Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Feline Supremacist]

My dig is against anyone who actually believes this is about a suit and doesn't recognize its about media presentation.

This is kind of missing the forest for the trees. I'm not saying Trump likes Putin, or is willing to do him any favors, but he does recognize him as the leader of Russia, and an equal. Then along comes this sniveling midget dressed like a drunken gopnik, twitching as if he crawled from underneath the Brighton Beach boardwalk, making demands and having a fit on live TV like the worst crackhead nigger imaginable-and Trump knows crackhead niggers, with better manners, we all do-trying to embarass him in front of the world. He disrespected the President and the Vice-President but worse of all he disrespected America. Trump can't let that slide.

That said I think there may be truth to the rumor Zyyliinsky/Ukraine may have promised the resources to the UK, France, another party or maybe all three and is therefore stalling and trying to wiggle out of the agreement. It's absolutely in character for a hohol to do business like this. Keep in mind Zyyliinsky isn't the one in charge in the Ukraine; he is the media presentation you reference. And a bad one, too.

I don't recall him ever demanding Mohammed bin Salman wear a suit and tie.

MBS is the King of KSA. You don't tell a king what to wear but that said, those robes are ceremonial, and protocol acknowledges that.

But you do tell a crackhead to wash up and dress appropriately when they come to your house, or else they get thrown out, which is exactly what happened.

 

[Chapalapachapa]

i wonder how a full anglo war against russia would go. dont think much time would pass before nukes start flying all over the place huh.
dying because some cunts nobodies cant keep their mouth shut would blow huh

 

[Overly Serious]

Literally zero people in this thread think so, you may confuse us with our lovely neighbors

This is kind of missing the forest for the trees. I'm not saying Trump likes Putin, or is willing to do him any favors, but he does recognize him as the leader of Russia, and an equal. Then along comes this sniveling midget dressed like a drunken gopnik, twitching as if he crawled from underneath the Brighton Neach boardwalk, making demands and having a fit on live TV like the worst crackhead nigger imaginable-and Trump knows crackhead niggers, with better manners, we all do-trying to embarass him in front of the world. He disrespected the President and the Vice-President but worse of all he disrespected America. Trump can't let that slide.
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But you do tell a crackhead to wash up and dress appropriately when they come to your house, or else they get thrown out, which is exactly what happened.

@Dr. Livesey FYA, I've been in this thread from the beginning and was a hugely active poster in the pre-split original thread back in 2022. Thanks, but I'm not confused. So long as people think that debacle happened for any reason other than Zelensky's willingness or unwillingness to give up Ukraine's mineral rights without security guarantees, they're buying into the spin. It's about a powerplay, as I said in my original post, Trump being able to tweet out "he didn't dress up for other world leaders but he dresses up for me."

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

It may be so. My dig is against anyone who actually believes this is about a suit and doesn't recognize its about media presentation. Which surprisingly there are examples of in this very thread. I think because it's one more thing they can pin on Zelensky for not doing right.

I don't know much about Ukranian culture. I believe Z-man has said something about he wears military dress to show solidarity with the soldiers. Trump just wants to make him dress differently as a way to say "dance puppet" and tweet out "Zelensky didn't wear a suit for Biden or the UN, but he wears one for me."

Trump has been around the entertainment/media industry and WWE long enough to know kayfabe when he sees it. The problem is it's dumb media presentation that comes off as phony. Do you really think some soldier in a fucking trench feels solidarity with a man in a bunker because of the clothes he wears? He isn't on the front line. He is not going to go enlist to fight on the front line. He is the President. He should present as WHAT HE IS not as what he identifies as. "I'm a President in a bunker, but I identify as a soldier on the front lines. That's why I'm dressing up as one." Fuck off.

 

[The Hardest R]

Zylynskyyy is an actor and knows it’s all about appearances. He knows that he’d get better deals under Harris than Trump. He knows that he’s got a lot of palms to grease in Ukraine because it’s not muh democracy but instead of a kleptocracy where everyone who can is on the take. Ending the war stops a lot of the grifts. He knows that Ukraine can’t go back to the 1991 borders. He knows ending the grifts likely means he has to inevitably seek asylum in the UK, France, or Israel. His temper tantrum is a guy who knows the grifts are coming to an end and it’s not going to be on his terms so it’s all gayfabe in hopes he can secure better terms. Funny thing is, I doubt Trump really gives a shit if the Ukrainian rump state continues to be a corrupt shithole but that’s not going to be enough for Zylynskyyyyy to maintain power. Hope he’s chatting with Two Tier Keir about asylum once the agreement is signed.

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

By the way, it looks like "recruitment methods" that are popular in Ukraine are finally getting some attention.

 

[Bunkerhousing]

I don't think there was a language issue. No, the communication breakdown was in the mode of discussion. JD Vance blasted Zelensky for about a minute at the end of which Zelensky thought he was going to reply. He started off with "well there are a lot of questions you just asked..." and thought he was going to go through them and reply. At which point Trump cut him off and made clear this wasn't a debate. It was a nod and accept.

Ukranians have fuck all left after three years of war against Russian, but amazingly it seems they still have their pride.

Interesting to read your theories.

I have a counterpoint I would like to hear your opinion on. If it is true a s you say, why did Z>elensky then afterwards say he was willing to sign it anyway. What is your take regarding this?

Also.
To me Zelensky gave a very bipolar impression. Zelensky looks like he is having a manic episode. He rambles on incoheretly, did you see the fox interview, sometimes he just bladders on without answering the reporters questions.

Regarding formal wear.
Every country have their own verison of formal wear, I googled Ukraine.

Sweden also have formal wear, every region have their own version.

Zelensky did not wear formal wear or costume.

 

[I hate women (like you)]

If I were Zelensky's father, I'd have given him the fatherly warmth that he never had and I'd have taught him how to dress for various occasions and as a result none of this would ever happen

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Ask him directly @Useful_Mistake

I generally monitor both threads, though I am more active in this one.

 

[Male Idiot]

top kek
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Step 6:
-Import 6 gorillion muslims, niggers and jeets.
-Use the Magic of Diversity to make them love jews and gays.
-Use them to oppress the whites.
-Make sure they won't act sectarian, rainbows will help.

I don't understand this line of reasoning, since it works on this ignorant assumption that:
-EU and Europe are synonymous
-every European leader is a Reddit tier mongoloid hivemind
-every European leader would act like a mongoloid no matter what the US does

Bro, I don't know what type of copium you are having for EU, but that is some strong stuff.

They have been doing exactly that since the Migrant Crisis happened. Orbán have been the least retarded, but even he had been far to happy to just take money and say he won while in truth he cucks out.

European leaders are the same as the EU or beholden to the EU. They are 99% vantablack retarded giga turbo niggers. Donald Tusk is EU bureucrat central and Poland is becoming Pozzland at a speed that would make Trudeau go wow, you are speedrunning DEI.

 

[Betonhaus]

So does anyone has an idea about the current size of the Russian army?, i hear very conflicting messages and cant get a picture.

I believe that's intentional as neither side wants an accurate count of Russian troops to be public information. But given that the Russian army still consists of volunteers with no indication that conscription is considered, it likely is as big as Russia deems necessary.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

So Starmer and the EU are rolling out the red carpet for Zelensky to make their own peace plan and take it to Trump. I guess the whole 'can you fight Russia on your own' comment last week didn't sink in.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Its ogre

 

[Fapcop]

He started off with "well there are a lot of questions you just asked..." and thought he was going to go through them and reply. At which point Trump cut him off and made clear this wasn't a debate. It was a nod and accept.

That part pissed ME off. When he called Vance “JD!”

What the fucking cabbagenigger?!

It’s a real shame Vance didn’t went: “JD? It’s Mr. Vice President thank you! I’m not your buddy pal, so when you come and visit me and the boss in the WHITE HOUSE you better show some respect, punk!”

 

[Slav Power]

copium

Then explain to me how come under Tusk's administration we haven't let in the migrants from the Belarussian border en masse and instead greenlit shooting them dead if Europe is a EU hivemind like you seem to believe. Though I guess that would require doing a bit more mental work than regurgitate current /pol/ talking points which is a high ask.

 

[Fapcop]

I believe that's intentional as neither side wants an accurate count of Russian troops to be public information. But given that the Russian army still consists of volunteers with no indication that conscription is considered, it likely is as big as Russia deems necessary.

I believe that's intentional as neither side wants an accurate count of Russian troops to be public information. But given that the Russian army still consists of volunteers with no indication that conscription is considered, it likely is as big as Russia deems necessary.

This.

And if they’d ever need to expand it, they have hundreds of thousands of conscripts they can call on.

Britain meanwhile has more horses than functioning tanks, and more admirals than ships.

 

[Yandex Captcha Solver]

Patrick is back on the Kharkiv frontline, hanging out with drone operators.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

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Truly beyond parody.

Their little reddit fanfic gave me a headache. It's like 12 year old boy who just watched avengers and written a fanfic of his favorite capeshit slop punted on a school bully

 

[Soyjack Pinhead]

It started this, it promised the Ukranians the moon and security and Russia fucking kicked them in the balls and now the USA is saying "be grateful. Give us wealth.". Fuck. That. Shit.

I regret I have but one winner sticker to give this post.

If anything, this whole episode shows the extent to which DC in general, and Trump in particular, is not agreement capable.

 

[Tub of Absinthe]

Its ogre
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Victory Plan 2.0? Deja vu.