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You could say nothing has changed materially, but (a) a statement by the President of the United States carries a lot of weight and is itself consequential, and (b) this is an early indicator of what actions Trump will take.
Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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I'm still sucking on the copium. I suppose you can only laugh at a bull in a china shop for so long before it finds the window. The fact is, just a month or two ago, Trump was talking a very different tune about Zelensky and the whole thing. I am certain they workshopped Zelensky's victory plan together, because it had Trump's fingerprints all over it.
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Well, that's incredibly fucking retarded, and I know exactly the kind of people whispering in his ears - Tuckers and Posos of this world. Bro has no thoughts of his own on the matter.
And it's one thing being fiscally responsible, but all this bitching about muh dollars in this situation just looks petty, considering it's also factually wrong.
Trump can keep pushing in this direction, and while it would get Russia to agree, Ukraine won't. So there won't be a deal. Just giving Putin everything he wants isn't the genius resolution he thinks it is.
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The EU is a collection of 27 sovereign and (mostly) democratic states, all with their own elected governments that want to be re-elected, all with opposition parties that want to have power, and their own little demagogues that run smear campaigns.
I don't think a EU military is possible. It would need to be funded and have a unified command that decides what its mission is and where it fights and whom.
There is no way that all 27 European countries, or any significant number of them, will agree to hand over their national security to a supranational organisation in the foreseeable future.
I see no interest for deepening European cooperation and handing over powers of national governments to the EU level, and there are very good and reasonable reasons for each member state to not want to do that.
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Not related, but today is a schizo day, isn't it? Anyone checked the moon calendar?
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Every day is schizo day if you try hard enough
Do you mean this shit? Archive
The outgoing foreign minister in Germany makes a vague claim, oh joy.
Again, this is the German left wing coalition saying look at all the wonderful stuff we can do if we remove the budget controls and let us print money like the Americans do.
This is either completely retarded or retarded negotiations. Even if this shit is never repeated again it's a stain.
I can see the spin, "this forced Europe to step up". Indeed, in the same way as eating glue will make the teacher step up and monitor your dumb ass more.
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Keep em and if you don't have them or lost em, get em back!
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Democrat Sen Dick Blumenthal of Connecticut is a standard lawyer-banker high flyer type worth $100 million who sometimes garnished his military record with the Marines, but I think the morale outrage behind his words is sincere and, to my mind, apposite. Trump could fix things later, but his recent words are indeed 'despicable'.
The plan above sounds serviceable, decent, but it is really unclear now that Trump would now endorse anything Putin wouldn't want.
Trump says elections needed in Ukraine as Zelenskyy allegedly has 4% approval rating
Tetyana Oliynyk, Iryna Balachuk — Wednesday, 19 February 2025, 00:12
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Trump says elections needed in Ukraine as Zelenskyy allegedly has 4% approval rating
Donald Trump. Photo: Getty Images
US President Donald Trump has said that Ukraine needs to hold elections because incumbent President Volodymyr Zelenskyy allegedly has a low approval rating.
Source: Trump at a press conference at Mar-a-Lago
Details: According to Trump, it is not Russia that is demanding elections in Ukraine, but the objective situation, as there have been no elections for a long time.
Quote: "We have a situation where we haven’t had elections in Ukraine, where we have martial law, where the leader in Ukraine, I hate to say it, but he’s down at 4% approval rating… I would say that, you know, when they want a seat at the table, wouldn't the people of Ukraine have to say like, ‘You know, it’s been a long time since we’ve had an election.’ That’s not a Russia thing, that’s something coming from me and coming from many other countries also."
Details: Trump did not explain, however, where his polling data came from.
Background: The Kyiv International Institute of Sociology concluded in a survey conducted as of December 2024 that while the percentage of Ukrainians who do not trust Zelenskyy rose to 39% during the year, 52% trust the head of state.
Tetyana Oliynyk, Iryna Balachuk — Wednesday, 19 February 2025, 00:12
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Trump says elections needed in Ukraine as Zelenskyy allegedly has 4% approval rating
Donald Trump. Photo: Getty Images
US President Donald Trump has said that Ukraine needs to hold elections because incumbent President Volodymyr Zelenskyy allegedly has a low approval rating.
Source: Trump at a press conference at Mar-a-Lago
Details: According to Trump, it is not Russia that is demanding elections in Ukraine, but the objective situation, as there have been no elections for a long time.
Quote: "We have a situation where we haven’t had elections in Ukraine, where we have martial law, where the leader in Ukraine, I hate to say it, but he’s down at 4% approval rating… I would say that, you know, when they want a seat at the table, wouldn't the people of Ukraine have to say like, ‘You know, it’s been a long time since we’ve had an election.’ That’s not a Russia thing, that’s something coming from me and coming from many other countries also."
Details: Trump did not explain, however, where his polling data came from.
Background: The Kyiv International Institute of Sociology concluded in a survey conducted as of December 2024 that while the percentage of Ukrainians who do not trust Zelenskyy rose to 39% during the year, 52% trust the head of state.
archive - Ukrainska Pravda / original link
Zelensky responded to some of Trump's recent unseemly words by suggesting POTUS was in a misinformation bubble, enraging the eyeliner wearing former best friend of Peter Thiel JD Vance. 'Misinformation' is a word that triggers that homo. The figure is insanely incorrect, it hardly needs to be said.
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I have not checked out on this war a while now, but given the big happenings, I got a few questions and want to hear the differing opinions from users on this thread:
Imagine if the PRC invades Taiwan, and the EU supports China's "Special Reunification Operation" against the rebel island, whereas the US either directly intervenes to save Taiwan or just sends "strong condemnation" to China, and Russia starts amassing troops on the Manchurian border to distract the PLA on the mainland, and on the Middle East, the EU shows passive support towards Iran when Bibi convinces Trump to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities alongside the IDF.
Vatniggers, Amerimutts, Kikes, Norks, Japs, and Poojeets, versus Eurocucks, Hohols, Chinks, Sandniggers, and Spics, truly the most autistic World War III imaginable that Tom Clancy could have never predicted, a techno-thriller sperg can only dream!
- Wouldn't the current US-Russia reapproachment, the US washing their hands off European affairs, and effectively supporting all of Russia's demands all but confirm that Putin will seek to invade the Baltics until 2028-2029 at maximum, while Trump is still President, instead of de-mobilizing their army and waiting 10-15 years of more demographic and economic decline for the Vatniggers to "rebuild" their forces to fight against an empowered Europe, that would have finally become independent from Burger gibs?
- Wouldn't that same Trump-Putin reapproachment also disillusion the PRC (see how the US recently proclaimed that they are no longer opposed to Taiwanese independence, and are forcing Panama and South Africa to cut their ties to the Belt and Road project), who is also currently seeking stronger ties with the EU, or is Russia too much into Chinese orbit and dependent upon the PRC for Russia to suddenly shift towards the US, and for the EU to seek China as a more trustworthy partner?
- And about China again, I am assuming that in response for the US betraying Ukraine and Europe, the EU will retaliate against the US by not supporting it on their adventures in Taiwan, Israel, Iran, Panama, etc., and if the situation is critical enough, then the EU would outright support China/Palestine/Iran to fuck up the US and its allies.
Imagine if the PRC invades Taiwan, and the EU supports China's "Special Reunification Operation" against the rebel island, whereas the US either directly intervenes to save Taiwan or just sends "strong condemnation" to China, and Russia starts amassing troops on the Manchurian border to distract the PLA on the mainland, and on the Middle East, the EU shows passive support towards Iran when Bibi convinces Trump to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities alongside the IDF.
Vatniggers, Amerimutts, Kikes, Norks, Japs, and Poojeets, versus Eurocucks, Hohols, Chinks, Sandniggers, and Spics, truly the most autistic World War III imaginable that Tom Clancy could have never predicted, a techno-thriller sperg can only dream!
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Welp, there we have it. The most bumfuck retarded foreign policy and the single greatest geopolitical backstabbing in history.
All of our neighbors, trading partners and friends are now enemies, all of our legitimate enemies like Russia are now "allies". And all of Trump's dickriders will eat this up because he's adopted Putin's strategy of perpetual victimhood on top of outright lies to sell them on the idea that the country being invaded is actually the aggressor somehow.
I really hope this is a wakeup call to the EU (and every other foreign ally that will soon be betrayed by the US) to never rely on the US as a consistent partner for anything ever. Our populace and our political arena is so fucking stupidly polarized that no one can expect consistent foreign policy goals whatsoever. The past 9 years have been nothing but foreign policy 180s based on nothing but schizophrenic leadership, more focused on petty grievances and nonsensical internet culture wars than any kind of rationality.
All I can say is thank God that Syria fell before Tulsi Gabbard could assume her role in the FBI, that Assadist bitch would've done everything she could to ensure that dictator remained in power.
Hopefully that 700 Billion Euro aid pledge from the EU happens. Though, if it is, I wouldn't put it past Trump to threaten to put US troops in to help Russia win when Putin's backed against a corner hard enough or when Republicans lose power in the midterms or 2028 election.
We're in the stupidest fucking timeline, even Trump's idols like Reagan and Nixon wouldn't suck Russia's dick this fucking hard.
All of the Arab voters who thought Trump was going to "#FreePalestine" and not deepthroat Netanyahu's cock are retarded.
All of the Republican Reaganites who thought the US wasn't going to kowtow to Russia under Trump are retarded.
Trump is one of the dumbest men alive, but he's still slightly smarter than the 77 million clowns who genuinely bought into the idea that austerity policies (directed by the richest man on the planet) and blind isolationism was somehow going to make America a stronger world superpower or make anything better at home.
Secondary moral: Never trust the United States Government as your ally
Tertiary moral: Never expect any intelligence from US citizens, especially the voters.
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I agree with you for the most part, it's merely wishful thinking, however this part has already been softly happening for about a decade orso now. The mention I made of XYZtaxes is in direct reference to this, the mucking about in terms of just adopting & focusing on social & environment things instead of either staying focused on purely economic interests & development OR expanding into a direction such as a somewhat coordinated defense.
Mind you, I don't forsee a grand European military happening nor is it what I meant.
Merely holding other countries accountable & focusing on expanding domestic production of armaments & munitions and cooperation in establishing this expansion for every single country to some extent.
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I think you're making excuses. First of all, not all 27 countries would have to contribute equally to create some sort of Babylonian army where no one understands each other. Some could simply contribute what they can, namely money, resources, logistics and whatnot. Everyone has their strengths.
Leave establishing a standing army to those with experience, build upon what's already there. Like Poland, France, UK (I know UK isn't in EU anymore, bit it is in Europe and shares shame concerns when it comes to Russia), or even fucking Estonia and Finland for fuck's sake.
I'm sure a group of competent people could think of a way to solve the problem, if Europeans weren't so busy importing rapists and actually got around to it.
If US insists on abandoning the role of "world police", the rest of you can't just continue to sit on your ass doing nothing, because it's only a matter of time until some asshole takes advantage of the power vacuum. Playtime is over.
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The 5D chess move here now is that this will make everyone forget that thing with tariffs on Canada and Mexico that seems to be leading nowhere.
I guess if Putin strikes while the iron is hot here he can get Trump's support invading Ukraine instead in promise of some Ukrainian minerals.
I guess if Putin strikes while the iron is hot here he can get Trump's support invading Ukraine instead in promise of some Ukrainian minerals.
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6D chess, Trump actually invades Ukraine as well, bet no one would expect that
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7D chess, Ukraine invades America somehow, all according to Don's plan
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The president behind the president trots out CRP:
Meanwhile, Trump calling Zel a "dictator" sounds an awful lot like *ucker Carlson.
So yeah, Trump's foreign policy team:
Meanwhile, Trump calling Zel a "dictator" sounds an awful lot like *ucker Carlson.
So yeah, Trump's foreign policy team:
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Classic white American name "Gonzalo Lira". Imagine caring about a Chilean faggot sucking Moskal cock.
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Man I miss Reagan....
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8D chess, Ukraine invades America somehow, but then launches an invasion of northern Mexico and attacks the cartels, all according to Don's plan.
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Unelected bureaucrats at a three-letter agency in Washington telling the city of New York how they may operate their roads is not very swamp-drainy, mister President.
Russia invades the Baltics… with what army? The severely-depleted one that's ferrying troops about with civilian cars and pack animals?
It's possible, especially if Russia is able to get a friendly government in place through political subterfuge beforehand, but if the country is going to fight back then I don't see how it could go any better than it has in Ukraine, and I don't see that changing before Trump's term ends.
But I pray Putin or whatever thugs come after him don't decide to test this little theory of mine.
The rest of your post seems predicated on an unfounded (from what I can tell) idea that the EU or most of its constituent countries are itching for Chinese cooperation beyond trade. China can do its Belt and Road shenanigans in developing countries but what else does it have to offer Europe beyond cheap Huawei phones? Explain your logic to me.