Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Fast and the Furious raking in billions of dollars for being dumb and safe and written up by committees
Capeshit I find really dumb because they try to inject their political messaging and ruin established IP they didn't create.
F&F is just the thinnest plots to justify ultra-rad car chases and crashes, but its is own IP - something with its own original characters and setting not a reboot or ripoff or helmed by a farthuffer working to subvert expectations. And I really cannot bother getting mad when they pull in a billion globally, but I think that's more about "I am reasonably entertained for 90 minutes and no one is preaching at me" putting it miles above the usual CURRENT YEAR film.
 
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Capeshit I find really dumb because they try to inject their political messaging and ruin established IP they didn't create.
F&F is just the thinnest plots to justify ultra-rad car chases and crashes, but its is own IP - something with its own original characters and setting not a reboot or ripoff or helmed by a farthuffer working to subvert expectations. And I really cannot bother getting mad when they pull in a billion globally, but I think that's more about "I am reasonably entertained for 90 minutes and no one is preaching at me" putting it miles above the usual CURRENT YEAR film.
yeah tbh I have a pretty healthy respect for the Fast And Furiouses
I'm not into cars but I can definitely see how if I'd love them if I did. I watch tons of crap that's similarly plots to justify robot fights and explosions so I can certainly get the idea of why they're fun movies even if they don't specifically push _my_ buttons
 
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"THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND! NOW THERE ARE TWO OF THEM!"
"We should have never made this bargain."

Capeshit I find really dumb because they try to inject their political messaging and ruin established IP they didn't create.
Capeshit's been doing that for decades. Almost a century, even. Most writers of capeshit comics even before the SJWs showed up were not the original makers; they just do what they can to leave their mark. Hence why you get out-of-character shit like Spidey trading his marriage to the devil just to give a dying Aunt May a few more years to live, Rogue getting the hots for an old man like Magneto, or Batman letting mass-murderers live, even though the OG Batman as the creator wanted him would've put them in the ground 5 seconds flat. They fucking killed Superman just as a ploy to gain attention-because the comics were falling behind in sales. Then they tried to appease an adult market by making comics into snuff films filled with gore and sex. Only to then pivot to the SJWs when the former failed to sell to a large audience like manga did.

Basically, take everything Disney did to Star Wars in the past decade or so; that's a microcosm of what capeshit companies have done to the properties they own.
 
Individual titles still shine depending on the talent behind them, but they're tethered to these half-baked comic book event storylines that derail whatever they’re trying to build. For the better part of two decades, every "event" has been an unmitigated disaster.

These events come with promises of lasting consequences, but all they really do is sabotage the books and leave the creative teams scrambling to make sense of it. It's a problem unique to comics, and one that's starting to feel more suffocating with each passing year.
 
the dude cannot write dialog, he's not very good at directing actors (and that's a nearly universal complaint). The OT is still mostly Lucas, but it wouldn't be as well remembered as it is if Lucas hadn't been made to accept changes made by others.

If some one makes delicious cakes but their buttercream icing tastes like rotten ass and they can't pipe flowers to save their lives, and was forced to allow someone else to handle these things its not inaccurate to say "that cake is only as good as it was because peope who were competent were allowed to fix the short the short comings of the chef", nor does that change that the chef made delicious cake and did the majority of the work.
George is a creative genius but even the best creatives out there can't do everything themselves. It's why the art direction on the PT is phenomenal, he shared the load. Same with why TCW turned out as great as it did. I wish the Jews didn't try to isolate him when he was making the PT because he wouldn't bow to the almighty unions.
 
Then avoid the DVD releases.

If you guys really want the original released in DVD or streaming format, make an official request to Disney. Garner enough votes so that they can notice you, and make a formal request. Since they own it now, Lucas can no longer plug his ears and ignore it. I'd have thought that the OT purists would've taken advantage of THAT particular opportunity, now that Lucas no longer owns Star Wars.

If people really wanted the original 1977 cut that badly, they'd have made that request the moment Lucas sold out to Disney, and they'd have campaigned for it. And since it doesn't step on anything SJW, Disney would've acceded to that request. Hell, Disney spent the mid-2010s trying to satisfy OT fans with TFA and Rogue One. Getting them to release the original 1977 cut of Star Wars would be the ultimate appeasement, and it would've made them heroes to the OT purists.

Instead, that's not what happened. People instead began to fanboy over the Prequels and rehabilitate Lucas' image despite him In Damnation Memoriae-ing the original 1977 cut of Star Wars. Nowadays, if you walk among Star Wars fans who were alive in the 2000s, and you try to shit on Lucas, expect a punch to the face.
In all fairness, the PT is far better than anyone gives it credit for. Also iirc it's in the contract that the original cuts can never be rereleased, same with the Holiday Special.
 
In all fairness, the PT is far better than anyone gives it credit for. Also iirc it's in the contract that the original cuts can never be rereleased, same with the Holiday Special.
And if I also recall, the deal stipulated that they'd use Lucas' Sequel Treatments. They didn't.

Individual titles still shine depending on the talent behind them, but they're tethered to these half-baked comic book event storylines that derail whatever they’re trying to build. For the better part of two decades, every "event" has been an unmitigated disaster.
My point exactly. Every time there's a spark of creativity, it gets smothered by these comic book events that exist as nothing more but attention-grabbing gas farts.

These events come with promises of lasting consequences, but all they really do is sabotage the books and leave the creative teams scrambling to make sense of it. It's a problem unique to comics, and one that's starting to feel more suffocating with each passing year.
It kills any chance of these stories developing independently, and at the end of the day, the events are retconned the moment it's convenient. It means that people lose interest when the events they saw are no longer canon.

Look at how the old SWEU handled things. Events such as Starkiller pulling down a Star Destroyer, Revan rediscovering his/her identity on the Leviathan, or Kyle Katarn's pupil defeating the great Marka Ragnos are part of Star Wars history. There's no retconning them before Disney showed up, and you were invested in these stories because they were part of a great tapestry. You can say the same thing about manga and anime; Goku turning into a Super Saiyan, Madara Uchiha coming back from the dead and decimating a whole army, and Lalah Sune dying at the hands of Amuro Ray, those events had an impact on series such as DBZ, Naruto, and UC Gundam.

People cared about these stories because they mattered. Hence why they had large fandoms, and when Disney "decanonized" the SWEU, people threw a fit and got mad. You know what the capeshit fans were saying when that happened? "Get used to it, comics get retconned all the time!" The capeshit fans were so used to bad storytelling, to the point where some of them got mad that SW fans were malding over the retcons, because the SWEU fans actually cared about the story, just as much as the manga and anime fans cared about the story for the IPs they loved, because their stories were mostly consistent.

You can't say the same thing about capeshit comics. One moment Batman has no problems killing bad guys, the next, he has a rat up his ass about not killing mass-murdering psychos, because if he does kill, he'll also turn into a mass-murdering psycho. One moment Superman can blow away planets, the next, some punk like Livewire can take him down without Kryptonite. People lose interest in a medium that actually punishes them for paying attention to details; so no shit, most capeshit fans left for the cartoons, movies, and video games based on these characters, because those are more consistent, as opposed to the comics themselves which were inconsistent as fuck.
 
And if I also recall, the deal stipulated that they'd use Lucas' Sequel Treatments. They didn't.

There was never an agreement that they had to use Lucas' treatments, however, buying the treatments with George to be retained as a creative consultant on the sequel trilogy made him think they intended to make them. Which is why he was so bitter and felt betrayed. It's worth remembering that it wasn't just the story treatment, Lucas had the art department up and running working on his sequels.

Also, I don't believe there's a stipulation that Disney can't release the Original version of Star Wars. They probably just aren't out of some respect for George and they respect will last seconds after he dies.

I'm sure when scanning the original prints to make the 4K special edition after Disney purchasedt Lucasfilm. They would have scanned everything they had, even what they didn't need for "digital archiving" reasons. Although maybe not.
 
There was never an agreement that they had to use Lucas' treatments, however, buying the treatments with George to be retained as a creative consultant on the sequel trilogy made him think they intended to make them. Which is why he was so bitter and felt betrayed. It's worth remembering that it wasn't just the story treatment, Lucas had the art department up and running working on his sequels.
He even resurrected Maul in TCW just to prepare for the Sequel Trilogy. Maul was meant to be the villain in Lucas' Sequel Trilogy.

Also, I don't believe there's a stipulation that Disney can't release the Original version of Star Wars. They probably just aren't out of some respect for George and they respect will last seconds after he dies.
The respect is odd, since they basically butchered the OT by making it worthless and having the OT characters outside of Lando and Leia become failures. They basically took Lucas' namesake character Luke and made him a coward and a useless bitch. Where was the respect then?
 
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There was never an agreement that they had to use Lucas' treatments, however, buying the treatments with George to be retained as a creative consultant on the sequel trilogy made him think they intended to make them. Which is why he was so bitter and felt betrayed. It's worth remembering that it wasn't just the story treatment, Lucas had the art department up and running working on his sequels.

Also, I don't believe there's a stipulation that Disney can't release the Original version of Star Wars. They probably just aren't out of some respect for George and they respect will last seconds after he dies.

I'm sure when scanning the original prints to make the 4K special edition after Disney purchasedt Lucasfilm. They would have scanned everything they had, even what they didn't need for "digital archiving" reasons. Although maybe not.
Are The reels for the OT even in good enough condition for that to be worthwhile?
 
I thought the added gut on Thrawn was weird. Lars Mikkleson, the guy playing him, is wicked slim.
I’m not trying to say that all Danes named Mikkelsen are interchangeable, but it’s honestly a missed opportunity that no one thought to cast Mads Mikkelsen as Admiral Thrawn, Instead, they stick him in the role of "dad who dies for plot reasons."

Star Wars fans are easy to please. They're so willing to toss out all their preconceptions about how these characters are supposed to act. Sure, let’s accept that Thrawn has been stuck on some planet for 70 years, and now he looks like chubby Commander Data. Thrawn had one job (be cerebral) and instead he stands around like stuffed shirt waiting to get clowned on by teenagers.

 
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Are The reels for the OT even in good enough condition for that to be worthwhile?

I doubt the Lucasfilm archives would not have reels of the original edit. I believe the best quality film they have archived doesn't exist as a reel of the finished film. It's the original film and original prints broken down into sections. Easier to archive and preserve this way. I'm sure they've kept everything.

When they remastered it in 4K they went back and rescanned everything from the originals and remastered it. Then added the special edition stuff which was probably just upscaled from 2K or whatever format they were done in. It looks great projected in 4k on the big screen. So much detail.

A proper theatrical release in 4K would require similar effort which is why it is not easy. They could do it. I would be surprised if they hadn't already scanned everything into digital formats by now for archiving purposes. It would just take time and money to put it together. It's probably only worth doing for prosperity's sake. Not a financial interest.

Yeah, the fans might very well be asking for the impossible outside of the VHS releases.

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