US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Strix454]

What if it was staged and the outcome was planned and everyone had some knowledge or outline of the general beats they had to hit except for Trump? I mean Trumps whole “art of the deal, I make good deals, I’m a businessman who wants deals to be made, I made the deal” is kind of predictable when put into the right situation.

Those meetings in front of the press are always staged. But not staged in the way that happened yesterday. The way these things work is that the deal is supposed to be negotiated at lower levels before any of the top leaders get together. When they come together, its supposed to be to finalize a deal and play nice in front of the cameras.

If something happens in one of those meetings that is off-script, you are supposed to smile for the cameras, get through the meeting and deal with whatever the problem was later. What you are never supposed to do is what Zelensky did yesterday which is to argue in public. Especially not in someone else's country. You smile, eat shit and pretend to not understand.

You could tell from the looks of Zelensky's own people at the meeting that he was driving things off the rails and should have stopped. But he kept digging the hole deeper. Everything you could possibly do wrong in a meeting like that, he did wrong.

If all of them were acting yesterday, the reason for acting would have been to give Zelensky political cover in Ukraine to do a number of very unpopular things including signing the minerals deal and signing up for peace talks with Putin. But I think most of the interactions were way too personal and way too weird to have been any kind of acting. If they wanted to give Zelensky political cover, I think it would have been done in a different way.

 

[NSA Intern]

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All 30.000 of Sweden's troops are ready to take on 69 men at once!

What do you mean, in a battle?

 

[Strix454]

That's not entirely fair. Even in the US military, most of its personnel are support staff. You have about 3 to 5 people in support roles for every 1 soldier whose role is to fight in a front line capacity. These aren't bullshit roles, either. You need cooks, mechanics, medical staff, intelligence officers, truck drivers, and even HVAC technicians.

Everyone giggles about 91Cs until they're in a desert with no air conditioning.

6800 includes the people inside the army of Sweden in support roles. I understand the point that you are making, but the amount of useless overhead in europe is at a whole different level.

 

[Male Idiot]

Sweden is getting to invade Ram Ranch.

My friend, Sweden can't invade Ram Ranch.

Sweden is Ram Ranch!

 

[ChefKiss]

I love how lefttards are like "THE WORLD WILL NEVER FORGIVE US FOR THIS!!"

The world does not care about Ukraine. Europe does. And despite how they want you to believe, Europe is not the world.

Which is why we must immediately abandon Europe to the wolves, if not outright destroy them ourselves. It is a threat and an affront to everything American.

Europe doesnt care about Ukraine, political leaders and a select breed of reddit freaks do, the majority of people in Europe want Ukrainians to fuck off home and take all the assorted scum that snuck in under the refugee banner with them. Even the bleeding heart retards who were initially taken in by the media propaganda changed their tune when Ukrainian women starting prostituting themselves and their children next door to them to the salivating pakis and indians who hang around the area

 

[Step out of the car sir]

Either Zelenskyy begs for forgiveness and strikes a peace deal, or Russia finishes off Ukraine

Deserved ending for a fucking moron, a melty in front of the world stage leading to a White House kicking and calling Vance a bitch is toddler shit.
Trump and Vance weren’t even that hard on him, imagine having an ego like that after killing so many of his own in a glorified turf war for literally nothing but profit.

 

[Strix454]

Their "special reconnaissance vehicles" when they were deplyed in Chad, East Timor, Angola, Mali, Somalia or the Congo were just Ford pick-ups with a shitload of guns on it lmao.

In Chad, Mali and Somalia, a pick-up with a shitload of guns is almost the ideal weapons system and its also alot of the time what they are going to be fighting against (except the locals will probably be in Toyota pick-up trucks).

 

[NSA Intern]

Deserved ending for a fucking moron, a melty in front of the world stage leading to a White House kicking and calling Vance a bitch is toddler shit.

I think almost nobody but me noticed, but early on in the full 50-minute conversation Trump states that Ukraine will have to make some concessions but not as bad as people fear. Zelensky was half out of camerashot, but he frowned, looked slightly down and shook his head. The slav is not mentally ready to accept any deal that is not 'Russia leaves to the border it started at and gives us back the Crimean peninsula and likely gives us reparations'.
That was why he was pushing so hard for explicit security concessions. Why he needled Trump over and over.

 

[Terrifik]

zelensky does not look strong from this. he immediately backpedaled with a wall of tweets where he might as well have said uwu mistew twump i'm so sowwie!

Pretty much Trump called zelensky out on the war. That usa is just pay check for the war .
Twitter post are to coverup the fact he is ungrateful for American sacrifice for the war.
*American can miss trillions in taxpayer for not going to www3.
*Biden family doesn't go to jail on blackmail.
*Zelensky ride off into sunset after the warends.-exilled from Ukraine.
*Russia will be weakened """
*drone warfare is tested

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

My cope is that the Irish troops ironically get far more experience being the UNs dogs and being literally the only competent units there that don't rape everything on 2 legs. The Irish Rangers also win a lot of marksmen plaudits when they do wargames with other militaries. : ( They only started boarding drug trafficking ships in 2023 in our waters to good success. 157 million euro of cocaine was seized after a hostile boarding action of a cargo hauler. Their "special reconnaissance vehicles" when they were deplyed in Chad, East Timor, Angola, Mali, Somalia or the Congo were just Force pick-ups with a shitload of guns on it lmao. Lot's of Cu Chulainn and Fianna warrior-band LARPing apparently.
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That's because the Irish government is filled with communists. The only time that the Irish military did anything openly heroic was Jadotville, but the UN didn't care about it because they were too busy dealing with the KGB assassination of Dag Hammarskjöld. Meanwhile, the Irish government was upset that Patrice Lumumba got wasted - who was openly stating he wanted to side with the Soviets if the UN didn't extirpate the Belgians. Hell, it wasn't until 2005 that the Irish government pardoned the unit and its commander, Pat Quinlan, for the crime of surrendering when they ran out of ammunition. The Irish soldiers fought until they had no bullets left. Their job was literally to prevent the Katangese from slaughtering the white population and they couldn't do that with no bullets. Lumumba's family, which has ties to Ireland's Labour Party, eventually relocated to Ireland and reside in Dublin.

If anyone hasn't already, watch The Siege of Jadotville. It's actually extremely historically accurate in terms of how the battle went down. Quinlan and his soldiers did a hell of a job while his superiors did nothing to help them, which was something the Irish government covered up. None of the Irish soldiers were killed, while they wasted around 1,000 Katangese mixed in with Belgian, French, and Rhodesian mercenaries. Incredible example of perimeter defense.

It gives me fucking agita thinking about the injustice.

6800 includes the people inside the army of Sweden in support roles. I understand the point that you are making, but the amount of useless overhead in europe is at a whole different level.

Fair enough.

Deserved ending for a fucking moron, a melty in front of the world stage leading to a White House kicking and calling Vance a bitch is toddler shit.
Trump and Vance weren’t even that hard on him, imagine having an ego like that after killing so many of his own in a glorified turf war for literally nothing but profit.

I'm still somewhat flabbergasted at how immature Zelenskyy acted about the whole thing. The media sucking his toes does not surprise me, but it will not help Ukraine. The US does not owe a fucking thing to the Ukrainians and it pains me to see the situation devolve to this point. These idiots are really willing to sacrifice an entire country for Orange Man Bad.

 

[CryptoHermit]

In Chad, Mali and Somalia, a pick-up with a shitload of guns is almost the ideal weapons system and its also alot of the time what they are going to be fighting against (except the locals will probably be in Toyota pick-up trucks).

There hasn't been any strife between the locals whenever they were deployed as fare as I know. I guess not raping their daughters and extorting them for protection like what the Pakistani UN missions do imparts a positive informal truce among them. They actually took their peacekeeping seriously. A family member of mine had to hunt cattle raiders of some rebel group in Sudan for locals when he did a tour there.

 

[Schpoots]

 

[The Nothingness]

All I can think about lately given what's going down with social media reactions over Z-man's diplomatic failings is imagining how absolutely clown shoes WW2 discourse would have been if the internet were a thing in the earliest of 1900s prior.

"Lost Japanese pilot has accident in harbor"
"Owens shames hitler by beating "ubermensch" at olympics! #Owins!"
followed by
"Owens cancelled, declares that hitler never snubbed him but roosevelt did. #Reichism"

"US wipes out innocent Japanese citizens with atom bomb #WarCrimes"

 

[pwnest injun]

Rwanda is unironically the Switzerland of Africa. It's no longer the absolute shithole it used to be.

They're literally invading the DRC right now through proxy militias .

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

Europe will do little because as a unit they can do little. Where has their money gone since the end of the Cold War, as a unit? They took that peace dividend and spent it on gibs. Who has the strongest army in Europe outside Ukraine? The UK? Please. Germany? Doubt it. France? Right now, probably Poland, then maybe Sweden and Finland, at their war strengths.

A couple of things I've noticed moving around in Eatsern Europe the last couple of years: There is a fuckload of American equipment which has moved into the area, and a fuckload of stationed troops (it seemed less over this summer, but I suspect they are still all over the place). Poland especially.

Romania has been building up their own military noticeably, and I have people there sending me videos of US tanks and APCs and artillery pieces moving through on trains regularly at night, as well as endless small vessels on the Black Sea and fighter jets flying over places like Sulina and Constanta pretty much daily.

The Baltic countries, Poland, and Romania must be shitting bricks right now over Zelenskyy's fucketry, since almost everyone you talk to there has been almost positive they were next for Russian expansion -- It's been this kind of nihilistic certainty, and Ukraine losing the US's favor probably has a lot of people panicking there. I'm sure the Moldovans are worried as hell right now.

Meanwhile, from what I can tell, nobody really likes Ukrainians, but they just dislike Russians more. I've even had Poles tell me "The only people we hate more than Ukrainians is Russians, so that's why we support them."

 

[Delany's Donkey]

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i love this man so fucking much.

 

[JosephStalin]

If they're talking about US forces stationed in Norway I'm pretty certain they are there as part of efforts with NATO.

So it's entirely possible this was an incredibly stupid move.

Also, looking from the map in post 44726, keep in mind Norway borders Russia in the far north. There's a USMC force with pre-positioned equipment in northern Norway intended to help the Norwegians defend that area. The USMC and Norwegians exercise periodically.

If this supplier doesn't want to provision American forces suggest the Norwegian military will get someone else, or do it themselves and buy the needed fuel from other suppliers.

Looking at the map again, the numbers frankly are strange. Some of these are numbers at full mobilization. Don't believe Portugal maintains a force of 242,000 and Finland, a country of about five million, maintains a force of 251,000. These numbers must include mobilized reservists/national guard-equivalents. And Sweden's numbers are wrong.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.php?country_id=sweden

For reference, here's a global listing from this organization.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php

 

[behindyourightnow]

Zelensky really should have gotten a translator. His English is poor and he struggled to make a point. His worry about Russia not being a reliable deal keeper really could have been expressed quicker and better . His comment about US possibly being attacked by Russia one day came across as a threat.

Did you notice that Zelensky responded to a comment about "not holding the cards" with a comment about how he's not playing cards?

I'm 99% sure he simply didn't understand that the idiom "holding the cards" just means "having leverage," and thought that Trump was referring to gambling or playing games. An absolute linguistic disaster.

 

[JustSomeDong]

They still use diesel generators.

Exactly. Nucs still need fuel, for when the "tea kettle" isn't lit. I don't know how often they'd shut the reactor down at sea, but I'd guess they'd need to, on occasion, to replace a widget or other maintenance, but I'm just an armchair nuc at best.

Carriers and large ships also bunker avgas and bunker fuel for smaller ships, but nuc subs probably refuel at a submarine tender, anyways. That is why its disingenuous bordering on fabrication.

Murrica don't play around with the nucs too much. Maybe fuel for small watercraft would be needed on a sub, too. But, again. That is why we have tenders and support ships. I doubt many nucs call on commercial fuel ships.

 

[0713]

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Trying to get rid of drugs completely is like trying to get rid of porn.
It's nonsense because the demand will always be there.
The tools necessary to achieve that could easily be abused and suddenly you don't have a free country anymore.
Just keep it in control, as safe and manageable and small as possible, so it doesn't cause too much harm to society, in general.
Also also, when you make crack so expensive that the cracker who's ruining his life on it can't afford it anymore, he'll just start sniffing glue or paint or something. You're not actually fixing anything.

I wouldn't mind droning the international suppliers, though, like the Mexican cartels and the chinks.