot about how their culture operates. I also dont understand what the logic is of increasing your child’s lifespan by removing their ability to have any sort of normal life or have children but these are transhumanists we are talking about.
The article goes over how the greatest life extension was seen when males were castrated before puberty and there are actually people discussing doing this int he comments. One commenter suggests the possibility of piggy backing off the trans children treatment to use puberty blockers until age 18 when castration could be confirmed for a hypothetical male child. I don't think these posters are serious about doing it but their willingness to entertain it in these ways speaks a lot about how their culture operates. I also dont understand what the logic is of increasing your child’s lifespan by removing their ability to have any sort of normal life or have children but these are transhumanists we are talking about.
The only study that examined the effect which age at orchiectomy had on the life expectancy gains from castration in humans was Hamilton and Mestler's study of mentally retarded, institutionalized individuals. Note that the participants in Hamilton & Mestler's study lived shorter lives than non-institutionalized Americans of the same era lived, which could likely be explained by the mentally retarded status of the participants, and the plausibly poor conditions under which participants might have lived. In Figure 4 and Table 10 from Hamilton and Mestler's paper, it is shown that males castrated between 15 and 40 years of age live longer than intact males, but that within this range, earlier castrations added more years to the life expectancy of eunuchs than later castrations did.
And here I assumed they were lifting that "data" from historical anecdotes about eunuchs - I really hate it here.
So, all in all, they found correlation between having no testosterone and longer life expectancy, great.
What about those brittle bones? Oh, yeah, right, those guys were probably chained to radiators in their own filth to begin with, not much of a "work day" to go through - great sample group.
Nice to know that "rationalists" find use in the these "studies" which might as well have been from 1940s germany... so rational...
No, no; it's absolutely true. Alice Monday is probably one of the most intense personalities in this whole menagerie; they've got all sorts of obvious "I was abused as a child" tells and respond with aggression and violence to practically everything. The only real difference between them and Ziz is that Alice can't stay calm long enough to build enough resources or credit to wind up anywhere where they could do real damage.
Also, they are absolutely not "one of Yudkowsky and Siskind’s BPD groupies who does community engagement shit for MIRI"; they showed up in 2014ish, tried to be this, pissed EVERYONE off, and basically got banned from almost everywhere.
Think of them as a sort of proto-Ziz that never really reached full activation and never developed a following due to being genuinely that difficult to work with.
Nothing really new here, and his hypotheses after the synopsis are bland and somewhat wrong.
The people in question were primed to look for cult leaders by CFAR, which was operating essentially as a "cult incubator" without realizing it; CFAR became a cult incubator both by concealing its actual purpose (a talent and funding funnel for MIRI), and by incorporating "psychological technology" developed by Leverage Research (a Peter Thiel-funded think tank, explicitly built to "keep an eye on MIRI and CFAR", but with the overt goal of creating new philosophical and psychological techniques for "unlocking human potential". These "techniques" predictably evolved into something like "Scientology without the E-Meter", but I'm sure if they hadn't been cut off by Thiel and then cancelled by Aella (for unrelated reasons), they would have eventually started using some kind of trans-cranial electromagnetic devices, which their members were frequently playing with but never got to the level of official experimentation.
There's probably like, 10 pages' worth of stuff worth talking about with Leverage, but I'd rather other people talk about it than risk overexposing myself.
He went to the Bay Area with absolutely no street smarts. At one point, he got punched in the head by a bum and attributed it to her being a Christofascist, because he can't tell what schizophrenia is:
In San Francisco, I was punched in the back of the head by a homeless woman for defying her christian proselytization (I said “hail satan”).
He couldn't afford rent, so he ended up living in a boat in the Encinal Basin at the time. Met LaSota at CFAR meeting in October 2016. Became a rationalist because he was upset his cat died and he started becoming obsessed with curing death, which lead to him getting involved in rationalism and getting convinced that computers can save or destroy the world. He's also an otherkin, and convinced he will become a dragon after the AI singularity.
In October, I talked to someone introducing themself as “Jasper Gwenn” at a meetup, in some sort of confusion over whether they were a trans woman. [...] They (and I use they/them pronouns retrospectively, because they are bigender) showed me the sailboat they were in the course of moving onto for housing, which was anchored in Encinal Basin. I thought that was pretty sweet. [...]They talked about how when they were a child their friend who was a cat had died, and they had, to use their own retroactive paraphrasing, sworn an oath of vengeance against Death. [...] Investigated biotech, then AGI they say would have destroyed the world, finally hearing about the AI alignment problem coming to the Bay Area to talk to people in the cause area. They also told me about how they were otherkin, specifically dragonkin, not in a supernatural way, but a morphological freedom way. They showed me a dragon-shaped necklace, and said it was a reminder of how they would turn into a dragon after the singularity. And eat their human body, since that seemed like the most fitting way to dispose of it.[...]They said they’d asked to be a girl when they were a young child, and been turned down. They talked a lot about precursor ideas to aliveness a lot. Said they hated sex and seeing animals have sex, and automatic actions like that seemed like a spark of personhood going out. That sounded familiar. I impermanently convinced them they were a trans woman.
They seemed to think animals were moral patients, had determination and actual course-changing and epistemology. Okay, I liked this person. I told them that if they could be turned to the dark side, they would make a powerful ally. They were into this and asked me questions to try and learn out my mental tech. This would go on for quite some time. Rationalist Fleet
Being an otherkin and a furry heavily influenced his philosophy, as you can see in his transhumanist schizobabble essay where he talks about how humans are spiritually lemurs:
Also a chunk of our social machinery evolved during this period of time, which you can tell by looking at lemurs. They are very merp.
Since our divergence point with lemurs, we seem to have evolved a lot of social modules, and some new things have added to our concept of ourselves, including being furless, tailless, bipedal, tall, and snoutless. But the old machinery seems to still be present, sort of overlaid on / meshed with the new.
The human interest in cats, foxes, and wolves345; the way that furries dress up and the artwork they draw; and therians all seem to be cases where humans intuited this part of their evolutionary history without really knowing what it came from. The emotions and social modules that furries are known for also are maybe/probably ones that evolved during the same time period.
An anthropomorphic mammal seems like a valid way of trying to project the human self-concept including sensorimotor body map, visual modules, and social modules into a 3D form.
There is some sense in which I’m supposed to have light grey fur (?) and a snout, and somehow to both be small and able to jump onto trees and be large like I currently am. When I was a child and therefore smaller, I was able to move with more agility, and that may have come in part from my innate body map being tuned to that body size.6 Lemurs and the True Human Form
LaSota and Danielson had a lot of similar ideals, but they were also similar in being delusional autists with no social skills, leading to frequent slapfights:
I talked to Jasper for several hours a day. About transness, about neuroscience, about their old crazy plans to save the world (breed superintelligent dogs), about mine, about the ferret named Nova they considered their son, whom they had given to a pet store after deciding training ferrets was not the optimal course. Changed their mind, and tried to find him again so he could be cryopreserved, and it had been too late.
Me and Jasper Gwenn argued over roommate difficulties. They had ADHD and autism. They were very particular about influence of things most people would ignore on their cognition. They had to have an uninterrupted wake-up process of some hours after they woke up shortly after noon. They slept way longer than 9 hours. They had mapped out the cognitive effects of each hour of their stimulants. And would get very angry if I interrupted their thoughts at the wrong time. Like it would ruin their whole day.
In November 2017, he legally filed for gender and name change from Jasper to Gwen. He did pretty much nothing else to transition, but just bothering to file paperwork makes him a higher effort tranny than LaSota.
Danielson was responsible for a lot of the more 'mystical' aspects of Zizianism, such as the concept of separate personalities on each hemisphere of the brain and using 'unihemispheric sleep' to awaken them.
Towards the end of Rationalist Fleet, Gwen began following a certain course of investigation. “Partial sleep.” They told me, and did a presentation at the 2017 CFAR alumni reunion about Mental tech to let parts of your brain do REM sleep without the rest. On a granularity of slots of working memory.
The hemisphere theory I believe is not primarily my work, but Gwen’s.[....]
A larger one, among about a hundred: “The Left hemisphere tends to be the male one in bigender humans and the right hemisphere tends to be the female one.”
Only in transitioning amab bigender people. My guess is if you count amab bigender eggs it’s probably 50/50. Transitioning afab bigender people seem (small data set) to be the opposite. I specifically speculated in the post where I said that about how I suspect rh has an advantage in the internal conflict over a bucket error of humans without enough bits of escape beyond social reality to conceptualize two genders in them.
I mean, again not to give the false impression this is exhaustive rather than randomly jumping around, this is also mixing in a whole new undead type, presumably your theory. And my stumbling into UHS while keeping watch was not the discovery of UHS. I recognized it because Gwen already discovered it and told me about it.
Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare
He also demonstrates 'facial burn-in', where you can tell what personality is in control of each side of your brain by your facial expressions:
Named after “burn-in” on computer displays which makes them continue to display a residual image of things they spent enough of their lifetime displaying. But with faces and facial expressions. Infohazardous examples here. Consider them (if you dare), and then consider how much information that means you can tell about who someone is based on their face if you are unbiased in your evaluation when you don’t have a scientific control like that.
Glossary Burn-in 1, Burn-in 2
He believed this showed his two personalities: 'Char' and 'Astria'. (This is also the reason for his goofy haircut, each 'personality' needs a different hairstyle, right?)
Char & Astria
Char: left hemi, altruistic human utility function class, male
Astria: right hemi, self-interested human utility function class, female
Char & Astria
Frankly though, I think he just liked doodling on his face.
Danielson was the one who taught LaSota how to sail, which would come in handy years later when LaSota faked his death. Danielson had the idea to make a housing project on the bay, called Rationalist Fleet. They eventually got a tugboat they called Caleb in Ketchikan, Alaska, with the help of another rationalist named Dan Powell.
Gwen was scouting for a potential housing project. House 6 SF programmers in a boat in Richardson Bay. That would be badass. Holy shit. The name on the transom was “The Rapture”, in faded paint. I joked if we bought it we could refresh that paint, then cross it out, and write, “The Singularity”. I guess “Black Swan” would be a cool name for a sailboat too, especially if you could like dye the sails black.
We didn’t buy Pacific Hunter, we changed course for a tugboat, Caleb, in Ketchikan, because the price was dropping.
[...] <String of emergencies for 1 month, Gwen yelling at me, Jane defecting, marinas defecting, somehow pulling through>
<I recruited crew for Caleb, we bought it, we repaired it, we drove it down the coast. Dan threatened physical violence. Left at the end. Left us in boat hell. Months to dig out, get 3 damaged sailboats secure. Prevent Caleb from sinking. Perpetual ocean machine, unable to dock.>
Rationalist Fleet
But they were incompetent at actually maintaining the ship, Dan Powell ended up bailing, and they frequently ended up damaging other ships in the harbor:
Within days, LaSota found willing passengers from the broader rationalist community. Among the five crew members was Dan Powell, a Navy veteran with general nautical mechanical experience. Another was a PhD candidate in computer science at UC Berkeley, who asked not to be named.
Powell said he met LaSota and Danielson through rationalist online groups, and became convinced that their Rat Fleet was a good investment opportunity. “The plan was initially to get a boat, move it into a livable slip inside San Francisco and then essentially rent it out as housing for a combination of ideological reasons and financial gain,” Powell recalled in an interview.
Powell bought the boat with LaSota and Danielson. And on July 20, 2017, the Caleb ventured into the chilly Pacific.
He left about four weeks into the journey, deboarding in Washington and taking a Greyhound bus home. Powell said he departed almost immediately after docking in the Bay Area, returning to work in New Mexico. He cut ties with Danielson and LaSota shortly thereafter. Overall, Powell estimated that he sank tens of thousands of dollars into the project — and recouped none.
“The entire endeavor,” he said, “seems to have been a total loss.”
Almost as soon as the Caleb entered the Pillar Point Harbor in the summer 2017, its crew ran into trouble, leading to the San Mateo County Harbor District filing a lawsuit against Danielson and Powell. The first time the U.S. Coast Guard boarded the tugboat for an inspection, the agency warned Danielson about the dangers of anchoring the dilapidated vessel, which carried 3,000 gallons of diesel fuel.
Danielson signed papers acknowledging her obligations under the Clean Water Act. But neighbors had already lodged complaints about the Caleb being docked illegally and storing 500 gallons of oily bilge water, court records show.
The Coast Guard called the boat “an imminent threat to the public health” and ordered the owners to finalize a mitigation plan. Rough seas in winter 2017 sent the tug into other anchored vessels, damaging them, the lawsuit stated.
By December 2017, Danielson had registered two more boats at Pillar Point Harbor, including the Islander that she and LaSota once shared and a boat called the Letoile de Mer. Over the next year, the vessels all faced anchor problems, and other harbor tenants raised concerns that the massive tug might ram them, harbor officials said.
A former employee at the harbor, who asked to remain anonymous out of concerns for his safety, described the vessel as less than seaworthy and its “shabby” crew as a nuisance.
“Feral humans we called them,” the employee said. “They’re just living, trying to get away with whatever they can under the wire. Most harbors have them, harbor rats that are just living the alternative lifestyle.”
When the employee boarded the vessel to inspect it, he said the living quarters were a “mess.” He recalled seeing sex toys and lingerie in “plain view” in one of the bunkrooms. “It was filthy,” he said. “They weren’t hiding anything, that’s for sure.”
Danielson decided the boat idea wasn't practical, and decided to move his focus to 'slackmobiles'. They moved into RVs on a vacant lot on Curtis Linds' property around 2019.
At some point, Danielson decided that it would be better for her community to live in what she called on her blog “well-outfitted stealth RVs” rigged with solar power. She recommended equipping an RV or box truck with the amenities of an apartment, plus extra items like a water-purification system, “yeast algae and bacteria bioreactors to create food” and “materials for aldehyde-stabilized cryopreservation.”
Well-outfitted stealth RVs designed for logistical autonomy and slack.
Done correctly, they provide first-world or zeroth-world living conditions that are free from paying rent, and can be parked anywhere, while not drawing the attention that a normal RV would.
Slackmobiles
A friend of Lind's said Danielson asked him to buy a gun for him.
Lind’s friend, Patrick McMillan, was much more suspicious of members of the group, who would sometimes walk around the property nude. He testified later that Danielson was the “mouthpiece” of the group and, in their first conversation, asked McMillan to buy her a gun. “She said she was in some sort of litigation and she was having problems with it,” McMillan said.
In November 2019, Danielson and LaSota were banned from a meeting of CFAR, and decided to protest. They, Alexander Leatham and Amir Borhanian put on Guy Fawkes masks, Sith Robes, and got walkie-talkies and pepper spray and blocked off the only exit to the outdoor camp where the meeting was being held. They did this right as a children's group was doing a rope exercise course. Staff were understandably alarmed at a bunch of masked men concealing objects under their robes trying to close off the only escape route, and called the police for a suspected potential shooting. Police deployed SWAT, and the Zizians insisted on chimping out and fighting the officers.
Four freaky souls with an apparent vendetta against the Berkeley-based Center for Applied Rationality (CFAR) donned V for Vendetta-style Guy Fawkes masks as they blockaded the entrance to a retreat venue the group was using for an alumni weekend on Friday.
This all happened in the woods of Occidental, at the Westminster Woods camp on Bohemian Highway. And much like protesters of yore used to picket the entrance of nearby Bohemian Grove during its annual summer gathering of powerful men and politicians, these protesters seemed to have vague ideas about the evils about the seven-year-old CFAR's larger intents in the world.
As the Chronicle reports, via Sonoma County Sheriff's spokesperson Misti Wood, four individuals were arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment, conspiracy, and felony child endangerment, as well as wearing a mask while committing a crime and trespassing (both misdemeanors). Two of those people had no known addresses, and appeared to be transients. The four suspects are 28-year-old Jack Lasota of Berkeley; 28-year-old Emma Borhanian of Albany; 25-year-old Gwen Danielson; and 24-year-old Alexander Leatham. Wood said that the group spoke incoherently when they were being detained, and deputies had to use fingerprints in trying to identify them.
[...]
At Westminster Woods over the weekend, CFAR was hosting an alumni weekend retreat for its devotees, which included previous workshop attendees along with their families. And as the Chronicle reports, some of the drama on Friday with the arrested protesters was that they arrived in these scary-looking masks, hooded robes, and black rubber gloves just as a bunch of kids were out on the grounds on a ropes course. A rumor went out that one of the individuals had a gun, but no weapon was found. The group was nonetheless difficult to detain, and were reportedly shouting profanities at officers and being unruly.
Sheriff's deputies found a protest plan and a flyer with some kind of manifesto on it, but the reason for blockading the venue with three vehicles (including a box truck and a shuttle bus) were unclear. The flyer said, in part, "CFAR does not do remotely what they claim to do on their website: they do not appreciably develop novel rationality/mental tech. CFAR’s founding premise (that people were blocked in having the tools to think) was falsified long ago."
CFAR organizers say that two of the arrested individuals were known to them, and had been told in the past not to come to their events.
[...]
As for calling in a SWAT team and shutting down four miles of highway, helicopter patrol and all, the Sheriff's Department just says it was being cautious. "We were taking the most precautions possible because this can be really dangerous when you’re dealing with people who are hiding their identities," Wood says.
The lawsuit alleges the four people were exercising their free speech when a Westminster Woods staffer told police the protesters had a gun. They claim they had no weapons, but the 911 call led to a SWAT team response and the lockdown, which affected two dozen school children on a ropes course.
Deputy Ricks arrested all four and the lawsuit alleges he inappropriately touched Lasota, who is transgender. The suit alleges Ager, as the supervising deputy, failed to intervene.
A Sheriff’s Office spokesman said Tuesday that the office could not comment on pending litigation. Efforts to reach Westminster Woods leaders were not successful.
Once the protesters were brought to the Sonoma County Jail, they allege their treatment worsened. They were deprived of food, water and medication in order to coerce a confession, their attorney said. “One or more had to wear hoods like the Abu Ghraib prison style for no purpose other than to torture them,” Friedman said.
Lasota, while in custody, was “stripped naked, and mocked and ridiculed for being transgender,” the lawsuit alleges.
Meanwhile, the Caleb was falling into disrepair. They had apparently completely abandoned her, and the county tried to sue to get Danielson to pay for salvage, to no avail.
Back at Pillar Point, the Caleb‘s troubles mounted. In 2021, San Mateo County authorities determined the boat was no longer seaworthy and ordered the owners to remove it. No owner responded and its anchor continued to drag. Then in early 2022, winter storms tossed the boat around the harbor, endangering other vessels. No one responded to radio calls to the Caleb, the district alleged in a lawsuit.
The night of March 12, 2022, Danielson and her crew moved the Caleb to the harbor’s work dock, but staff explained the boat was too large to be there, harbor officials said. “Danielson and crew got into a vehicle and drove off and have not been seen at (Pillar Point Harbor) or near the Caleb since,” the harbor district’s lawsuit stated.
The Caleb had been abandoned. The harbor district, records show, wound up paying a marine salvage company to remove hazardous materials from the boat and anchor it away from the dock.
Meanwhile, in August 2022, LaSota and Danielson decided that the lawsuit was getting tedious, and decided to get out of it by faking their deaths. LaSota had a more elaborate plan involving faking a boat accident, Danielson just spread a rumor that he killed himself.
In a January 2023 motion to withdraw from the civil rights case, Friedman wrote that he had not heard from LaSota in a year. He said his client’s mother and criminal defense attorney informed him that LaSota had died. Friedman wrote in the same declaration that he heard a “rumor” that another defendant in the Sonoma County case, Gwen Danielson, “may have committed suicide,” and that he also had not heard from her in a year.
In an interview, Friedman told Open Vallejo that a Pennsylvania state trooper later informed him that a witness reportedly saw Danielson in late 2022 or early 2023 retrieving belongings from the Vallejo property where she had been living with LaSota and others.
In a January 2023 motion to withdraw from the civil rights case, Friedman wrote that he had not heard from LaSota in a year. He said his client’s mother and criminal defense attorney informed him that LaSota had died. Friedman wrote in the same declaration that he heard a “rumor” that another defendant in the Sonoma County case, Gwen Danielson, “may have committed suicide,” and that he also had not heard from her in a year.
In an interview, Friedman told Open Vallejo that a Pennsylvania state trooper later informed him that a witness reportedly saw Danielson in late 2022 or early 2023 retrieving belongings from the Vallejo property where she had been living with LaSota and others.
Friedman said in the interview he does not know whether Danielson is alive, adding that people sometimes do irrational things when facing a possible criminal conviction.
“I have no reason to say this is what happened,” Friedman said when asked why his former clients might fake their deaths. “But when I try to piece these things together, that’s kind of the only thing that makes sense — that something scared them.”
Danielson has had only sporadic contact with her father, Brett Danielson, over the past several years and last spoke to him around the holidays, he told the Chronicle. Her father said she is living “completely under the radar,” apparently out of fear for her life.
“We are dealing with highly intelligent people who know how to track somebody down if they want to,” he said.
“If any one of them wants to do somebody harm, they are going to do anything they can do to track them down.”
Brett Danielson said his daughter split from others in the group years ago for reasons that are unclear, possibly after someone made threats of violence. Given the events in Vallejo and Vermont, he fears she has been harmed.
I don't think these posters are serious about doing it but their willingness to entertain it in these ways speaks a lot about how their culture operates
I think a noticeable part of their culture includes "Look at how big-R Rational I am, I can decouple concepts and abandon preconceived notions so well that I can argue in support of this absolutely insane thing." But (1) there's so much faddishness and worship of specific personalities and (2) so many real autists that can't tell it's a social ploy, that you end up with people who can't or wont pump the breaks and remember these are actually insane ideas.
While I can’t find any evidence of that alias ever being used, and LWers have a rocky reputation for fact-finding (the following is partly false; Suri Dao is at least a legal enough name to stand trial under),
On November 13th, 2022, Somni, Emma, and someone I don’t know using the name “Suri Dao” (not their legal name) got into a violent conflict with their landlord when they found out he was planning to have them evicted by force.
Andy Ngo specifically does seem to have a source with insider information on when Jack, while a fugitive in late 2023, was shacking up with Bauckholt — so it’s definitely possible that “Andrea” was an alias that Jack used exclusively in-person for opsec — i.e., probably worth adding to the list.
The lawyer Jack used in his 2019 arrest readily admits that he has not had any contact since Jack faked his death in 2022 and has no idea of Jack’s location; however the lawyer Jack used in his January 2023 arrest is still doing his job and playing coy about whether Jack’s dead or still fleeing his warrants (don’t bother reading the attached press release; it’s literally a waste of 30 seconds).
I’ll bet even money that all he’s been doing since August 2023 is sending Jack one e-mail a year saying “for fuck’s sake, turn yourself in already.”
Alexander Leatham and Suri Dao are both scheduled for trial kinda soonish, definitely worth keeping an eye on:
Case
Date/Time
Type
Location
VCR240529 People vs. Alexander Jeffrey Leatham;
VCR240530 People vs. Suri Dao;
F24-02408 People vs. Alexander Jeffrey Leatham
02/19/2025 01:30 PM
Trial Confirmation - & motion to consolidate
Solano Justice Building (Vallejo)
DPT 23 (John B. Ellis)
Room 101
VCR240529 People vs. Alexander Jeffrey Leatham;
VCR240530 People vs. Suri Dao;
03/14/2025 08:30 AM
Trial Management Conference
Solano Justice Building (Vallejo)
DPT 23 (John B. Ellis)
Room 101
VCR240529 People vs. Alexander Jeffrey Leatham;
VCR240530 People vs. Suri Dao;
04/02/2025 08:30 AM
Jury Trial
Solano Justice Building (Vallejo)
DPT 23 (John B. Ellis)
Room 101
I met almost all of the people whose names are likely to come up, here. I was, as they say, "deep in the belly of the beast". I'm maintaining anonymity for opsec reasons on both sides -- there's a lot of specific stuff that would "show my power level" if I talked about but still needs to be talked about, so I'm trying to figure out how to do it without getting a samurai sword through my chest by the cluster-B trans brigade, mobbed to death by CNC onlyfans fluffers, or blackballed from employment by Thiel-adjacent sociopaths.
I totally understand that there is a real possibility that you might be hunted by tranny assassination squads for saying too much. What I was hoping you could hep with is just giving a general explanation of MIRI/CFAR drama in plain English, because everyone involved has to write 10,000 words when 10 will do.
There was something about at girl named Elizabeth Morningstar (Who's pooned out now and going by Eli) sleeping with a bunch of CFAR guys when she was underage, then some guy marrying her to shut her up?
I mean, it's pretty clear that the Zizians were less concerned about sexual abuse so much as they wanted to tear down CFAR.
You see Jasper clearly regretting his life choices, but also being too proud to admit he made a mistake:
CFAR is located in a particularly toxic area with (one of) the highest housing prices in the world, pays salaries accordingly, and draws many people to that area due to massively misrepresenting what they do. I have seen several people’s lives slowly fall apart because of moving here because of MIRICFAR, in particular transfems. I can’t express in words the sadness and motive to fight that it gave me to see what has happened to Lorelei and Kali. I don’t think they will ever heal back to where they were, and it was avoidable! Promising young STEM people reduced to living in a bed sized region of trash, and taking sedatives to block out the pain of trauma, one of them wishing she had retrograde amnestics like in SCP.
Case study: CFAR
"I've seen way too many people throw away their potential and end up as pathetic hoboes....Not me, though, I'm going to turn things around any day now."
And Jack clearly is just seething over not being allowed to sit at the cool kid's table:
"I RUINED YOUR DUMB PARTY SCREW YOU ROASTIE!"
In Ziz's circle, Fluttershy definitely was one, Slime took his name Octavia from a pony, and Alice Monday used a pony profile picture on several sites.
Alice Monday (one of Yudkowsky and Siskind’s BPD groupies who does community engagement shit for MIRI) reportedly physically attacked both Borhanian and Zajko while they were roommates. Could be helpful lore/context if Zajko ends up in the news more.
See, this is definitely a case where the truth is hard to ascertain. Zajko accused Leatham and Borhanian of exaggerating Monday's abuse to gain favor with LaSota, and since she claimed that LaSota tried to threaten her into killing Monday, she probably may have a point.
At the same time, everyone involved with this group seems unstable and violent, so I also think him being a psycho is very believable.
The article goes over how the greatest life extension was seen when males were castrated before puberty and there are actually people discussing doing this int he comments. One commenter suggests the possibility of piggy backing off the trans children treatment to use puberty blockers until age 18 when castration could be confirmed for a hypothetical male child. I don't think these posters are serious about doing it but their willingness to entertain it in these ways speaks a lot about how their culture operates. I also dont understand what the logic is of increasing your child’s lifespan by removing their ability to have any sort of normal life or have children but these are transhumanists we are talking about.
Rationalists believe that any day now they're going to find a cure for death and people will live forever. Under that logic, it makes perfect sense to destroy your body to live a few years longer to maximize your chances of having your consciousness uploaded to a supercomputer where you will live forever as a cyber godking.
As for reproduction, I've heard people claim that rationalists are pro-natalist, but for every one of them having kids to 'save the world', I've seen one claiming that the desire to reproduce is a base instinct for lower lifeforms, and tons like Aella Martin who are interested in having children as an abstract concept but don't want to do anything that involves hard work or sacrifice ("Getting pregnant, giving birth and raising a baby? Gross! Can't I just get a surrogate and a nanny and visit the kid on weekends?").
And here I assumed they were lifting that "data" from historical anecdotes about eunuchs - I really hate it here.
So, all in all, they found correlation between having no testosterone and longer life expectancy, great.
What about those brittle bones? Oh, yeah, right, those guys were probably chained to radiators in their own filth to begin with, not much of a "work day" to go through - great sample group.
Nice to know that "rationalists" find use in the these "studies" which might as well have been from 1940s germany... so rational...
Troons ignoring glaring flaws in data as long as it proves their point? How scandalous!
I keep having a problem with the formatting in the OP.
I keep having two spoiler tabs show up under the tranny samurai attack section, and no matter how many times I edit the brackets, its keeps showing up. It's a minor thing but it's annoying.
Socialist snark podcast "Chapo Trap House" has released a new episode, apparently featuring talk about the Zizians. I have not listened to it - there is a chance that they might just be commenting on TrueAnon's take on the issue. Still posting for completeness.
Why are Trannies always so fuckin ugly? One of these rejects even has that eye looking off in the wrong direction thing going on.
So is the leader of this Transon Family Enjoying Prison, or is he still out on the streets?
This is why we need to reopen the asylums. A guy that gets so fucked in the head he wants to grow tits and cut his dick off is insane by definition. Insane people can be violent. These freaks are a fucking public health risk.
Difficulties in life being ascribed to one's sex instead of other factors, but again, these guys are "rationalists". So clearly they logic-ed their way into it.
Jedi Jack is still on the loose and wanted by the police, as is Michelle Zajko. That's what gets me about this whole case. How can you be a suspect in a double homicide and just be allowed to wander off?
This is why we need to reopen the asylums. A guy that gets so fucking in the head he wants to grow tits and cut his dick off is insane by definition. Insane people can be violent. These freaks are a fucking public health risk.
The thing is, being a tranny isn't even the most insane thing they believe, and their flavor of transgenderism is particularly weird: they believe that they're 'bigender' because they have separate personalities on each hemisphere of their brain that are different genders.
A lot of their crazy beliefs are rationalist/effective altruist beliefs, too. These are people who believe Skynet is going to be real any day now and will torture people in computer hell unless they get millions of dollars, and think feminists can't complain about rape unless they're vegan.
Sam Bankman-Fried was the last time an effective altruist criminal was in the headlines, and I'm betting there will be plenty more in the future.
Ziz was an active contributor to online rationalist forums like LessWrong and their own blog, which was filled with incomprehensible self-important jargon and video game analogies. There, they discussed saving the world through rationalism, using sociopathy to avoid being “pwnd” and fantasies about killing their abusers.
Also in Solano County jail is Alexander “Somni” Leatham. Although jail records identify the 29-year-old as male, Leatham identifies as female. Leatham was present at the Westminster Woods camp protest and is responsible for stabbing Lind in the torso with a sword, investigators said.
....And I've lost all sympathy already. If a guy is too goddamn lazy to even change his name, you don't have to play pretend with his pronouns. This case is confusing enough without you using his gay-ass "Somni" discord handle.
A later anonymous blog post accused Ziz of using the technique as a form of sleep deprivation to manipulate followers. The post alleged partial sleep was used on a Zizian in Poland named Maia Pasek, who was born Chris Pasek and transitioned later in life. A post from Pasek’s online alter ego, Squirrel in Hell, titled “Decision Theory and Suicide” has been referenced as a possible suicide note. A 28-year-old named Chris Pasek died in Slaskie, Poland, a few weeks later, although SFGATE could not confirm this was the same person.
It's been a pain trying to find information on Chris Pasek, and him being Polish would explain it. Felix Bauckholt's info was a little difficult to hunt down too, with him being German.
Around Jan. 15, Youngblut and German national Ophelia Bauckholt checked into the Newport City Inn and Suites in Vermont. The motel was about a 6-mile drive from a property owned by fellow Zizian Michelle Zajko. It’s not known if they intended to meet with Zajko, but motel workers did observe Youngblut and Bauckholt acting strangely. They wore all black, openly carried guns and wrapped their phones in aluminum foil. A motel worker alerted police to their suspicious behavior, prompting the pair to be put under surveillance.
On Jan. 20 — three days after Lind was killed in Vallejo — U.S. Border Patrol Agent David Maland pulled over the pair’s Toyota Prius. According to investigators, Bauckholt pulled out a gun, prompting a shootout that killed her and Maland. Youngblut was arrested and now faces assault charges in Vermont.
What drew Youngblut and Bauckholt to Vermont remains a mystery, as does Youngblut’s connection to LaSota and her current relationship with Snyder.
It appears she ended up in Chapel Hill, where an Airbnb owner rented a unit to her and a man whose identity is currently unknown. “They were always wearing black and in the back of my mind, this entire time, I’m just thinking, ‘What is going on with these people?’” the Airbnb owner told the Associated Press.
Named a plaintiff in the subsequent court case against Sonoma County, Danielson accused sheriff’s deputies of anti-trans abuse while she was in custody.
That suit ended in unusual fashion in 2023, when the group’s lawyer, Jerold Friedman, withdrew the case because three of his four clients were “definitely or possibly deceased.”
“I heard rumor that Gwen Danielson may have committed suicide,” Friedman said. “I have since attempted to contact Gwen Danielson by the same means that we usually communicate including by e-mail and phone approximately ten times.”
Her last known contact with her lawyer occurred on Jan. 21, 2022.
And they're promoting Danielson's suicide story, even though it's trivially easy to find eyewitness testimony placing him at the scene of squatter's camp in late 2022, proving his suicide as fake and gay.
It's crazy that someone with Danielson's background could wind up like this. I washed up in SF with no street smarts, as well, but you figure something out so you don't wind up living on a trash boat with homicidal trannies.
And I've lost all sympathy already. If a guy is too goddamn lazy to even change his name, you don't have to play pretend with his pronouns. This case is confusing enough without you using his gay-ass "Somni" discord handle.
I’ve followed this thing relatively closely, and outside of the ziz character I cannot keep track of anyone’s names. I think all but one are men using women names, then reporters selectively choose to refer to them as women and men depending on how retarded the journo is. Then there’s the aliases. It’s one real clusterfuck.
I was into to these EA / rationalist type spaces but yea it’s obviously incredibly deranged when they’re talking about 2 separate brains, the “singularity” and rabid veganism.
The transon family is hilarious. Gonna need to use that here on out.
