Disaster Delta flight from Minneapolis crash lands at Toronto Pearson airport - All passenger and crew accounted for - no known fatalities

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Delta Air Lines CRJ900 crash landed at Toronto Pearson Airport on Monday.

The flight, from Minneapolis-St. Paul, was listed as Endeavor 4819, a CRJ-900 (N932XJ). It appears to have landed upside down.

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Google.com said:
Also, can we just point out that the last 4 major hull loss incidents involving us airlines have all be CANADIAN built CRJ variants. A runway overrun in a delta crj, the delta CRJ that had its tail chopped off by an a330, the DC collision and now this.

This is a fucking Canadian plot I'm telling you.
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Today's crash did an incredible job of selling the CRJ. Just on how seemingly strong the main fuselage is. The wings and tail tore off but the passenger compartment stayed together. That planes a tank.
 
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RodgerDodger said:
Today's crash did an incredible job of selling the CRJ. Just on how seemingly strong the main fuselage is. The wings and tail tore off but the passenger compartment stayed together. That planes a tank.
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Maybe so, but I'd gladly trade some hull points for the "Lands Upright" trait.
 
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Google.com said:
Also, can we just point out that the last 4 major hull loss incidents involving us airlines have all be CANADIAN built CRJ variants. A runway overrun in a delta crj, the delta CRJ that had its tail chopped off by an a330, the DC collision and now this.

This is a fucking Canadian plot I'm telling you.
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So this is Trudyboy's way of sticking it to Pmurt, before the election is called? Is it too late for him to retract his PM resignation?

Fascist Frederick said:
Maybe so, but I'd gladly trade some hull points for the "Lands Upright" trait.
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Come to think of it, had the Jeju Air crash been an upside down landing, that may have been enough to slow the plane down so it doesn't crash into that retaining wall like a pancake.
 
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Caligura said:
Guys, I'm scared. I have a flight in April to Osaka I don't know how I feel about current day pilots...
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Are you flying on ANA? Should be fine. JAL? Usually pretty good, although they have been dipping their toes into the woke waters as of late.

If it's on United, enjoy 14 hours of misery.


Thiletonomics said:
Come to think of it, had the Jeju Air crash been an upside down landing, that may have been enough to slow the plane down so it doesn't crash into that retaining wall like a pancake.
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Nah, they were still coming in way too hot and touched down entirely too late. They were going into that wall regardless of the orientation. Although upside-down would have included the possibility of the nose digging into the dirt and turning the whole thing into a 200mph ball of flaming, somersaulting metal. 😬
 
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The Connected Nose said:
Nah, they were still coming in way too hot and touched down entirely too late. They were going into that wall regardless of the orientation. Although upside-down would have included the possibility of the nose digging into the dirt and turning the whole thing into a 200mph ball of flaming, somersaulting metal. 😬
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Wouldn't a plane somersaulting like that disperse energy in a safer way than the sudden stop into that wall, or would the spins be enough to throw occupants around so hard that it causes blunt force trauma deaths? (Can airplane seatbelts keep people restrained in spin crashes?) It reminds me of how in motorsports crashes, the more dramatic looking ones were the safer ones where the driver walks away unharmed, i.e. Allan McNish's crash at LeMans in 2011, but it's the sudden stop ones that will fuck you up, i.e. Allan Simonsen's crash at LeMans 2017 (?) and Dale Earnhardt Sr's fatal Daytona 500 crash.
 
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Thiletonomics said:
Wouldn't a plane somersaulting like that disperse energy in a safer way than the sudden stop into that wall, or would the spins be enough to throw occupants around so hard that it causes blunt force trauma deaths? (Can airplane seatbelts keep people restrained in spin crashes?) It reminds me of how in motorsports crashes, the more dramatic looking ones were the safer ones where the driver walks away unharmed, i.e. Allan McNish's crash at LeMans in 2011, but it's the sudden stop ones that will fuck you up, i.e. Allan Simonsen's crash at LeMans 2017 (?) and Dale Earnhardt Sr's fatal Daytona 500 crash.
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At the speed they were going when they hit the wall (approx. 175mph/152kts by my math), if the nose had dug in, it would have trashed the plane 800 feet sooner. But instead of a pancake it would have just ripped everything apart and flung it into the air (a 737 isn't gonna stay intact when a flip is initiated by the nose suddenly stopping). And just like when they hit the wall, the whole thing would have most likely been on fire. Anyone who survived the initial impact and possibly became airborne on their own would have died when that section hit the ground again.

For reference, see the videos of the Sioux City crash from a few decades back. They landed more or less right side up, but the somersault ripped the plane open and caused a huge fireball. The Jeju crash MIGHT have had more survivors if they'd landed upside down, but there are a ton of variables that would be involved. I'm just assuming the nose digging into the dirt due to the back end riding on what's left of the tail causing a downward angle. It'd be like a pole-vaulting pole, only made of metal and not designed to bend that way.

All these motorsports crashes that look awful but people walk away from are due to crumple zones, roll cages, 5-point harnesses, and HANS (Head And Neck Support) devices. If you're in an airplane, you've got a lap belt and that's it.
 
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convulsion swell said:
Are there actually more airplane incidents at once or are they just being reported more thoroughly because they are in the public consciousness currently?
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The big three are notable - DC, this one, and the medical flight.

The one where the business jet slid into another one is not really notable, but got picked up because of all the others.

I have never seen a plane of that size upside down before.
 
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convulsion swell said:
Are there actually more airplane incidents at once or are they just being reported more thoroughly because they are in the public consciousness currently?
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It's media bouncing the ball around until they have something they want to really prioritize. Mainstream news can't say that DOGE is doing work finding dumb expensive crap that John Q. Taxpayer is footing the bill on. They also can't say that Trump's border and deportation policy is doing good. They're in an actual media hold pattern until the next schizo shoots up a school or blows up a bomb.
Edit: Yeah though this one is odd. but ultimately won't last in the news cycle past Tuesday. What'll happen tomorrow? I aint Nostradamus don't ask me.
 
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