Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ghostse]

t's even suggested that some Arab or African serving Cheftain tanks could be applicable.

"Since Russia is deploying T-55s we just figured 'Why not just go ahead and run through every possible cold-war scenario?'"

 

[NewFagWhore]

Since this thread seems to be on a loop of "who is a bigger retard", I'd like to reiterate once more that this conflict (and the 2014 conflict, and the 2008 Georgian war) is directly the fault of European cucking, namely Germany - direct face of it would be Merkel, but shes just the head of the collective German retardation.
Europe did this, they have to pay for it.

 

[BradeRunna]

Do you seriously think that the US should deconstruct its global hegemony because the countries it subjugated aren't being nice enough? The corn syrup is actually making you people fucking retarded.

The only retard here is you and the rest of the European faggots. Either stop acting like a bunch of stupid faggots and kiss the ring or build a fucking army. You have two fucking choices. There is no third option for you fags.

That's true enough in that was the perception. European armies then were not at their Imperial interwar Expeditionary level, but were largely better equipped than now, before the ravages of the GHW Bush-Clinton peace dividend, but the Soviet Union was seen as formidable. Afghanistan exposed the limits of Soviet forces (who were a magnitude better than the present equivalent). The past three years saw the Black Sea Fleet destroyed destroyed by a mix of ship drones and near obsolete post Soviet Neptune missiles. On land a mix and thirty year old Euro-American tanks and artillery, 50s Hawk SAMs, Gulf War 1 Patriots, the French César the old reliables of T-64, T-72, T-80, T-82 (perhaps), BMP-1, BMP-3, Hinds etc and a force that verging on the middle aged. If UA can be brought to an impressive level since war start in 2014, Euro forces can surely be brought to a level where they can do it mostly by themselves in aiding Ukraine and providing a pmilitary backstop. Aid is already evens stevens or near it.

I hope the US tell Lavrov to go take a running jump if they seek the lifting of sanctions, but there seems to be a pandering tone to those turd world losers. Again we will see.

The thing with Afghanistan is that the Soviets were taken out of comfort zone. They were trained to fight in Europe against conventional Western forces. Not fighting an insurgency in a mountainous third world shithole. The Soviets actually had to learn along the way. Eisenhower actually warned people about the MIC. That the Soviets were never really a threat. It was mostly something pushed by the media here in the US. Here the Russians are in Ukraine and they can't even take the country. Evenb before they received a bunch of modern western weapons the Russians were being pushed back with just the old Soviet stuff the Ukrainians have had for decades. All through this I see no questioning the money we have spent on the military over the decades. The US basically has no real enemies that are a true threat.

The BMP-1 was put into service in the mid 1960's so it would definitely be middle aged.

 

[Ghostse]

Since this thread seems to be on a loop of "who is a bigger retard", I'd like to reiterate once more that this conflict (and the 2014 conflict, and the 2008 Georgian war) is directly the fault of European cucking, namely Germany - direct face of it would be Merkel, but shes just the head of the collective German retardation.
Europe did this, they have to pay for it.

If we want to go back to who really let Putin think he'd able to get away with it, that'd be the fault of France (and also Merkel's Germany) for letting Russia get away scott-free with occupying the Ossetia region of Georgia in 2008.
Of course Putin got the idea from no one stopping Yeltsin from trying (and failing) to retake Chechnya, and how swimmingly everything went after setting up a false-flag attack on Russia and succeeding in taking over a divided Chechnya. And that's largely on Clinton, i guess also technically Dubya for not stopping it, but everything was so fucked up in Chechnya at that point I'm not faulting him nor the EU for standing by and letting that happen (except as a "in perfect highsight" thing).

There is no third option for you fags.

Sure there is. Learn to speak Russian.
I would say "Mandarian" but lol at China actually trying to protect the EU even if they full CCP-cucked

That the Soviets were never really a threat.

Sort of. They were for a time.
You are correct in what you imply in that Russia's force projection has always been garbage.
I did a long post about this a while back but up until, effectively, the F-15, Russia did pose a threat to the US. their ICBMs were fake and gay, but they had bombers that could reach the US - even if it was a 1-way trip/trip to cuba - and upthrough the 60s there wasn't a great counter to high-altitude bombers. You had guns, you had SAMs, and you had dedicaed high-flying interceptors, but those were not reliable especially against massed formations; guns weren't very accurate/effective, same for SAMs at the time, and before the F-15 interceptors were only able to get to altitude, get a lock, launched and then they were done. Once the F-15 took to the sky, there was now a dedicated fighter that could match a bomber's envelope and stay in that envelope long enough to do real damage with missles and guns.
Nuke bombers was the real immediate,direct threat.

The USSR posed a longer term threat/indirect threat if they could take over Europe and would have access to the population and resources. Russia was also all about exporting global communism and there was a good chance the US would end up isolated in a bad way if they didn't take steps to counter Russian expansionism.

But it would have taken decades for a "red dawn" situation where Russia posed a direct, military threat to the US.

 

[World in Scarlet]

I see that the MAGA cultists are still shitting up the thread with their retardation, since they cannot cope with how obviously incompetent and America-harming their Dear Leader is acting.

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[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

The only retard here is you and the rest of the European faggots. Either stop acting like a bunch of stupid faggots and kiss the ring or build a fucking army.

Why would you want for a union of countries that is economically and militarily subjugated by you to build an independent army? It took much effort and resources to make Europe wholly dependent on the USA and it is not in your best interest to reverse that. A reliant EU without any military aspirations should be most desirable for US' foreign policy because it only strengthens your hegemony. Why risk giving rise to a geopolitical rival again after the mistakes you made with China? Anyways, American isolationism is retarded and MacArthur had the right idea of how foreign policy should look like.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Some positive news; a rare blue flag on the map:

Ukrainian military had fully controlled Pischane village south to Pokrovsk

Ukraine recaptures frontline village amid signs of slowing Russian advance
Pischane in Donetsk back under Kyiv’s control as Zelenskyy renews call for fighting to end ‘with a just and lasting peace’
Luke Harding in Kyiv
Sun 16 Feb 2025

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[National Defense Advocate]

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Bullshit, I got jannied just the other week.

 

[World in Scarlet]

Bullshit, I got jannied just the other week.

You must have tried really hard, or walked into a mod's pet thread.

 

[SBG]

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Make your day a bit nicer, for you.

 

[No. 7 cat]

If we want to go back to who really let Putin think he'd able to get away with it, that'd be the fault of France (and also Merkel's Germany) for letting Russia get away scott-free with occupying the Ossetia region of Georgia in 2008.
Of course Putin got the idea from no one stopping Yeltsin from trying (and failing) to retake Chechnya, and how swimmingly everything went after setting up a false-flag attack on Russia and succeeding in taking over a divided Chechnya. And that's largely on Clinton, i guess also technically Dubya for not stopping it, but everything was so fucked up in Chechnya at that point I'm not faulting him nor the EU for standing by and letting that happen (except as a in "perfect highsight") thing.

Sarkozy the evil French dwarf did worse. After Georgia managed to regain its balance, Sarkozy negotiated a deal that gave Putin what he wanted and left the country otherwise vulnerable. Basically one fifth occupied (albeit contested by the populace) and the rest now controlled by Russian puppets Georgian Dream (also contested) with the help of subversion and traitors. Some, in fact many, fear that Trump will do a Sarkozy in Georgia, which I doubt is Trump's intent, but Putin is cunning and sees a chance of extricating himself from a forever war which both feeds and will destroy the Russian economy. Recall too that Sarkozy launched the overthrow of Gadaffi out of pique. Evil dwarf indeed.

Why would you want for a union of countries that is economically and militarily subjugated by you to build an independent army? It took much effort and resources to make Europe wholly dependent on the USA and it is not in your best interest to reverse that. A reliant EU without any military aspirations should be most desirable for US' foreign policy because it only strengthens your hegemony. Why risk giving rise to a geopolitical rival again after the mistakes you made with China? Anyways, American isolationism is retarded and MacArthur had the right idea of how foreign policy should look like.

If the Euros are forced to shift for themselves militarily they will. Strong or sufficient European militaries are within European memory and the sixties anti militarism is dead. It's indeed really unclear how a militarily independent Europe will help the US. The military dependency as of now means a POTUS can smile and nod when mean words are spoken and doesn't need to show his iron hand in the velvet glove. They do as he wishes given a little time. There almost seems a complacent US assumption that the Euros will always rely on them.

 

[Ghostse]

Some positive news; a rare blue flag on the map:

Looking forward to Vatnigger hottakes about it being an unimportant village, ignoring earlier statements when it was taken about how Kiev would fall in two more weeks.

Looks like the the Pokrovsk offensive may have run out of steam for the current season. This plus what sounds like the withdraw of the Nork's Expeditionary Force (supposedly pending fresh reinforcements) might play a significant role in Russia pulling the front back towards fortified redoubts.

Its also really sad that Russia trying to freeze grandma by attacking civilian infrastructure of no/negliable value is just accepted now that its just called "Russia's winter bombing campaign".

Sarkozy the evil French dwarf did worse. After Georgia managed to regain its balance, Sarkozy negotiated a deal that gave Putin what he wanted and left the country otherwise vulnerable. Basically one fifth occupied (albeit contested by the populace) and the rest now controlled by Russian puppets Georgian Dream (also contested) with the help of subversion and traitors. Some, in fact many, fear that Trump will do a Sarkozy in Georgia, which I doubt is Trump's intent, but Putin is cunning and sees a chance of extricating himself from a forever war which both feeds and will destroy the Russian economy. Recall too that Sarkozy launched the overthrow of Gadaffi out of pique. Evil dwarf indeed.

Agreed, Georgia was completely France surrendering to Russia and cutting off any hope of a NATO/Western response. Merkel was a minor player, I only mentioned Her/Germany because germany, at her direction, got behind France's retarded cuckplan and it just further proves she is a Russian Manchurian candidate.

The flop on Georgian Dream from being anti-Russia to being Moscow's puppets is pretty wild.

I see that the MAGA cultists are still shitting up the thread with their retardation, since they cannot cope with how obviously incompetent and America-harming their Dear Leader is acting.

And I see you're still seething because your continent is cucked and gay, having armed their #1 threat and are still their #1 economic life line.
Still waiting for your post on Scholz calling him out for pulling billions in military aid.

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MAGA cultists are hugbox-creating retards. Anyway here's how I create a hugbox so I don't have to read posts when people point out my hypocrisy for my retard takes.

I'm in this thread to call out misinformation about Ukraine, and Eurocuck TDS certainly qualifies.

 

[Thomas Talus]

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[NewFagWhore]

If we want to go back to who really let Putin think he'd able to get away with it, that'd be the fault of France (and also Merkel's Germany) for letting Russia get away scott-free with occupying the Ossetia region of Georgia in 2008.
Of course Putin got the idea from no one stopping Yeltsin from trying (and failing) to retake Chechnya, and how swimmingly everything went after setting up a false-flag attack on Russia and succeeding in taking over a divided Chechnya. And that's largely on Clinton, i guess also technically Dubya for not stopping it, but everything was so fucked up in Chechnya at that point I'm not faulting him nor the EU for standing by and letting that happen (except as a "in perfect highsight" thing).

During a 2008 NATO summit, Merkel convinced Sarkozy to vote against giving a MAP to Ukraine and Georgia, basically signaling to Russia that they wouldnt defend these 2 countries. (which they didnt lol).
IF we're going back to 90s, then yeah both Bush Sr and Clinton are to be blamed but more so for doing nothing as opposed to spreading their asshole to Russia (hello germany), Not only Chechnya but Bush Sr also didnt give a fuck about Russia stirring up shit in Azerbaijan/Armenia, Starting a coup in Georgia (Bush actually supported this lol), and Russia starting - sorry i mean "supporting" - 3 separatist movements in Trannystria, Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Can't be too harsh, the entire world fell for the "End of History" meme, its just that Europe fell for it the hardest.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Europe is being told to behave and be good neighbors. Might as well be a act of war to the Euro.

Being 'good neighbors' is not really an option when your neighbors threaten to throw nukes at your fucking face now is it?

The thing with Afghanistan is that the Soviets were taken out of comfort zone. They were trained to fight in Europe against conventional Western forces. Not fighting an insurgency in a mountainous third world shithole. The Soviets actually had to learn along the way. Eisenhower actually warned people about the MIC. That the Soviets were never really a threat. It was mostly something pushed by the media here in the US. Here the Russians are in Ukraine and they can't even take the country. Evenb before they received a bunch of modern western weapons the Russians were being pushed back with just the old Soviet stuff the Ukrainians have had for decades. All through this I see no questioning the money we have spent on the military over the decades. The US basically has no real enemies that are a true threat.

You actually believe this? Wow.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Being 'good neighbors' is not really an option when your neighbors threaten to throw nukes at your fucking face now is it?

It is if you want to enjoy peace and not have tarrifs. Upping your military spending and not being censorship fags isn't a hard ask.

You actually believe this? Wow.

Soviets were fucking retards with their strength being in the zerg rush with cheap shit thrown against the wall until it stuck.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

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[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Looks like the the Pokrovsk offensive may have run out of steam for the current season. This plus what sounds like the withdraw of the Nork's Expeditionary Force (supposedly pending fresh reinforcements) might play a significant role in Russia pulling the front back towards fortified redoubts.

Mud season is basically starting as well. Two more weeks to Kiev will have to wait until the ground dries again.

Upping your military spending and not being censorship fags isn't a hard ask.

Euros would rather capitulate to Russia and/or China than stop being censorship fags.

Being 'good neighbors' is not really an option when your neighbors threaten to throw nukes at your fucking face now is it?

I think he meant "good neighbors" to the US, not to Russia.

Can't be too harsh, the entire world fell for the "End of History" meme, its just that Europe fell for it the hardest.

Europe then acted smug and superior for falling for it harder than the US.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Euros would rather capitulate to Russia and/or China than stop being censorship fags.

Truly sad. Wave the white flag than treat your allies with a modicum of respect.

I think he meant "good neighbors" to the US, not to Russia.

Correct.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

During a 2008 NATO summit, Merkel convinced Sarkozy to vote against giving a MAP to Ukraine and Georgia, basically signaling to Russia that they wouldnt defend these 2 countries. (which they didnt lol).
IF we're going back to 90s, then yeah both Bush Sr and Clinton are to be blamed but more so for doing nothing as opposed to spreading their asshole to Russia (hello germany), Not only Chechnya but Bush Sr also didnt give a fuck about Russia stirring up shit in Azerbaijan/Armenia, Starting a coup in Georgia (Bush actually supported this lol), and Russia starting - sorry i mean "supporting" - 3 separatist movements in Trannystria, Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Can't be too harsh, the entire world fell for the "End of History" meme, its just that Europe fell for it the hardest.

All these things happened before I became old enough to realize how fucked everything was going to be with no ability to do anything about it
Fucking boomers doomed us