Diseased Porn Addicts / Gooners / Coomers / /trash/ / 2chen / Sturdychan - Porn addicts that are proud of their degeneracy and want to spread it around the people. This is not a porn debate thread!

[YautjaWeeb]

The more this gets exposed to the normie Internet, the better. This is a legit problem that's only going to get worse the longer it's left alone.

Also I happened to get a glimpse at the owner of that car with the coomer decals, and of course the dude was scraggly-looking. We need to bring shame back into society.

Is irony a thing anymore? Without youtube hunter/papa meat would be a textbook level 40 goon wizard and savant.

 

[California Newt]

Is irony a thing anymore? Without youtube hunter/papa meat would be a textbook level 40 goon wizard and savant.

The man has Bad Dragon sponsorships in his videos.

 

[Bruce Campbell's Chin]

Turning it into a religious issue is wrong. These people don't masturbate all day because they don't believe in Jesus or go to church every Sunday. They just don't have a job or any purpose, so they've resigned themselves to their fate and decided to spend the rest of their lives indulging themselves.

sounds like something someone in a Mystical Goonion with Satan would say

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Turning it into a religious issue is wrong. These people don't masturbate all day because they don't believe in Jesus or go to church every Sunday. They just don't have a job or any purpose, so they've resigned themselves to their fate and decided to spend the rest of their lives indulging themselves.

I ain’t exactly a theological scholar, but I’m pretty sure almost all major religions would be against gooning.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

I don't think it's wrong to frame it as a religious issue, but I think it's also good to explain it through non-religious terms if you need to explain it to a stranger or friend or whatnot.
Whether or not this is a good thing, religion is not really respected in parts of the world where this is a problem, and I think normies will be more responsive if you explain it to them without mentioning Christ/Satan and whatnot.

 

[California Newt]

I don't think it's wrong to frame it as a religious issue, but I think it's also good to explain it through non-religious terms if you need to explain it to a stranger or friend or whatnot.

You'd think so, but in practice qualifying it doesn't really help much.

The people who'll have a problem will react the same way if you frame it as "religious psychology". Their problem is with facing the psychological reality of it moreso than the factuality, because their aversion is to the idea that it's a spiritual problem.

Let's use an example.

The core of my actual description was in psychological terms:

If that's the case, then gooning is the shortest path to the same destination: all addictions are suicide installment plans, but this one comes with a pseudo-religious fetish narrative where the suicide is baked-in as the ultimate goal. Why shouldn't a man live and die with his nerves on fire? What's the difference? Why not live energized by the immolation of your own soul?

This was his response:

These people don't masturbate all day because they don't believe in Jesus or go to church every Sunday. They just don't have a job or any purpose, so they've resigned themselves to their fate and decided to spend the rest of their lives indulging themselves.

He misrepresented and charchaturized my position, and then gave a shallow explanation (with an equally shallow solution—"get a job"; i.e., it's an external, material, fully human-solvable sociological problem) that ignores evidence we have of people with jobs and families falling into this hole.

It's like trying to rub magnets together. You can't communicate with people who don't want to understand (apologies to @The Spoils of War if that's a mischaracterization).

Atheists and agnostics will pick up on the meat of the argument without my (or your) having to walk on eggshells for them, if they're approaching the question honestly.

Gooning wouldn't be rapidly developing into a form of annihilationist Western Tantra if it weren't filling a spiritual void.

 

[The Spoils of War]

He misrepresented and charchaturized my position, and then gave a shallow explanation (with an equally shallow solution—"get a job"; i.e., it's an external, material, fully human-solvable sociological problem) that ignores evidence we have of people with jobs and families falling into this hole.

If you're trying to say it's anything but a material, human problem, then you're shifting the blame away from the gooners and saying their problem is something immaterial. Fine, I'm sure that some people with jobs or families are part of this community, but that doesn't turn this into an immaterial, spiritual issue.

Gooning wouldn't be rapidly developing into a form of annihilationist Western Tantra if it weren't filling a spiritual void.

I agree with you on this point, but again, I don't think it's spiritual. People with jobs or families can lack purpose and join cults like this even if they're religious.

 

[#FreeRoss]

I agree with you on this point, but again, I don't think it's spiritual. People with jobs or families can lack purpose and join cults like this even if they're religious.

This kind of hits home. I'm not a "gooner" or anywhere near the OP's level of porn addiction, but I do have a habit of watching it. I am somewhat religious and think it's morally wrong, but it fills a void in my life. It makes my boring life, where nothing happens, a little bit better. I know it's wrong, and I want to quit, but I need a purpose in my life to distract me from pornography.

 

[Patty Q. Anonlinson]

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"Please clear the area and go take a fucking bath."

I'm surprised there wasn't a greater Pajeet turnout. All gooks and white dudes. I guess the idea of dying of public shame doesn't resonate with them?

 

[Paper Machete]

This kind of hits home. I'm not a "gooner" or anywhere near the OP's level of porn addiction, but I do have a habit of watching it. I am somewhat religious and think it's morally wrong, but it fills a void in my life. It makes my boring life, where nothing happens, a little bit better. I know it's wrong, and I want to quit, but I need a purpose in my life to distract me from pornography.

Then get a purpose. Literally. If that's all it takes and it's that easy why haven't you done it yet if you don't like the way things are? Pick up a hobby that requires skill to be developed or something. Don't be complacent, especially if it goes against your religion.

 

[Patty Q. Anonlinson]

but I need a purpose in my life to distract me from pornography.

Sounds like you need to spend less time gooning and more time on KiwiFarms.

 

[California Newt]

Sounds like you need to spend less time gooning and more time on KiwiFarms.

This can help in the short term, but kiwifarms is high-dopamine. Your brain gets grabby, and that can arc over to the other stuff.

I think lowering the dopamine level is helpful; it keeps you out of that autistic "locked in" mode, and makes it easier to remember where you are and who you care about.

If you're trying to say it's anything but a material, human problem, then you're shifting the blame away from the gooners and saying their problem is something immaterial.

That doesn't follow. How would the problem being spiritual remove culpability?

I agree with you on this point, but again, I don't think it's spiritual. People with jobs or families can lack purpose and join cults like this even if they're religious.

"Religious" is an incredibly broad category to refer to as one thing, but you're right. It can happen to anybody. They just have better tools and understand the problem more fully; just because you have the tools doesn't mean you'll use them.

Then get a purpose. Literally. If that's all it takes and it's that easy why haven't you done it yet if you don't like the way things are? Pick up a hobby that requires skill to be developed or something. Don't be complacent, especially if it goes against your religion.

Unfortunately that's not usually all it takes. Maybe it is for him, but that's not what I've seen. If you let yourself get drawn back into that "world" by something, you're screwed (barring a miracle); it doesn't matter how much of a purpose you have. There's no rational argumentation against it.

We're taking about people who need to steel themselves, come up with a plan, and pray before, during, and after they sit down at the computer to keep from disabling internet blocks. At work. The sensitization is very heavy.

The best way to stop is stay away from small stuff—glances etc—before it rapidly snowballs into big stuff.

@#FreeRoss

Spoiler: Unsolicited Advice

The method I've found best for once you're already down the hole is to switch over to another tab to something else (to break out of the "locked in" state) and use that gap to shove in some short, repetitive prayers and stay like that until there's resolve (start with the first phoneme—"L", then ride the momentum into "Lord"; from the rest should roll out—"have mercy", etc.).

Then, keeping that going, get out of wherever you are and reactivate the blocks (ColdTurkey is best for desktop). Then keep going; there's going to be an "aftershock" at the end, and not even in a necessarily "sexual" way; I mean just raw dopamine. It'll come in attenuated "waves".

I'm sure that an aspect of it is just keeping your head busy and you attention elsewhere, but it works. The important thing is that they prayers aren't magic words; you can't think of them like a "shield" that gives you extra willpower; you're literally begging for the control of your mind and body necessary to take your next action, and you can't stop even when you think you've got it.

 

[The Spoils of War]

This can help in the short term, but kiwifarms is high-dopamine. Your brain gets grabby, and that can arc over to the other stuff.

I think lowering the dopamine level is helpful; it keeps you out of that autistic "locked in" mode, and makes it easier to remember where you are and who you care about.

I recommend that everyone should remove metrics, notifications, and other people's reactions from the site to make the experience less autistic. Here's what it looks like for me:



We should also stop using social media sites, as they are designed to be addictive. Instead, we should start reading, writing, listening to music, and watching traditional media like TV shows and films.

Unfortunately that's not usually all it takes. Maybe it is for him, but that's not what I've seen. If you let yourself get drawn back into that "world" by something, you're screwed (barring a miracle); it doesn't matter how much of a purpose you have. There's no rational argumentation against it.

I don't know. Having a hobby makes it far easier to not jerk off all day. Idle hands are the devil's workshop.

That doesn't follow. How would the problem being spiritual remove culpability?

Because it pins the blame on Satan instead of the gooners' own failings.

 

[California Newt]

Because it pins the blame on Satan instead of the gooners' own failings.

The two are in synergy, not opposition.
Who's to blame for the smoker's lung, the smoker or Malboro? Both.

Demons can't force you to do anything (unless you let one in). They mostly just suggest thoughts and know how to frame things a certain way. They're like advertisers, or feds.

This is straying off the topic, though. I just think it's physically impossible to look square at the bottom of the hole and not believe in the devil. It's like saying you don't believe in the Sun.

I don't know. Having a hobby makes it far easier to not jerk off all day. Idle hands are the devil's workshop.

Of couse; I just mean that it tends not to be enough on its own. Having something better to do is one thing, but eventually push is gonna come to shove and you'll have to stop side-stepping and confront it directly.

I knew a guy who was so far-gone that no matter how he'd configure his blockers, he'd always find a way around them—at one point he even gave someone else the admin password to his computer, so he couldn't change the settings; it didn't work. He bought a flip-phone; he got discord working on it and was back in the gooning servers—some pretty gnarly ones, from what I understand (although I imagine they're all pretty gnarly).

Then, one day, he got it perfectly airtight—hermetically sealed. He thought it was over. You want to know what happened? Whenever he had a spare moment, and the time was opportune, the blockers would crash; they'd just stop working—in ways that didn't make sense.

Eventually he found a few different ways to get things "airtight", and each time it'd stop working. Either it'd just crash, or someone would just happen to leave an unsecured laptop with him.

He was convinced that something was "going on", and that he wasn't "allowed" to get away from it—he thought he was being forced to face it. I believe him; I also think that's how it works.

 

[The Spoils of War]

Of couse; I just mean that it tends not to be enough on its own. Having something better to do is one thing, but eventually push is gonna come to shove and you'll have to stop side-stepping and confront it directly.

I knew a guy who was so far-gone that no matter how he'd configure his blockers, he'd always find a way around them—at one point he even gave someone else the admin password to his computer, so he couldn't change the settings; it didn't work. He bought a flip-phone; he got discord working on it and was back in the gooning servers—some pretty gnarly ones, from what I understand (although I imagine they're all pretty gnarly).

Then, one day, he got it perfectly airtight—hermetically sealed. He thought it was over. You want to know what happened? Whenever he had a spare moment, and the time was opportune, the blockers would crash; they'd just stop working—in ways that didn't make sense.

Eventually he found a few different ways to get things "airtight", and each time it'd stop working. Either it'd just crash, or someone would just happen to leave an unsecured laptop with him.

He was convinced that something was "going on", and that he wasn't "allowed" to get away from it—he thought he was being forced to face it. I believe him; I also think that's how it works.

This is beyond belief. I mean that literally. I think that your friend just exaggerated everything and there weren't gremlins in his computer making his porn blockers stop working. But it's scary how little discipline he had.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

Bro all of this religious talk is becoming cliche and repetitive. And it won't get us anywhere because it's so easy for people to just blow it off as bible thumping. It's really pretty straight forwards. It's a feedback loop. Dopamine addiction. Too much free time, too little purpose. These people prefer to spend their free time masturbating because any personal projects they have in mind are too high effort. They continue down the ladder of fetishism because the same porn and the same scenarios over and over get repetitive. This ladder of fetishism delves into madness that barely even resembles sex anymore, or deliberately taboo behaviors (Where do you think the satanism fetishism in trannies comes from? It's a bizarre pornified rebelliousness against norms in an effort to be taboo, because taboo is hot to them. I suspect a good number of lolicons fall under this umbrella too, making up for the sizable portion who fortunately aren't deranged enough to harm a real child.) because they were either desensitized at a young age via fetish EPI, don't care because they are awful people, or don't worry about it because they feel they have a good enough disconnect from reality and fantasy to keep the two separate. There are undoubtebly a few posters here who use or have used things like sturdychan, people who fully intend to actually groom, rape or otherwise violate children, and people who have the disconnect to refrain from doing anything illegal yet still fall into the same cycle as the rest because it deliberately games the brain's reward system.

That's not to say we are ruled by fatalism, but rather it's why it becomes easier for one to prefer gooning and endulging in pornography over something more productive. Consider this concept in a vacuum: You have 6 people who all like to do different things on their off time. 3 of them do this thing in their free time when they have no other pressing obligations, and the other 3 do it obsessively even when they have pressing matters to attend to- jobs, family, etc.

Of both groups, one person likes to do A, one likes B, and the other likes C. Same goes for both groups, just that those in the second group do it constantly and without regard for their actual livlihoods. Now replace A with gooning, B with drugs, and C with video games. Obviously this isn't a fair comparison of the results and consequences of each 'hobby' (it isn't supposed to be, obviously video games are innocent compared to the other two), but on a baseline the principles of "I enjoy doing this hedonistic thing and weigh it as a preferable use of my time over X" applies, even if that time could be spent doing more enriching things. It's advanced porn addiction, not literal demons come to haunt good Americans by making them jack off to everything under the sun.

 

[Colon capital V]

Never forget an entire generation got flashbanged by this fucking furfaggotry and somehow 'tok jannitors took god knows how long before they stopped eating their chink hotpockets to do something.
Fs in the chat to all the kids who got unsuspectedly groomed by EPI, may Zone and everyone who posted this get the rope.

 

[Doublefrag]

Gooning wouldn't be rapidly developing into a form of annihilationist Western Tantra if it weren't filling a spiritual void.

Religion doesn't really prevent you from gooning, this is still on your internal resolve. It just makes it even more demoralizing when you accidentally pop a nut to degenerate porn again and then stare at your cross for ten minutes. That adds to the forbidden aspect of your goonage per se.
That's why I don't believe all these people who say you should just imagine a greedy Jew rubbing his hands while you masturbate. Shit like this ends up giving you meta pornophilic fetishes where you purposefully "abstain" and feel an emotional low when you relapse just to feel anything

 

[NoBueno]

I don't know where the paid psyop and the cult begins with this stuff.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

What was so mean about making fun of a gooner? Or is it the gooners making fun of someone who didn't want to join in on the gooning?