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DiseasedPorn Addicts / Gooners / Coomers / /trash/ / 2chen / Sturdychan - Porn addicts that are proud of their degeneracy and want to spread it around the people. This is not a porn debate thread!
I think we need to be careful about accusing people of EPI just because they're porn artists. It's extremely negligent, but a lot of them just don't think about it. They treat the emoji like it's a magical charm that wards off children if you stick it in your bio.
A lot of furries (and probably cartoon guys more generally) never stop to think about how weird it is that a lot of their spank material is derivative of children's media.
Good exposé of Komdog. Sometimes I wonder if children of members of CIA/military are doing these things, """off the book""". While Isabella Loretta Janke tortured Chris-Chan for funsies and wasn't doing it as an alphabet soup agency psyop, you sometimes wonder "What if she were?". Don't forget Jimmy/MrBeast. The guy has a mother in the military backing him up.
As for your point here, you're on the point: they treat the "no one below 18 interact with me" as a form of "I cannot be held accountable if this person uses my media for his/her use."
I tend to think that most of what we see is organic, and that whatever spookier groups might be there link up somewhere later along the line (for the blackmail angle and/or social engineering).
I've heard people elsewhere have a similar suspicion that all the high-quality PMV editing is done or seeded by feds or something (Rachel Wilson is an example; she's also got her own thread, incidentally), but I think that's really underestimating the competence of some of the people who get involved in this stuff on their own terms.
I think we need to be careful about accusing people of EPI just because they're porn artists. It's extremely negligent, but a lot of them just don't think about it.
>porn "artists" These kikes draw deranged pornography of children's media and spread it around purposefully on the mainstream. They do think about it. They do not care if children see it, most of them want them to. They actively profit off of it. Porn producers benefit from enslaving their consumers early on, they bait children with imagery that is familiar to them.
It's an insurance thing, as in "I am not responsible or accountable for children consuming my poison"
They don't want to ward off children, quite the opposite.
A lot of furries (and probably cartoon guys more generally) never stop to think about how weird it is that a lot of their spank material is derivative of children's media.
Minus_8 is a known pedophile, his animations are purposeful EPI, they're all based off of children's media for a reason.
They do stop to think about how weird it is, it's what gets them off : breaking taboos. You said it yourself.
I would assume the reason that a lot of this stuff is derived from children's media is largely symptomatic of there just not being much mainstream adult animated and furry media.
Again, this is not true, they get off to it is precisely because it's children's media, they are breaking a taboo and it gets them off.
Animated cartoons attract children, that's what they're for. South park is an adult show yet it attracts children regardless. Cartoon pornography is something that shouldn't even exist in the first place, and the reason it does exist is because it was born as a perversion and distortion of regular cartoons.
These people do as much damage as the big mainstream porn companies and they profit off of it in the exact same way, it's two sides of the same coin.
>porn "artists" These kikes draw deranged pornography of children's media and spread it around purposefully on the mainstream. They do think about it. They do not care if children see it, most of them want them to. They actively profit off of it. Porn producers benefit from enslaving their consumers early on, they bait children with imagery that is familiar to them.
I was going to say that if you think the majority of guys drawing Pokémon having sex with each other are pedophiles you're delusional, but you know what? I don't have the numbers on that. I'm actually not gonna make that bet.
I was going to say that if you think the majority of guys drawing Pokémon having sex with each other are pedophiles you're delusional, but you know what? I don't have the numbers on that. I'm actually not gonna make that bet.
Hard to say. On one had, the majority of human characters in Pokemon are like ten years old. On the other hand, they don't seem all that interested in the human characters in the first place.
Do not underqualify pedophiles. You are delusional if you believe that every lolicon on the internet is a 764 sextortionist setting out to irreversibly harm and damage children for their own gain. You're delusional if you think everyone drawing porn of fucking Pokémon- One of the largest pieces of media ever which is as popular with adult consoomers as it is with actual children are pedophiles. There is overlap- obviously. Sexualizing children is not normal behavior under any circumstance. But you cannot let the severity of that title slide. When 'pedophile' means 'antisocial loser who talks about anime children on the internet' and not 'a Demon given human form who's sole intent is to sabatoge an innocent child before they have even really started life' then you have inadvertently let the pedophiles have a victory. I think pedophile, I think Nick Bate. You think pedophile, apparently you think any furry porn artist who dares to sexualize a Pokémon (as opposed to a real animal). Some people I've seen, specifically some Gen Zers? They think pedophile, they think age gaps as small as 1 - 2 years, between adults. Where this is headed, we don't have a word for pedophiles that reflects pedophiles and not just perverts far overstepping the line. And as utilitarian as language inherently is, those subconscious associations are still very important to influence the cultural zeitgeist and people's instinctual reactions to the idea. Nazi?
There is also an inherent disconnect between real life and fiction. Some have a better grasp of this than others, but it still exists. These fictional characters exist in a memetic state, they aren't real, they don't age, they don't have trauma. There's official canon but you can say whatever you want in your fan 'art'. This goes both ways of course. Some have tried to justify lolicon by equating it with the fact that women in real life can have flat chests as adults. But the simple fact of the matter is that there are aspects of this dynamic that are up to the individual. You assume the worst and presume that everyone involved is interested purely because Pokémon is popular with children and thus anything derivative is tangentially related to children. There are going to be people who interpret it that way, but even EPI fetishism is usually more overt than this.
Do not underqualify pedophiles. You are delusional if you believe that every lolicon on the internet is a 764 sextortionist setting out to irreversibly harm and damage children for their own gain. Sexualizing children is not normal behavior under any circumstance. But you cannot let the severity of that title slide. When 'pedophile' means 'antisocial loser who talks about anime children on the internet' and not 'a Demon given human form who's sole intent is to sabatoge an innocent child before they have even really started life' then you have inadvertently let the pedophiles have a victory. There is also an inherent disconnect between real life and fiction. Some have a better grasp of this than others, but it still exists. These fictional characters exist in a memetic state, they aren't real, they don't age, they don't have trauma. There's official canon but you can say whatever you want in your fan 'art'. This goes both ways of course. Some have tried to justify lolicon by equating it with the fact that women in real life can have flat chests as adults.
This is a weird strawman, I didn't really mention lolicons in my post, but I hope you don't mean to say that they aren't pedophiles, because they are. Just because they don't enact their fantasies on real children doesn't mean they aren't pedophiles. Let's not turn this into a lolicon debate though.
You're delusional if you think everyone drawing porn of fucking Pokémon- One of the largest pieces of media ever which is as popular with adult consoomers as it is with actual children are pedophiles.
I never meant to say that all rule34 sloppers are pedos that like fucking children, I just meant that they couldn't give less of a shit if children are exposed to their content and they actively profit from it. A good chunk of them promote their stuff on youtube with no age restrictions.
I meant to say that the very appeal of something like pokemon porn is the fact that it is taboo, it's porn of children's media, porn addicts get desensitized and break taboos to reach a bigger high. I never said that getting off to it automatically makes you a pedophile.
You didn't, but the thread mentions Sturdychan by name, all of this stuff is directly relevant to the conversation at hand. As for what I mean when I separate the term pedophile from lolicons, Secret Asshole has a very detailed write-up on the topic (fixed the link) that illustrates how capital P Pedophilia is a lot deeper psychologically than just sexualizing children. It has more to do with power dynamics, sadism and control. Children being in the sightlines because they are vulnerable. Zoosadists are in the same vein and there is indeed a lot of overlap because of it.
can i just say despite this not being a porn debate thread, it is incredibly sobering to see the actions/interactions of people who watch porn every single day and are used to watching porn every day? it does make me feel better about myself that ive stopped that shit over a year ago. literally is like a fucking drug
can i just say despite this not being a porn debate thread, it is incredibly sobering to see the actions/interactions of people who watch porn every single day and are used to watching porn every day? it does make me feel better about myself that ive stopped that shit over a year ago. literally is like a fucking drug
This is not a porn debate thread but I am indescribably grateful that I somehow Mr. Magoo'd my way through the minefield of early internet without becoming one of these people.
While not every artist my be a paedophile, and paedophiles use their material as """recruitment""", we can all agree all these people who *specifically* target children's cartoon audience (minus-eight, I'm talking about in particular), producers and consumers are deserving of the bullet.
Decided to see if I could find anything interesting with a few word searches in the r/GOONED discord server.
"Magick":
"Tulpa":
This guy is referring to Bambi Sleep and derivatives (that's what Rachel Wilson was talking about in her article mentioned a few posts ago); these are infamous sissy hypnosis files alleged to use CIA brainwashing techniques or something.
Speaking of Bambi Sleep:
Interesting to see more overlap with the tulpa-talk.
"Possessed":
It's noteworthy that this particular server doesn't allow a lot of the iconography and lingo that's fairly ubiquitous in the gooner world, such as the QoS ("queen of spades"). There's a strict no politics and no religion (for or against) rule.
I came into this server operating on the understanding that you're going to find this kind of talk in any decently active gooning server, and that understanding appears to be vindicated. I wasn't expecting to see the tulpa-talk crop up in connection to Bambi Sleep, though—can't say that I've ever actually listened to those audio files.
I wanted to try and look in a "mainstream" server like this one (rather than, say, a furry one) because you're naturally going to see occult autism crop up more often in those fringe kinds of spheres that depend heavily on the imagination, and it'd make it hard to pin the correlation to gooning itself.
I could go find some deeper servers and find even more of this stuff, but I really don't to. This sucks.
I think as long as people understand that the fetish world in general is just the permeable membrane between polite society and the occult/glowing world, that's all you really need to know.
You're a better person than me for looking through these servers. Whenever I encounter anything to do with porn addiction or child grooming, I feel overwhelming dread. But it's interesting that these people believe in superstitions like chaos magic, tulpas, and possession. Much like prayer, I practice a kind of magic to give myself control over bad influences, though I recognize that it's psychological and not supernatural.
I think as long as people understand that the fetish world in general is just the permeable membrane between polite society and the occult/glowing world, that's all you really need to know.
It's more likely that people who believe in sex magic are orbiting this community of porn addicts rather than it being inherently occult. I don't think you have to believe in sex gods to join voice chats and jerk off with other losers.
You're a better person than me for looking through these servers. Whenever I encounter anything to do with porn addiction or child grooming, I feel overwhelming dread.
It's more likely that people who believe in sex magic are orbiting this community of porn addicts rather than it being inherently occult. I don't think you have to believe in sex gods to join voice chats and jerk off with other losers.
It's not a question of "likely"; the one (tulpas and magical practices) is the logical conclusion of the other (gooning).
Gooning isn't just faggots jerking each other off over voice and video; that's existed since time immemorial. Gooning is explicitly a fetish about being posessed by a porn demon. The obvious natural conclusion to that would be to incorporate either post-ironic or unironic occult techniques.
From "goonerpalace" (spoilered has a NSFW avatar):
Edit: I have no idea what CORE or "wintergarden" are.
But it's interesting that these people believe in superstitions like chaos magic, tulpas, and possession. Much like prayer, I practice a kind of magic to give myself control over bad influences, though I recognize that it's psychological and not supernatural.
That's how they start. They're Reddit scientism men (not to characterize you that way, of course) who think they're just "hacking their brains"—until they peel the skin off the orange, and realize that reductive physicalism in philosophy of mind is a comfortable, conventional habit of thought rather than an actual justified philosophical position. And by that point they've already got six My Little Ponies dancing on their shoulders, telling them to transition.
An example, from the r/furrygooners discord:
Now for some examples from Goonerpalace, which is way more active than r/gooned (I was surprised there was no-one on VC in that server; seemed kind of dead for the discord of the best-known gooning subreddit):
"Tulpa" (this search gets a ton of overlap with Bambi hypno as well):
You'll run into a number of "plural systems" in these groups; often they'll have a bot that lets them give their alters/tulpas/familiars their own profiles. Saw that first on an old Pony Hypnosis server back in the day, run by another self-described ceremonial magician.
"magick":
There's no logical reason to assume that all of your thoughts come from your own head. You'd assume so under reductive materialism, but that explanation of the mind is actually impossible given what we know about computers.
Materialist understandings of the mind require the brain to be essentially a computer—with neurons for logic gates. The issue is that there are many things humans do that computers never will (such as intuiting the presence of infinite regresses, or just having experience in general); the easiest examples to point to are the halting problem, the Mary's Room thought experiment, and Searle's Chinese Room thought experiment. This means that all AGI critiques also apply to materialist interpretations of the mind. There is no distinction between the psychological and the supernatural. Rather than get into that here, here's a few posts dealing with it:
I believe that I'm referring to a form of the halting problem. I'd need to fish the exact form of it out of lecture slides from the better part of a decade ago, if I still have them.
Computers don't work like we do. They can't look at a problem from the outside and "make the connection" that it's going to be an infinite regress before working it out unto eternity.
That's a property of intuition, not something that you can represent in logic gates (or neurons, for the same reason).
If they can't do it generally, then they're not actually doing it in the more limited cases. They're just pre-programmed for narrow situations; the computer is responding to flags set up for the situations—not analyzing the situations themselves to see if they'll halt.
You can't program a computer to recognize-at-distance and proactively avoid recursion, because computers don't actually understand anything. All you can do is set up rules ahead of time to keep it from falling into those situations; it's like damming a river.
They're like dominoes, or running water. They don't think and they don't intuit.
You may have misunderstood Gödel. He was saying what I'm saying. You can't use the rules of a formal system to prove that system—you need foundation from outside of it. There will always be axioms that are inuited, and not derived.
Even the above video, while accurately describing the discovery, mischaracterizes the take-away at the end by saying there's always an "unknown" at the core the the quest for truth. Un-derived is not "unknown"; this mischaracterization poisons a lot of people's understanding of Gödel.
It's very related to the issue Searle brings up in the Chinese Room thought experiment, which directly critiques AGI as a concept:
I've attached a pdf that goes into even more detail. You can apply all critiques of western autonomous reasoning to AGI, because they both try to do epistemology without intuition or revelation—the former in the abstract, and the latter as an applied materialist attempt to re-create the human mind.
Of course, if you disagree that's not a huge problem for the purposes of understanding this phenomenon. If psychologizing it all is what's comfortable, that's fine—but it's still necessary to recognize that what's happening is the historical "possession" phenomenon, whether you want to say that's supernatural or "just" brainwashing.
On that note, I'd like to venture outside of discord for a moment; you ever search the word "priapus" on SoundCloud? Well, here's what you get (for those unaware, Priapus was the Greek god of the phallus):
This is the molten core of what gooning is. Yeah there's all the pedophilia, but this is what's behind that.
Come to think of it, I think the best way to accurately classify "gooning" is probably as a more-or-less explicitly Satanic sub-genre of hypnosis fetishism—as a part of the broader Hypno "community". They're typically streaming from Hypnotube in their VCs; they don't have to be, but that's what I'd classify as "core gooning".
I'm actually surprised to find that this website doesn't seem to have a thread dedicated to hypnosis fetishism; the closest I could find was this thread discussing Bambi Sleep. The rest are mostly individual articles in Articles & News.
That's how they start. They're Reddit scientism men (not to characterize you that way, of course) who think they're just "hacking their brains"—until they peel the skin off the orange, and realize that reductive physicalism in philosophy of mind is a comfortable, conventional habit of thought rather than an actual justified philosophical position. And by that point they've already got six My Little Ponies dancing on their shoulders, telling them to transition.
No, I think they all believe black magic is real and view themselves as wizards making pacts with Satan. They're too busy gooning to introspect on their philosophy.
There is substantial empirical evidence linking thought processes to brain activity (e.g., fMRI studies, effects of brain damage on cognition). Also, you're asserting this claim without evidence. The burden of proof should be on those claiming thoughts come from outside the head, not the other way around.
This is a straw man of materialism. Materialism doesn't require the brain to be "essentially a computer" with neurons as simple logic gates. The brain-as-computer analogy is just that—an analogy or model, not a complete description. Neuroscience recognizes the brain as a vastly more complex system than digital computers, with massively parallel processing, biochemical processes beyond on/off states, and self-modifying architecture.
This is a mathematical limitation on computation, not evidence of supernatural powers. Humans cannot solve the halting problem either. We just have intuitive approaches that work in many cases.
This is a philosophical thought experiment about qualia and knowledge, not a proven limitation of materialism. Many philosophers have provided materialist responses.
This is an enormous logical leap that doesn't follow from the premises. Even if materialism had problems, that wouldn't automatically validate supernatural explanations.
No, I think they all believe black magic is real and view themselves as wizards making pacts with Satan. They're too busy gooning to introspect on their philosophy.
emoji like it's a magical charm that wards off children if you stick it in your bio.
