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Should be a wild four years.

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OK, seriously: can anyone here give me an unbiased, agenda-free quick rundown on the meeting between Zelenskyy and Trump? My entire social media is on fire from angry shitlibs crying about muh Ukraine, I'm seeing Redditards seething as usual, mainstream news sites are giving me the predictable orange man bad shtick, and Youtube is recommending me right wing grifter channels bragging about how Ukraine has been buckbroken by Trump. I don't know who to trust, and these threads are going fast. What honestly is happening?

The Ukraine is a buffer country between the front lines of two great powers (NATO and Russia). As per US foreign policy starting roughly with the Korean war, we fund powers in opposition to Russia and they fund powers in opposition to us. We even tried direct intervention in Nam but it didn't work out too great for anyone but Lydon Johnson's and his stock portfolio. Now a days we just throw money and weapons about to reach their sell by date at these places and the Russians do the same (Ever notice the dune coons always have AKs?). Maybe run some bombing sorties over contested airspace, drone a few weddings (the boys need air time anyway). This is a means of containing and slowing the Russians (or their proxies).

Zelenskyy was fine with this aid arrangement, he's in a war, he just needed the weapons but now we are at the turning point of the war, the Ukraine is a small country that never had the man power to make prolonged war with a territory as large as Russia (don't let the press fool you). Zelensky has deluded himself into thinking that Europe/The US (NATO) will remain committed to this war, throwing good money after bad at best and kicking off WWIII at worst. Trump has basically put his foot down and said "There is no manpower, there are no weapons, there is a cease fire we have already negotiated that you will sign if you want your country to exist tomorrow." I can feel for Zelenskyy, he just threw his entire population in the meat grinder for nothing... but I figure that he understood that from the beginning and that's why he flew his parents out and probably has a small chateau waiting for him somewhere. It will be interesting to see if he goes back home now/if that results in assassination.

This was always going to happen btw, this is the toc of US foreign policy, Joe sent the money 'Tic' and Donald negotiates the new border 'Toc.' look at Nam, Syria... We even managed to cut the Germans off of Russian gas and force them to buy from us! It's to a point where we are revisiting proxy wars for second and third rounds (see Afghanistan). We aren't helping for the cause, we are helping to achieve our political goals. Do I need to play the clip of GWB Sr. honoring the Taliban at a shuttle launch? :P
 
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Paul Kagame is unironically one of the best leaders of the 21st century and i really hope he has an equally competent successor planned.

I am quite cynical and jaded about the state of African nations, but legitimately his is one of the most humane to live in. I am sick and tired of western liberal democracies delusionally pushing their rules based order into Africa and only creating more death and suffering because Africans simply cannot handle those systems (Whites can barely at best either for that matter). Someone like Kagame, who crushes opposition with an iron fist, is unironically doing more for the common welfare of his people than any bullshit "freedom and democracy" can for people who simply can't handle it.
Rwanda is successful because Paul Kagame literally loots the Congo for all his country's wealth and resources. They barely produce anything, but about 30 years ago Rwanda hit big on a scam that they could occupy large sections of the Congo, enslave people, and loot minerals to sell as Rwandan. Kagame is a great leader because the West keeps fucking over his enemies. That's why Rwanda is successful, because they're a looter state.
Even during the colonial era that Europeans recognized the civilizational superiority of the Tutsis who run Rwanda now. That is why everyone in the post-colonial era worked so hard to get the the subhuman hutus to kill them all and bring appropriate African style government to Rwanda. They tried really hard in 1994 to wipe them out and most of the world looked the other way while it was going on.

But ironically the attempted genocide allowed the Tutsi to largely drive their subhuman animal hutu citizens out of the country and build something exceptionally well run for Africa. They probably have the best military in Africa.

Everything they are doing in DR Congo is absolutely for the best. Congo is an utterly hopeless place and the Rwandans can do go a good job bringing civilization to the areas of Congo they take over.
Bro, the Tutsis are literally a parasitic class who thrived on Hutu slave labor, and the Hutus did the right thing when they overthrew them. The Tutsis even call themselves Jews now, because they both got Holocausted (supposedly, nobody even knows how many Tutsis died) and because they're a tiny minority who runs everything. That's why Paul Kagame is WEF-approved, because he is replicating in Africa what the globalists are doing in Europe and America. Up to and including speciating themselves into a new race (the globalist race is like half Jew, half legacy white) to dominate us.
 
Brevity is the soul of wit, keep it simple stupid, etc. Now, let me totally contradict myself,

Besides the issue of length, there’s also disorganized messaging. I think the people designing these ads think they’re projecting competency. They’re not.
>Look at all the stuff I can list!
>Source?
>Citation needed

Or, at best, they are projecting competency to (a minority of) people with a certain disposition. To such individuals, having “sources” does make for an appealing ad. It provides opportunities for verbal oneupmanship, and that’s, like, a third of today’s political debates. There’s even a part of me that is sympathetic to the idea of more long-form political discourse and suspicious of soundbites.

The problem for these advertisers is that a bunch of fine print also conveys sneakiness, duplicitousness, legal maneuvering, etc. How many movies and television shows feature the devil (or someone aping his style) using the fine print on a contract to manipulate someone? A lot. So many that Metalocalypse goofed on this concept by having the main characters out-lawyer the devil. Fine print means “thing that will be used to fuck you over later on” to many people.

It would have been so easy to restructure this ad in a way that satisfies the policy-wonk crowd and everyone else. Have the best and coolest Democrat factoid in gigantic letters. Then another in slightly smaller font. Keep doing this until you get to the fine print seen in the actual advert. That would make a big headline out of something the Democrats want to emphasize, while still playing up the whole “we’re the party of science” bullshit “facts and logic” routine.

It’s just so incompetent… people are less likely to trust the Democrats after seeing this. lol
 
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One of reddits takes on the Zelensky meeting.

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Great framing already. Trump is threatening Zelensky with WWIII.

Well, we know reddit is pretty liberal, but as you can see it's actually right-wing reddit that will be giving answers.

Let's see what this "Conservative" chap has to say.
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Truly a Conservative if there ever was one.

OK, how about this "Right-leaning" fellow.
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B-B-B-BASED?

Conservative #2
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How does this promote America First?
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It doesn't, by promoting an opportunity for...Trump? The President of America?

Today is a date that will live in infamy. I'm sure it won't be forgotten by tomorrows news cycle.
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Sort by controversial and you'll find a few downdooted chuds questioning the question (this isn't allowed).
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Beyond the issue of length, there’s also the issue of messaging. I think the people designing these ads think they’re projecting competency.
>Look at all the stuff I can list!
>Source?
>Citation needed

And maybe, to people of a certain disposition, having “sources” does make for an appealing ad. It provides opportunities for verbal oneupmanship, and that’s a third of today’s political discourse. There’s even a part of me that is sympathetic to the desire for more facts-driven, long-form political conversation.

The problem is that a bunch of fine print also conveys sneakiness, duplicitousness, legal maneuvering, etc. How many movies and television shows feature the devil (or someone aping his style) using the fine print on a contract to manipulate someone? A lot. So many that Metalocalypse goofed on this concept by having the main characters out-lawyer the devil. Fine print means “thing that will be used to fuck you over later on” to many people.

It would have been so easy to restructure this ad in a way that satisfies the policy-wonk crowd and everyone else. Have the best and coolest Democrat factoid in gigantic letters. Then another in slightly smaller font. Keep doing this until you get to the fine print seen in the actual advert. That would make a big headline out of something the Democrats want to emphasize, while still playing up the whole “we’re the party of science” bullshit routine. It’s just so incompetent - people are more likely to distrust the source after seeing this, lol,
The funniest thing about the list is that whoever made it bothered to include everything Democrats in Congress voted against but failed to stop.

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I love my based President.
Hey, haven't seen you post here in a while. hope you're doing well.
One of reddits takes on the Zelensky meeting.

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Great framing already. Trump is threatening Zelensky with WWIII.

Well, we know reddit is pretty liberal, but as you can see it's actually right-wing reddit that will be giving answers.

Let's see what this "Conservative" chap has to say.
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Truly a Conservative if there ever was one.

OK, how about this "Right-leaning" fellow.
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B-B-B-BASED?

Conservative #2
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How does this promote America First?
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It doesn't, by promoting an opportunity for...Trump? The President of America?

Today is a date that will live in infamy. I'm sure it won't be forgotten by tomorrows news cycle.
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Sort by controversial and you'll find a few downdooted chuds questioning the question (this isn't allowed).
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I don't know how you can stomach reading this drivel enough to collect it and post it here. Those posts are so fucking cringey.
 
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