Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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I love how all Scarlet and Violet got was...more tera raids and some color burst thing. Did they even fix them!? As for ZA...not interested.

happy Pokémon day.
What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
What is the reason you hold Pokémon so dearly to your heart through adulthood?
Getting a Shadow Mewtwo with my family after a very close fight. We lost someone close to us in February, so I decided to name it after him. Even if he isn't a shadow hundo, I still use my Mewtwo for certain fights. Out of Go, getting Pokemon Blue from my Mom after school. I knew nothing about IVs, so my dumbass would beat the game with shitty Pokemon, unevolved Pokemon.

The games were fun, and back then I loved games involving pets like Pokemon and Monster Rancher. I was more of a MR guy, but Ruby and Sapphire were fun to play back then.

So far I am seeing more debates over which rival/player character in AZ is sexier over discussion over the actual gameplay on /vp/, lol
BTW Champions looks like it will not be a free game, if that's what you're wondering. You will need to pay for Switch Live or whatever the paid online is called too. It's going to be a mess, I don't see people dedicated enough to the game spending that much money when you can fire up Showdown, make a team and go to town. Normalfags don't care enough to set up a competitive team(not to mention spend enough money to get Pokemon they want from the games that have them) and will likely ignore it.
What was wrong with having in-depth online features in your MAINLINE game, again? DPP had Battle Frontier, Wi-Fi battles and GTS all under one roof, it wasn't dissected between several different games and apps AND you could always double dip with Battle Revolution.
If SV made lots of money for being a woke turd, I can see hardcore Pokemon fans and normies putting some effort into Champions if it's fun. Despite declining revenue, I still know people forking $100+ on Go (I'm one of them, but these events have been so ass I spent less on Go. I can't care for Kyurem's Fusion even though I should).

Everyone's so negative, goddamn. The graphics look like PLA, and that's fine. I don't play games for graphics, I play to have fun, and the whole city idea, and what they've shown looks like a big safari zone deal. And that sounds fun!
I try to play games for fun, but if it's ugly, buggy woke slop like SV there's a good chance the game might not be fun.
 
happy Pokémon day.
What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
ah fuck, you want me to choose? dick move man, dick move

god, what do I even pick. sticking only to mainline games. Pokémon being the only game I could play with the two friends I had? Becoming convinced that female Hippowdon was a shiny and going on a week-long hunt for one (in Heart Gold lol), trading one of my actual event mythicals for an obviously-hacked shiny Mew over the GTS just because I loved Mew that much and wanted one real badly, choosing my first starter, picking up physical copies of the gen 3 games and falling in love with Emerald, finding that stupid shiny Magikarp while I was hunting for a Feebas, getting two shinies AND POKERUS on a one-off Heart Gold save I was only running to test a challenge ruleset...

I'm gonna stop there but you could probably sum up a good third of my life in the context of this fucking series. It scares me a little bit to think about lol.

What is the reason you hold Pokémon so dearly to your heart through adulthood?
One word: potential.
I've always been a sucker for interesting premises with CAVERNOUS depths to explore through other means, and HOLY FUCK DUDE I'm not sure there's another series out there as deep as Pokémon.
It sounds stupid to say given that it is quite literally shallow mainstream slop in terms of theming, writing, etc. past gen 5 anyways, but I have yet to see a single franchise, gaming or not, with so many intricacies.

The fact that it's a nigh-omnipresent media icon means that almost every single product in existence has some kind of Pokémon version, no matter how obscure, often multiple.

The game's mechanics are relatively simple rock-paper-scissors, but there are thousands of tiny intricacies within it: movesets, abilities, items, base stats, gimmicks, etc etc. You could spend your whole life just testing out different combinations of Pokémon and I guarantee you it would take an entire planet's worth of people to get through 1/10 of the configurations that exist out there. I won't even get into the games' quality, which stayed consistently good for upwards of 15 years before they started fumbling the ball... I can't think of many other series off the top of my head that have achieved that kind of thing, but to be fair they also didn't have such incredibly efficient gameplay loops

The depth of the concept, removed from any context, may as well be infinite. There are over a thousand species at this point of almost entirely well-designed monsters, a monumental feat that I am impressed by on a daily basis, with the parallels to our real world implying millions upon millions more if only you have the imagination to create some fakemon of your own.

Those real-world parallels also provide ENDLESS opportunities for stupid what-if stories: you can do stupid shit like asking how the Holocaust would have gone if Hitler had Weezing at his disposal or you could do SUPER MEGA GIGA AUTIST shit like trying to recreate all of human history with the qualifier that there are super-powered animals around every corner that could kill you with a fart. Or you could even be boring and just see how the average office worker's life would change if he has a four-legged supercomputer made of steel do all his work for him. Given that I quite enjoy learning about history, culture, and the like, I've got a bit of a weakness for that kind of stuff and love it lots. Funnily enough, I think part of the reason that I got so attached to Pokémon vs Digimon even though I watched + loved + played both is because Digimon treats the real world more like something to escape from, while Pokémon augments the real world with magical creatures that live in harmony with humanity. The integration of real-world cultures might have helped hook me in even more than the Pikachus, come to think of it.

You could spend your entire life just on Pokémon. You could dedicate your life to collecting every single product, every single pixel, every single permutation of the brand. You could spend your whole life playing fan games, main games, spin-offs, bootlegs. You could devote your entire creative soul purely to shitty Pokémon-related alternate history. You could do almost anything involving this goddamned franchise and it would keep you busy for hundreds, if not thousands, of hours.

It's a kind of titanic and intimidating depth I've yet to find elsewhere. The closest I've gotten has been singular games without any series like Rimworld or Dwarf Fortress, and a lot of non-gaming media is restricted to a time limit or an author's lifespan so it tends not to achieve that kind of enormous size just by virtue of the format. It's also nowhere near as interactive, and although I can get lost in plenty of other fictional worlds I can never truly interact with them like I can Pokémon's.

Pokémon is the Himalayas to almost every other franchise or game's Appalachians, the Mariana to almost any other trench. It's kind of hard to look away from it, and if you're the right type of person it'll inflict you with a fever so intense that it becomes hard to think about much else. It's almost impossible to conquer, with even its smallest achievements being near-Herculean tasks (reminder: the smallest National Dex is gen 1's, and that still has 151 creatures in it), and it is so omnipresent around the world that you can never really escape it.

That was an incredibly long-winded way of saying nothing has ever managed to replicate what it does to my brain and I doubt anything ever will. It's basically the perfect game for me (with some exceptions, of course: I'd rather that the battles were more TRPG-based (AND HEY LOOK THERE'S A SPIN-OFF FOR THAT), I'd prefer some more emphasis on bonding with your critters and general life-sim stuff, etc.)-- an optimistic view of humanity in an alternate universe where there are BIG FUCKOFF DRAGONS (but no dinky spellcasters or strictly medieval tech) that provides endless opportunities for fan works-- and I'm incredibly lucky and grateful to be living in a world where I have something like that.

I deserve the puzzle pieces lol. Sorry for the spergery.
 
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MUST SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT NOBODY SEES IT COMING

I hate this fucking trend so much
Subverting expectations is all well and good if it fits. Obviously they plan to do something with Regional Forms to fit Franch or something but really why even bother
Well, you play as an immigrant starting fights in the streets of not Paris, so of course they wouldn’t.
Seemed more like you were just their on vacation to me and got roped into things by an immortal hobo and his pet flower.

It is certainly funnier that way.
 
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Gen 6 did a lot of things wrong but one of the few things it did get right was character design
Agreed.
I hope that this new game will have strong character customization options, like X&Y did, so that we can at least make something that looks good by ourselves if the default designs aren't going to do it for us.

Official art of the protags (unnamed as of now):
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Rivals, AZ, more art:
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looks laaaaaaaame and gay since the only girl without shorts or pants is a 70 year old CEO
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Serena simply set the bar too high.
There will never be another Pokémon character as fashion-inclined as her.

Dude do you remember AZ and Floette from the games you played
No.
Honestly, whenever I think back on past Pokémon games, I'm struck by how little I remember of the plot.
I remember routes that stood out, cool new Pokémon that were on my team, good music, and even character designs, but never the plot.

I would say that forgettable plots offer a growth opportunity for GF to work on that area of their games, but... I think they've actually been trying.

Its funny to me how Chikorita, who is arguably the worst starter ever made gets in.
I think that's the point. They picked disliked and overlooked starters on purpose.
If GF introduces regional evolutions for the game's starters (which seems like a safe assumption, since they did it in PLA), then it gives a chance for a previously-maligned Pokémon to evolve into something that more people will actually like.

Dinosaurs are objectively cool okay?
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BTW Champions looks like it will not be a free game, if that's what you're wondering. You will need to pay for Switch Live or whatever the paid online is called too. It's going to be a mess, I don't see people dedicated enough to the game spending that much money when you can fire up Showdown, make a team and go to town.
I think that Champions is meant more to be an entry point into competitive battling for people who want to get into it in some official capacity (beyond just fooling around on Showdown), but who are intimidated by having to spend a bunch of time breeding and EV-training their team, or they don't know where to start. Keep in mind how little people outside of our bubble actually understand.

Apparently, VGC has been growing a ton recently. I've heard about difficulties that they've been having with how big the tournaments are becoming, but I presume it's still making them money. And, of course, tournaments have value in how they grow the brand beyond just whatever they bring in during the event. Maybe TPC sees Champions as a way to reach a wider audience and to give more people who might've been on the fence about competitive battling an easier foot in the door.
I'll honestly be worried if they make it so easy to sidestep the normal grind that people no longer see the point of training Pokémon in the normal games, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

I'm sure that Showdown will still exist. But most people, probably even most current Pokémon players, have never heard of Showdown and never will. It's a random website. Sites are hard to just randomly discover these days if you haven't already been told about them.
Even with Champions possibly having some barriers to entry (like a small cost, or needing to pay for online), it's still going to be a lot easier to reach people with a game that gets official Ninteno ads and shows up in the eShop.

I was hoping for a massive region, and taking Legends Arceus and make it bigger and better. But it's just a city now.
You can still do a lot with a city if you make the city dense and the game really quest-focused. Think of Fallout: New Vegas, or Cyberpunk 2077, or Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. Those games are more or less confined to a single city, and they all work because they're more about getting involved in intriguing plots and quests and side stories and other characters' lives than they are about raw exploration.

I'm not saying that GF will make a game like that, but they could.

What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
What is the reason you hold Pokémon so dearly to your heart through adulthood?
Probably when my uncle got me a DS Lite and Diamond one summer, completely unexpectedly. I was still stuck playing Yellow version back then, just watching my friends play Gens 2 and 3 over their shoulders and just imagining what it would be like.
I loved my starter, Piplup. I loved the music. I loved exploring. But also, my uncle died between then and now. So Diamond, and everything about the time when I got it, is even more burned into my brain.

I have no idea. I actually fell off during college because of how busy I was then, around Gen 7. I only came back to the games late last year. Maybe it's just that they got me young, and the psychological hooks are in deep. But I just think that Pokémon are cool. And I want to take care of them.
 
I'll honestly be worried if they make it so easy to sidestep the normal grind that people no longer see the point of training Pokémon in the normal games, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
I mean, you can get EXP Candies real easy, you can perfect you stats with an item, you can switch your nature with an item, you can change your ablity with an item, you can chsnge the EVs with an item.

They have made it easy to sidestep training.
 
happy Pokémon day.
What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
What is the reason you hold Pokémon so dearly to your heart through adulthood?
playing through black 2 and it's post game for the first time. My first pokemon game was black 1 and I went straight into black 2 after I finished the first games. Black 1 was great but I was blown away at how much the unova sequels improved an already great pokemon game. The amount of content in black 2 was astounding to me at the time. especially since I was a little kid and haven't played anything more complicated than pvz before getting my 3ds. Both exploring new and revisiting old locations, the PWT, the black city facility, the legenderies all having unique or fitting locations, and especially the amount of battles throughout the game.

This is oddly specific, but I also enjoyed using non-unovan pokemon for the first time in black 2, since like I said my first pokemon game was black 1 and of course you could only obtain unovan pokemon in the first games. Now, I personally like most of the unovan pokemon but seeing all of those new pokemon that i've never seen outside of the anime was an amazing experience and probably what people back in the 90s playing GSC for the first time felt. I also went back and played hgss and plat and enjoyed them as well. The ds era in general was great (aside from diamond and pearl) but b2w2 remain my favourite out of all pokemon games both on the ds and in general (I know not a hot take in the slightest but still).

I still enjoy pokemon despite the overall dip in quality (probably an understatement). I could always go back to one of the older games or dabble in rom hacks and fangames. Like many other people have said in this thread, pokemon just has so much potential that unfortunately have been largely wasted by gamefreak. Even on the switch, I still see gamefreak at the very least trying somewhat with their games (aside from bdsp but again, this is not a hot take in the slightest), but something is clearly going wrong with devlopement or the heads of gamefreak. And I still enjoy a couple of the switch pokemon games casually even if they aren't perfect, like I enjoyed let's go, legends arceus, and hell even scarlet and violet despite their flaws, it's just the quality haven't been great since at the latest ORAS in 2014, which was literally a decade ago. And yeah it's pretty frustrating the gamefreak seems to care about mobile games rather than the mainline games and them being lazy overall, like using the same animations since xy back in 2013.

It would be nice if pokemon on the switch 2 turns out better than on the switch 1 but I won't hold my breath.
 
X & Y are already about 12 years old and there is a remake-ish out now?

What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
Waking up really in the morning to catch a Ledyba at sunrise in Silver?

Oh yeah, and lucky winning vs. Silver Elite Four, despite underleveled.

And there is also playing Red Rescue Team for the 1st time in the '00s.
 
You can still do a lot with a city if you make the city dense and the game really quest-focused. Think of Fallout: New Vegas, or Cyberpunk 2077, or Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. Those games are more or less confined to a single city, and they all work because they're more about getting involved in intriguing plots and quests and side stories and other characters' lives than they are about raw exploration.

I'm not saying that GF will make a game like that, but they could.
Well, that's the thing. The whole raw exploration of a region is a big part of why I really like just about every main Pokemon game that's come out so far. Even the ones on the Switch, with all of the quality assurance problems they have, there's so much to explore and find that the games don't explain to you. In fact, when I first played S/V, I did the "glitch" where you cross over the cliff to an area you're not supposed to be able to access before you go to the school, and you basically have free exploration of the entire region map before you even do the initial tutorials. Lol.

I'm not saying the game will be bad. It just doesn't look anything like what I wanted. It looks like a huge departure from all the other ones, and given that the previous Legends game was just like the other main series ones, but with additional features that a lot of people wanted, going this direction seems like a huge step backwards, and it looks like I will just wait and see what the next one is.
 
What is it with the newer TCG removing resistances that makes sense, like Sandshrew losing resistance to Lightning? Also, Fairy type?

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Went to reddit and saw some maps that players are doing for their hacks, quite cool

I hated how washed out the colors in GBA games are, you can add a little bit more contrast


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This other dude is remaking the Hoenn routes but spicing it up.

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I really believe pokemon games should have more secret areas to explore that are actually hidden and could not be found in a normal gameplay. With secret items to be found and extra quests. We know it is possible.
 

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What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
It's been an ever present force for most of my life, and also a weirdly effective way of breaking the ice with people when a new game comes out. It has also been empirically scientifically proven that chicks dig passionate and hot-blooded Pokémon trainers 😎

I had a Yellow cartridge that I loved to psychotically abuse with all of the insane gen 1 glitches. Yellow is pretty infamous for having volatile glitches. At some point either a glitch nuked a previous save file or I just started a new one, I don't remember, point is that I was on a new save file and wasn't doing any glitches. I get to Diglett cave, Diglett wants to fight, except it's not Diglett after all, because his name, level, and HP glitch the fuck out. The game locks up and starts shrieking staticky bloody murder that just keeps going and going and going. Restart, the save file is destroyed. Still to this day haven't heard about anything else like it. Very epic SCP creepypasta shit. The game consistently worked fine after that, too. It wasn't a battery thing or an emulator thing. I don't trust Digletts, there's some bad juju shit going down in that cave.

One of those days I want to play Scarlet and Violet, but specifically the 1.0 release day version because the glitches honesly look like the most compelling part of that game, and I don't really care at this point if the poor optimization bricks my Switch or something. At this point it probably emulates well enough that there's no ambiguity that glitches are baked in and the game was broken. I need my hyperrealistic Diglett bleeding-from-his-eyes fix, man.
 
Why'd they do that though? There was even Fairy-type energy cards before Fairy out.
IIRC the main reason for getting rid of it was balancing, if a Pokémon was Fairy-type its weakness was often Metal-type Pokémon. Turning Fairy-type Pokémon into Psychic-types for the TCG meant that they only had to balance 10 types instead of 11 and give Fairy-types more than just a Metal-type weakness.
 
I really believe pokemon games should have more secret areas to explore that are actually hidden and could not be found in a normal gameplay. With secret items to be found and extra quests. We know it is possible.
The GBA and DS era of games had a ton of these. Secret areas that were unlocked through event exclusive items or keys that had mythical mons in them.

Or the secret ruins in Hoenn that led to the three Regis. There are very few clues about this in the game, and you basically have to find it all yourself. It was a lot of fun finding them this way back in the day.

I'm also reminded of the Gen 4 DS games where even without event exclusive stuff, there were a lot of legendaries hidden in various caves that the game never tells you about beforehand, and you have to discover them all on your own.

The closest we've gotten to that recently were the hidden treasure Pokemon in Scarlet and Violet that you have to find by getting all of the hidden stakes. We don't get nearly enough of that though, and I wish it was brought back.
 
X & Y are already about 12 years old and there is a remake-ish out now?
Makes senes honestly.

It’s very obvious there is a BW remake planned or in the works.

Going 1 game at a time in terms of remakes is becoming untenable because of how many games there are.

It’s also been 8 years since LGPE and we are still in need of GSC remake. ORAS was 11 years ago,

They really need to honestly be able to remake faster.

Or figure out how to port older versions and just add updated trading and battling like RBY virtual consoles had.
 
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