The Legend of Heroes Series - Possibly The Most Underrated JRPG Series

ShitLurker said:
Agreed, and it's incredibly revealing how irrelevant NPCs are in most other RPGs after getting used to going full tism with the Trails series. Though talking to all NPCs after each event really does add up on the playtime and I have also noticed that the little NPC stories are either less interesting than in earlier entries or maybe I'm just tired of doing the rounds. Whenever I get to Kuro 2, I may decide to pass or only stick with the NPCs that really grab my attention.
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Anton my nigga.
 
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I bet Asmongold will cover this and create a Trails shitstorm.
 
Slap47 said:
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I bet Asmongold will cover this and create a Trails shitstorm.
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Rev seems to be a year late to the grift since that's a Kuro 1 screenshot. I am still amazed that loli manvoice is so popular when he should make any normal person's skin crawl...

Still, lets see what this devolves into though I can't see Falcom suddenly giving a shit.
 
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NISA gets criticized -> People bring up Xseed's work.

Curious.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Her flashback on being the only child in the orphanage not being raped only to show in the end that she imagined all the other children there pretty much makes it certain. Though I wouldn't be surprised it would be retconned.
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There actually were other children in the lodge, though they weren't allowed to see or interact with each other. Renne didn't quite imagine them, she "absorbed" their personalities, and essentially roleplayed as them, until they started to "die" one by one as her mental defences broke down, until Cross was the last, remaining one. Renne was the only survivor of that particular lodge.
 
The translation is definitely too quriky and meme-heavy. Not the worst, I guess. But I think the folks at NISA try too hard to spice it up. English voice cast is really oddly hit and miss. Yuri Lowenthal as the Garden Master isn't even trying in this.

Pretty happy that the Sky remake is being localized by a different company.

Plot wise, I can see why people called Daybreak II a filler game. Probably should have been called a sidestory instead of a proper sequel.
 
Are the translators the reason the series suddenly went super woke? Or is that Falcom being retarded?
 
Ser Prize said:
Are the translators the reason the series suddenly went super woke? Or is that Falcom being retarded?
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It's not really woke. It's just a classic case of JP writers fucking around with gender as a writing experiment. Nasu does this shit, urobuchi does this shit, Sca-ji crushes this shit, snorts it, and causes a traffic accident doing this shit.
 
AWarmToiletSeat said:
It's not really woke. It's just a classic case of JP writers fucking around with gender as a writing experiment. Nasu does this shit, urobuchi does this shit, Sca-ji crushes this shit, snorts it, and causes a traffic accident doing this shit.
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I was talking about the sudden white supremacist shit and hardcore pro immigrant stuff in one of the newer games.
 
Ser Prize said:
Are the translators the reason the series suddenly went super woke? Or is that Falcom being retarded?
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Nips were complaining about the racism stuff a bit even before NISA brought Daybreak games over. Learning about how Japan has a surprising amount of Kurdish muzzies has been really interesting lately.
 
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Ser Prize said:
I was talking about the sudden white supremacist shit and hardcore pro immigrant stuff in one of the newer games.
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Can confirm that Kuro made very little sense to me how it gave me those "white supremacy are bad" vibes along with the "sandniggers are lovely" spiel. I played the fan translation so it was definitely a core aspect of the game.

I rationaloze it as standard shounen "lets all get along" and that kiseki is lollypops and rainbows land. But the game tackled it incredibly poorly.

The nationalists are bad cause they are mean and that's it, there are supposed mentions about tensions but you never see anything real outside of cartoon racism.

But then again the game wants you to look at their triad mafia as "wholesome guys that get rough here and there to keep things nice".

World building has always been one of Kiseki's biggest strengths, but Calvard being a multicultural hodhepodge suffering from growing pains was done very poorly as far as I'm concerned.

FatMebius said:
Nips were complaining about the racism stuff a bit even before NISA brought Daybreak games over. Learning about how Japan has a surprising amount of Kurdish muzzies has been really interesting lately.
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This I'd like to know more about.
 
ShitLurker said:
This I'd like to know more about.
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Mostly it's that there's a surprising amount of Kurdish immigrants/refugees in Japan. And their behavior there is about as good as you'd expect. Lots of "cultural enrichment" of young girls on the subway and whatnot. The usual sorta shit that low IQ muzzies get up to whenever they deal with infidels.

I totally agree with you on Calvard being half-assed. I guess it was always sort of a mysterious country and they built it up for so many games that it'd always wind up falling short of my expectations, but still. It's a very kid gloves take on multiculturalism. Like, even when they introduce that other religion the Central Easterners practice, they immediately make sure to go "BTW, they worship Aidios too, but under a different name." Which immediately just makes there being multiple religions pointless.
 
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ShitLurker said:
Can confirm that Kuro made very little sense to me how it gave me those "white supremacy are bad" vibes along with the "sandniggers are lovely" spiel. I played the fan translation so it was definitely a core aspect of the game.

I rationaloze it as standard shounen "lets all get along" and that kiseki is lollypops and rainbows land. But the game tackled it incredibly poorly.

The nationalists are bad cause they are mean and that's it, there are supposed mentions about tensions but you never see anything real outside of cartoon racism.

But then again the game wants you to look at their triad mafia as "wholesome guys that get rough here and there to keep things nice".

World building has always been one of Kiseki's biggest strengths, but Calvard being a multicultural hodhepodge suffering from growing pains was done very poorly as far as I'm concerned.


This I'd like to know more about.
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Yeah I saw screencaps and it's almost comical. Don't they legit have someone being lectured about being bad because they didn't like an in-universe historical figure being race swapped?
 
Flopper said:
Do let us know what you think of C's route in Reverie, because I think it carries that game insanely heavily.
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Finished Reverie over the weekend. You are right that his route was the best. I was not expecting a Rufus redemption arc Other than that, I enjoyed the split arc structure, but the reverie corridor itself felt a bit like just filler content. If it wasn't for the daydreams locked behind it, I probably wouldn't have done it. (Even then, the daydreams were hit or miss).
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