2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[JesterTheMad]

Not everyone here will like that article.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/02/make_jordan_palestinian_again.html

https://archive.ph/7eBdR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykp-1AeTXTM

just use subtitles

 

[37yearolddickrightnow]

If i was Israel, I'd have somehow implanted every single prisoner
with a mini explosive device. When they get all the Israeli hostages back, simultaneously blow theirs the fuck up like they did with the pagers last year.

 

[Random Internet Person]

If i was Israel, I'd have somehow implanted every single prisoner
with a mini explosive device. When they get all the Israeli hostages back, simultaneously blow theirs the fuck up like they did with the pagers last year.

You mean like with The Suicide Squad?

 

[World in Scarlet]

Jenin:
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Street art. Second video, 0:11 and later.

 

[Pallas' Cat]

Not everyone here will like that article.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/02/make_jordan_palestinian_again.html

https://archive.ph/7eBdR

I'm sure this is short-sighted of me, but at this point I don't care where they go as long as they don't end up in North America or Europe. Besides, if the Palestinians act up in a Muslim country, there's a good chance that said Muslim country will deal with them in a heavy-handed way and not catch too much flack for it because the media prefers to ignore any brown-on-brown violence that doesn't fit their oppression narrative.

 

[YouTube Autist]

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People this retarded should be institutionalized.

I have less trouble understanding why the Heaven's Gate people believed a flying saucer was coming to for them than I do understanding why people claim to believe this nonsense. Also:

The world can feel its desperate and violent pants

What a choice of words.

Naal Ubayyad, a released prisoner, previously serving 7 life sentences for the terror attack in Café Hillel in Jerusalem which killed 7 Israelis in 2003, fell of the roof of his house in Issawiya and died. He was released last week during the prisoner exchange.
Good riddance.
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You know, not that long ago I would have balked at celebrating the death of another person. My perspective has changed since then.

You mean like with The Suicide Squad?

Mission: Impossible III did it first.

 

[Golden Apple]

prisoner with a mini explosive device.

too easy to detect. Maybe a resistant STI? or AIDS? That's got a nice long incubation period. Or long term birth control? lol in like minecraft or whatever.

This conflict has me second guessing whether or not there is a good reason for genocide. Like can we just bury them and move on?

 

[37yearolddickrightnow]

You mean like with The Suicide Squad?

Didn't see it. Was thinking Escape from New York exploding carotids style

 

[Random Internet Person]

You know, not that long ago I would have balked at celebrating the death of another person. My perspective has changed since then.

Honestly, the death of a main Hamas figure hits to Israel like the death of Osama bin Laden hit the USA in 2011. TBH, the Bibas deaths may just be the thing that the pro Palestine crowd may not come back from (assuming there’s still people on the fence in regards to their conflict).

 

[TheCrackMonkey]

This conflict has me second guessing whether or not there is a good reason for genocide. Like can we just bury them and move on?

You're saying this as if the Palestinian identity is an actual ethnic group and not just a ideological weapon that a bunch of random Arabs came up with to use against Israel.

 

[Farm Hand]

Israel has the chance to do the funniest thing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

The IAF just flew a missing man formation above Nasrallah's funeral:

Well... it wasn't the funniest thing.

 

[unleashthefreak]

Street art. Second video, 0:11 and later.
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It seems the evil Zionists (the real Nazis) vandalized this innocent Palestinian neighborhood. Heartbreaking!

 

[Golden Apple]

You're saying this as if the Palestinian identity is an actual ethnic group and not just a ideological weapon that a bunch of random Arabs came up with to use against Israel.

That's a good point.

What actually IS a 'palestinian' and is that even different from a bog standard arab? If Rome renamed Judea to palestine in ~100CE, the area included jews, but not arabs. So a palestinian is a jew, according to Rome. The arabs that conquered judea/sameria/ 'muhpalestine' in ~630CE renamed the area to bilad al-sham (kek)/syria, which was a providence but not a country.

arabs were invaders and colonizers and renamed the area like Rome did. When did they revert to palestine?

 

[Sooty Soot]

That's a good point.

What actually IS a 'palestinian' and is that even different from a bog standard arab? If Rome renamed Judea to palestine in ~100CE, the area included jews, but not arabs. So a palestinian is a jew, according to Rome. The arabs that conquered judea/sameria/ 'muhpalestine' in ~630CE renamed the area to bilad al-sham (kek)/syria, which was a providence but not a country.

arabs were invaders and colonizers and renamed the area like Rome did. When did they revert to palestine?

I don't think anyone is arguing that Palestinians are distinct from Arabs, they're just Arabs that lived in Palestine and (maybe?) started getting called Palestinians after da jooz took over so they could be differentiated from Jordanians.

 

[celebrityskin]

Wasn’t there protests in Israel that Bibi wasn’t doing enough to free the hostages?

I did go to one of those "Bring Them Home Now" rallies in a city near me early last year, because i'm an ethnic minority and wanted to show solidarity with my countrymen, but we weren't calling for a ceasefire or leaving Hamas in power or anything like that. Any foreigner framing it like this has got it twisted.

 

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

I did go to one of those "Bring Them Home Now" rallies in a city near me early last year, because i'm an ethnic minority and wanted to show solidarity with Jews, but we weren't calling for a ceasefire or leaving Hamas in power or anything like that. Any foreigner framing it like this has got it twisted.

The international Bring Them Home protests are different from some of the ones in Israel. There are (possibly were, now) Israelis who wanted a ceasefire.

 

[Surfin Terf]

The international Bring Them Home protests are different from some of the ones in Israel. There are (possibly were, now) Israelis who wanted a ceasefire.

Celebrityskin is an Israeli Druze

 

[Squid Bitch]

Damn, if only there'd been a way to predict that Israel would be angry about its land being invaded, and its people raped, murdered, and taken hostage.

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Senior Hamas official admits he wouldn't have backed October 7 if he knew the outcome ( a )​

Hamas later responded to his statements on its Telegram channel that his words were taken "out of context."

By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
FEBRUARY 24, 2025 18:54 | Updated: FEBRUARY 24, 2025 22:51

A senior Hamas official admitted in an interview with The New York Times on Monday that if he had known the destruction that would be brought on to Gaza because of the October 7 attacks, he would have never agreed to it.

The Qatar-based head of Hamas's foreign relations office, Mousa Abu Marzouk, told NYT that he was not informed about the specific details that were being planned.

"If it was expected that what happened would happen, there wouldn't have been October 7," he said.

Hamas infiltrated southern Israel on October 7, 2023 and killed over 1,000 people and kidnapped over 250 people to Gaza. Since then, Israel and Hamas had been at war.

'Kind of a victory' that Hamas survived in the war
Abu Marzouk told the NYT that "Hamas's survival in the war against Israel was itself a kind of victory."

He also noted that it would be "unacceptable" to say that Hamas had won, "especially considering the scale of what Israel inflicted on Gaza."

"We're talking about a party that lost control of itself and took revenge against everything," he said when referring to Israel. "That is not a victory under any circumstances."

He also said that Hamas leadership is willing to negotiate about the group's future weapons in Gaza. "We are ready to speak about every issue," he said. "Any issue that is put on the table, we need to speak about it."

Hamas and hostages
When speaking about the remaining hostages who are still held captive in Gaza, Abu Marzouk said that if there were to be an extension of the first phase, Hamas would demand more prisoners be released because they consider the rest of the hostages to be IDF soldiers.

He also mentioned that Hamas was open to releasing all of the hostages at the same time if Israel were to release thousands of terrorists from the prisons and withdraw from Gaza, ending the war.

Hamas's response
Hamas later responded to his statements to the newspaper on its Telegram channel, saying that the NYT took his words "out of context."

The terror organization said that the interview was conducted several days ago and the published statements "did not reflect the full content of his responses."

"Dr. Abu Marzouk has emphasized that the blessed operation of October 7 was an expression of our people's right to resist and their rejection of the siege, occupation, and settlements," Hamas said.

"Dr. Abu Marzouk reiterated the movement’s firm stance on upholding our people's right to resistance in all its forms, including, foremost, armed resistance, until liberation and return are achieved," the terror organization continued.

Hamas concluded by stating that Dr. Marzouk said that "the weapons of the resistance belong to our people, serve to protect our people and holy sites, and cannot be relinquished or compromised as long as our land remains under occupation."

 

[World in Scarlet]

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[Solid Hyrax]

Yair Lapid, current opposition leader in the Knesset. In his almighty idiocy has come forth (archive) with an alternative for the transfer deal:

• Give Egypt control over the Gaza strip for 15 years
• In return Egypt gets all of its external debt of $155 Billion be forgiven by the international community

Translation transcript:

I recently presented a plan in Washington for the day after the war in Gaza. At the center of the plan: Egypt will assume responsibility for Gaza for 15 years, while at the same time its external debt of $155 billion will be canceled by the international community.

After nearly a year and a half of fighting, the world is surprised to discover that Hamas still controls Gaza. No one in the current Israeli government has presented a realistic alternative. For political, religious, and sometimes messianic reasons, the Netanyahu government has failed to take steps to create an effective government in Gaza that would push Hamas out.

On our southern border, there are 2 major problems that threaten the security of Israel and the entire region:

1. The world needs a new solution for Gaza: Israel cannot agree to Hamas remaining in power, the Palestinian Authority is unable to manage Gaza, Israeli occupation is undesirable, and a continued state of chaos is a serious security threat to Israel.

2. The Egyptian economy is on the verge of collapse and threatens the stability of Egypt and the entire Middle East: the external debt of $155 billion does not allow Egypt to rebuild its economy and strengthen its army.

For these two problems, we propose one solution: Egypt will assume responsibility for managing the Gaza Strip for 15 years, while the external debt will be covered by the international community and its regional allies. During this period, Gaza will be rebuilt and the conditions for self-government will be created. Egypt will be the central player and will oversee the reconstruction, which will further strengthen its economy."

This solution has a historical precedent: Egypt ruled Gaza in the past, this was done with the support of the Arab League, with the understanding that this was a temporary situation. The Egyptians held the Gaza Strip under protection on behalf of the Palestinians. This is what needs to happen again today.

Program components:

The rationale:

Israel wants to transfer control of Gaza to a party other than Hamas that has the ability to maintain security.

2. Gaza cannot be rebuilt without a competent body that will oversee the effort and maintain security, together with the State of Israel.

3. Israel and Egypt have a deep and long-standing strategic relationship with US support.

4. Egypt has an interest in the stability of Gaza and the entire region.

5. Egypt wants to prevent the idea of transferring the population from Gaza to Egypt.

6. Egypt has an economic stimulus that strengthens the government and helps feed its citizens.

Model:

1. The current ceasefire will be completed until all hostages are released, with Israel remaining in the perimeter.

2. Egypt will take control of the Gaza Strip through a UN Security Council resolution, including internal security and civilian administration.

3. Control will be defined as "custodianship" with the aim of transferring Gaza to the Palestinian Authority after a process of reform and de-extremism, with measurable indicators.

4. The reconstruction process will begin under Egyptian supervision, with Saudi Arabia and the Abraham Accords countries participating in working group activities along the lines of the Negev Forum.

5. The US will invest in Gaza in cooperation with Egypt (according to the Trump plan).

6. Egypt will allow any Gaza resident who wishes to leave and has somewhere to go to do so in a regulated manner.

7. Egypt will work to prevent weapons smuggling into Gaza, to destroy the tunnels, and to eliminate the remaining terrorist infrastructure.

8. An Egyptian-Israeli-American security mechanism will be established to deal with immediate threats.