GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Betonhaus]

Because it's not supported by the ATX standards which means any company making such a thing would have a severely limited userbase to sell into. I'm not even sure what problem this would solve.

Bigass fan and heatsink, and as GPUs get more powerful having expandable ram will become a thing, possibly even dedicated game storage

oh, and the GPU would actually be supported properly so you wouldn't need support stands or deal with gpu sag.

 

[klab]

Framework Announces New Gaming Mini Desktop
Framework unveiled an AMD AI Max+ 395 mini ITX PC w/ 128gb of RAM for $1999.
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It runs at 120W and can boost to 140W. You can also cluster it to run larger LLM's locally like Deepseek R1 671B. There's also a base model with an Ryzen AI Max 385 w/ 32gb of RAM for $1099.

Pretty cool. I want one of their laptops, but it's frankly difficult to justify when I can get better hardware for less. I'd really have to see and feel one in person before buying into the ecosystem.

 

[Fcret]

Bigass fan and heatsink, and as GPUs get more powerful having expandable ram will become a thing, possibly even dedicated game storage

oh, and the GPU would actually be supported properly so you wouldn't need support stands or deal with gpu sag.

GPU VRAM has extremely tight signaling requirements and it's unlikely that it's ever going to be socketable in the way main system memory is. Hell I'm not even sure how much longer main system RAM will remain socketable as speeds increase.

GPU sag isn't really an issue on properly made cards. If the PCB and heatsink are properly secured to the PCIE bracket and the PCIE bracket is large enough to be in spec for the weight, then you're unlikely to ever deal with sag. It's largely been an issue due to substandard AIB cards that either don't properly secure the heatsink and PCB to the bracket or try to use a two-slot bracket for a card that should really use a three-slot bracket. FE cards don't need extra support despite being quite large and that's because nvidia, for all their faults, don't cheap out when it comes to actually making their cards.

 

[Squishie PP]

Bigass fan and heatsink, and as GPUs get more powerful having expandable ram will become a thing, possibly even dedicated game storage

oh, and the GPU would actually be supported properly so you wouldn't need support stands or deal with gpu sag.

At that point, you would be better off using an external GPU enclosure that can accomodate the card to a better degree. You would of course need to use an external connector like Oculink or one of those weird NVME connectors sometimes used in servers.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Pretty cool. I want one of their laptops, but it's frankly difficult to justify when I can get better hardware for less. I'd really have to see and feel one in person before buying into the ecosystem.

They are undercutting every other Strix Halo product that I saw with their desktop. For now. I bet Minisforum will come out with some even cheaper ones (but difficult to repair).

I doubt Strix Halo will make sense for pure gayymers, but at their $799 entry for Mainboard only, you are basically getting a $300 9700X (overpriced), a $250-300 GPU (overpriced), motherboard, and 24 GB of RAM (subtracted 8 GB for VRAM).

Framework is selling it with a 400W PSU, but cheap 250W trash might be enough.

 

[The Ugly One]

At that point, you would be better off using an external GPU enclosure that can accomodate the card to a better degree. You would of course need to use an external connector like Oculink or one of those weird NVME connectors sometimes used in servers.

I think we're on the cusp of cases being designed around the GPU with the CPU being a plug-in module. Soon, entire houses will be built around your GPU.

 

[Mister Fister]

This was a real eyeroll:



Nonetheless, even though my local convenience store specified that they were no longer stocking Pepsico products, it didn't explicitly state that it was dropping Mountain Dew.

That thread is 99% virtue signaling and sour grapes. It's retarded.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Final specifications of AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 GPUs leaked

This might have been known but the 9070 non-XT is 87.5% of Navi 48, but with substantially lower clocks and TDP than the XT. Except there is no reference card so we'll see what the AIBs actually do.

MicroCenter lists Radeon RX 9070 series: RX 9070 XT starting at $699, RX 9070 at $649

Some last minute sneeding about the price. These are NOT MSRPs, and could be subject to change. But it is funny to see people pissed off. The launch event is on February 28, and 9070 series reviews will be out on March 5. RTX 5070 reviews are on March 4.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti said to be 180W, coming in 16GB and 8GB variants

Still looking like the same story as 40 series. 128-bit 5060 Tis, with an 8 GB SKU to get clowned on. Especially if there is a 12 GB 5060 later.

 

[4090 Chad]

128-bit 5060 Tis, with an 8 GB SKU

Who the fuck is buying this? Third worlders are too poor to buy new nvidia cards.

If you’re a basic esports gamer and don’t play AAA games, you could just buy used cards for cheaper. I have to assume the largest buyer of these cards are OEMs so they can just shove the cheapest new nvidia shit in the PC and mark it up and hope retards buy it.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Who the fuck is buying this? Third worlders are too poor to buy new nvidia cards.

If you’re a basic esports gamer and don’t play AAA games, you could just buy used cards for cheaper. I have to assume the largest buyer of these cards are OEMs so they can just shove the cheapest new nvidia shit in the PC and mark it up and hope retards buy it.

An 8 GB 5060 Ti definitely sounds like the kind of card that will end up in $1,000 pre-builts. Some of them using the NEW Ryzen 5 5605G.

 

[4090 Chad]

An 8 GB 5060 Ti definitely sounds like the kind of card that will end up in $1,000 pre-builts. Some of them using the NEW Ryzen 5 5605G.

>producing chips that still use Vega architecture in 2025.

 

[The Ugly One]

That thread is 99% virtue signaling and sour grapes. It's retarded.

I can only conclude from this saga that Usenet was full of people posting absolute unhinged outrage that the IBM PC would not run any software from the Series/1.

 

[George Lucas]

The holy trinity of my wallet getting fucked in the ass:
Nvidia the Father
Intel the Son and
Valve the Holy Spirit

 

[Fcret]

Who the fuck is buying this? Third worlders are too poor to buy new nvidia cards.

If you’re a basic esports gamer and don’t play AAA games, you could just buy used cards for cheaper. I have to assume the largest buyer of these cards are OEMs so they can just shove the cheapest new nvidia shit in the PC and mark it up and hope retards buy it.

Cheap new cards that don't consume much power that you can stick in a low-end PC for media/light gaming and you don't have to deal with AMD's questionable software. Deffo OEMs buy in because you can ship a cheap 'gaming' prebuilt with nvidia slapped on the marketing but also they're nice if you just want something to stick in a surplus PC as you often won't even need a new powersupply if you're willing to gamble on SATA-to-8pin adapters (and a 4060/5060 is really the only class of card I would be willing to use with those connectors).

They are also popular outside the US because the used GPU market tends to be much worse and AMD sometimes isn't even cheaper meaning that a xx60-class GPU might legitimately be the only option a lot of them can afford. AMD being cheap and plentiful seems to be really dependent on where you live.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

The holy trinity of my wallet getting fucked in the ass:
Nvidia the Father
Intel the Son and
Valve the Holy Spirit

Son, put all your faith (not money!) into Matrox. They will save us. Soon they will make the best chip ever while working with Imagination. The drivers will be incompatible with Steam for unknown reasons and it will never be resolved so a new storefront will rise. It will rise, free from all ailments and annoyances that other storefronts had!

 

[George Lucas]

Cheap new cards that don't consume much power that you can stick in a low-end PC for media/light gaming and you don't have to deal with AMD's questionable software. Deffo OEMs buy in because you can ship a cheap 'gaming' prebuilt with nvidia slapped on the marketing but also they're nice if you just want something to stick in a surplus PC as you often won't even need a new powersupply if you're willing to gamble on SATA-to-8pin adapters (and a 4060/5060 is really the only class of card I would be willing to use with those connectors).

They are also popular outside the US because the used GPU market tends to be much worse and AMD sometimes isn't even cheaper meaning that a xx60-class GPU might legitimately be the only option a lot of them can afford. AMD being cheap and plentiful seems to be really dependent on where you live.

There are countries where AMD is so derided they don't even get stocked, so you can't even buy AMD in those countries even if you wanted to.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

but at their $799 entry for Mainboard only,

For a laptop platform that's everything you need if you have a dock(some monitors have it built in) and it has a USB-C connection(or two, or a power-connector, probably needs more power than just USB-C). I haven't looked into what that thing is but if it is what you say you could just let the naked mainboard dangle behind a modern monitor and use it as a stationary computer. Or PowerMac, whatever Apple calls it.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

For a laptop platform that's everything you need if you have a dock(some monitors have it built in) and it has a USB-C connection(or two, or a power-connector, probably needs more power than just USB-C). I haven't looked into what that thing is but if it is what you say you could just let the naked mainboard dangle behind a modern monitor and use it as a stationary computer. Or PowerMac, whatever Apple calls it.

Most people are gonna use it with some kind of a case. The point is that it is a CPU+GPU+motherboard+RAM, parts that can easily add up to $800. You get a heatsink preinstalled but no fan.

Looking at it, another $500 gets you the 16-core with 40 CUs, and 64 GB. Then it's another $400 to hit that magical 128 GB.

 

[Betonhaus]

For a laptop platform that's everything you need if you have a dock(some monitors have it built in) and it has a USB-C connection(or two, or a power-connector, probably needs more power than just USB-C). I haven't looked into what that thing is but if it is what you say you could just let the naked mainboard dangle behind a modern monitor and use it as a stationary computer. Or PowerMac, whatever Apple calls it.

Usb-c docks suck hairy donkey balls.

I had a Lenovo laptop I was planning to use as a desktop with a OEM thunderbolt dock, everything worked fine most of the time except that every time I started or woke the computer there was a 1 in 3 chance the displays won't connect and I'd have to plug and replug in the dock until they worked, wearing out the usb ports over the course of a few months. If I get a laptop with a docking station again I won't even bother with one that uses a Type-C connector.

 

[Fcret]

Usb-c docks suck hairy donkey balls.

I had a Lenovo laptop I was planning to use as a desktop with a OEM thunderbolt dock, everything worked fine most of the time except that every time I started or woke the computer there was a 1 in 3 chance the displays won't connect and I'd have to plug and replug in the dock until they worked, wearing out the usb ports over the course of a few months. If I get a laptop with a docking station again I won't even bother with one that uses a Type-C connector.

It's not the standard itself but rather just bad chipsets. I ended up returning my 2022 System76 Pangolin because the AMD chipset in it just absolutely refused to properly support alt-dp mode over USB-C without shitting itself (and I tried three different replacement machines before opting for a refund). Meanwhile on my Macbook Pro, alt-dp over thunderbolt works without issue and it's the same on the laptop provided by my employer.

Also I'm gonna add that, in my experience at least, OEM thunderbolt docks are often some of the worst on the market. If you want to dock it up, you really should be getting a proper wall-powered TB4 or TB5 dock from a reputable maker of such things like Caldigit or Anker and you're going to be paying a few hundred for it.