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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
I want to see her return to politics, under her own party (or not one currently formed) and take us back to victory.

She tried bringing the winning, she was stopped by globohomo faggots
So Truss is the female Nigel Farage? He's fucked off after getting the referendum pass3d and has disdained the hoi polloi since. The way you talk about truss i expect the same from her.
 
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So the UK media is spinning stories that Russia is near collapse and we will win if we last for y months. This is of course absolute hogwash, there are numerous reports of irregular army amounts. I saw a Ukrainian battalion (200 size) with 30 people. 100's of videos are now surfacing of abductions of Ukrainian men and sometimes women. People who object to being shot all whilst Russia is starting to make significant advances. I am not a Russian shill but war is war and if there are now large advances then it means Ukraine is done.

They are spinning this story to say Trump is bad and we lost because no US money. The truth in the matter is you can chuck trillions at a war but you will never win it because you need troops that can use weapons. Also, Starmer sending air missiles is dumb because this is a ground offensive with mostly surveillance craft.
 
So the UK media is spinning stories that Russia is near collapse and we will win if we last for y months. This is of course absolute hogwash, there are numerous reports of irregular army amounts. I saw a Ukrainian battalion (200 size) with 30 people. 100's of videos are now surfacing of abductions of Ukrainian men and sometimes women. People who object to being shot all whilst Russia is starting to make significant advances. I am not a Russian shill but war is war and if there are now large advances then it means Ukraine is done.

They are spinning this story to say Trump is bad and we lost because no US money. The truth in the matter is you can chuck trillions at a war but you will never win it because you need troops that can use weapons. Also, Starmer sending air missiles is dumb because this is a ground offensive with mostly surveillance craft.
This is a Greggs, sir, and Ziggers are not welcome here.
 
And also, you need people that can use the missles. We know the recruits can’t use guns well, how are they going to use more complicated stuff?
 
Exactly I just read their updated peace agreement and it looks as if it was constructed by retards who don't understand the push-pull mechanics of geopolitics. What is even funnier though "We need America at the table."

So basically Europe is all like "YOU'RE NOT MY DAD, I HATE YOU!!!" Then 5 minutes later is all like "Dad I need money for prom." Actual fucking lunacy.

Starmer will postulate about "putting boots on the ground" (autistic robotic voice) but he fears the optics poison that will entail. All this shit is thoughts and prayers the summit.
 
Exactly I just read their updated peace agreement and it looks as if it was constructed by retards who don't understand the push-pull mechanics of geopolitics. What is even funnier though "We need America at the table."

So basically Europe is all like "YOU'RE NOT MY DAD, I HATE YOU!!!" Then 5 minutes later is all like "Dad I need money for prom." Actual fucking lunacy.

Starmer will postulate about "putting boots on the ground" (autistic robotic voice) but he fears the optics poison that will entail. All this shit is thoughts and prayers the summit.
In all honesty Europe is not capable of standing without America. That could take years, maybe even a decade. This deal is the best Europe can do and the best Ukraine can get right now. That's not to say things won;t improve later.
 
So the UK media is spinning stories that Russia is near collapse and we will win if we last for y months.
Those have been running for years now. Don't get me wrong, Russian propaganda has been screaming the exact same thing about Ukraine for a similar length of time, but it's still amusing.

Speaking of here's a relatively rational take on Britain's situation in that conflict from the Guardian.
On the third anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, British policy towards the war is in a mess. The continuing official British position, echoed by all the main media, has been “no peace without a Ukraine victory” – meaning, centrally, the expulsion of Russia from all territories seized since 2014. President Trump’s active search for a compromise peace tears up this script.
When a long, consistently pursued policy ends in a shambles, it is time to reflect on what was right and what was wrong about it, and what might still be done to reinsert Britain into a process to which it has become largely irrelevant.

What was right was the forthright condemnation of Russia’s so-called “special military operation” in Ukraine. Most of the world’s governments agreed: by 141 votes to five, with 35 abstentions, the UN general assembly passed a resolution on 2 March 2022 condemning Russia’s aggression and demanding the withdrawal of its troops from Ukraine.

However, the British response was muddled from the start. It recognised that Ukraine could not resist the Russian attack indefinitely, but at the same time ruled out both peace negotiations and Nato military intervention. The contradiction between militaristic rhetoric and unwillingness to “do what it takes” to secure victory for fear of Russian retaliation was the crucial fissure in the British approach. No one was willing to risk nuclear war to save Ukraine.
Logically, this should have led to a search by Ukraine’s supporters for a compromise peace before Ukraine’s position significantly worsened. Peace initiatives have come from China, Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, Hungary and Pope Francis. India has consistently urged diplomacy to end the conflict.
But within the UK, the only acceptable condition of peace was a Ukrainian victory. It is even alleged that Britain’s then prime minister, Boris Johnson, scuppered a provisional peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine in early April 2022.
The question, therefore, is why almost no one in our country over the three following years has been willing to back negotiations to end the war, despite increasing recognition that Ukraine could not prevail at the existing level of military and economic support.
I wrote on this issue extensively, but found scant interest from British publications. And from my perch in the House of Lords I repeatedly heard ministers say it was up to Ukraine to decide when, and on what terms, to make peace. To give such an unconditional guarantee to a country without a formal treaty obligation was the abnegation of prudent statesmanship.
So why this refusal to back peace on any but Ukraine’s terms? Let me suggest three strands in the thinking of Britain’s governing class that culminated in the single voice.
The first, and possibly most potent, the repurposing for current use of the domino theory, developed in the cold war era to justify military resistance to the spread of communism. The argument was that if you give ground to communism in one place (eg South Vietnam), the rest of the region will topple like a row of dominoes. The post-communist version of domino theory is that if Vladimir Putin is allowed to “get away with it” in Ukraine he will seek to gobble up all the adjacent bits of Europe and “who knows where he will stop?”
Why the revival of domino theory? The answer is that with the collapse of the hopes of a fully democratic world, the ideological battle between the free and communist worlds is seen to have morphed into a global battle between democracy and dictatorship, with Ukraine positioned on the frontline of the democracies.
In this geopolitical worldview, dictatorship is the warlike, democracy the peaceful form of the state, so that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was unprovoked by definition. This formula conveniently sets to one side any discussion of the extent to which Nato’s eastern expansion to the borders of post-communist Russia, condemned at the time as catastrophic by both George Kennan and Henry Kissinger, may have provoked Putin’s responses of 2014 and 2022.
A subset of this argument harks back to the shame of the Munich agreement of 1938 and the lessons to be drawn from it. The chief lesson was that one must never appease dictators because they will always want more: hence the continuous comparison between Putin and Hitler, with all contextual and psychological differences between the two set aside.
The second strand in British policy is moralism. In the 19th century this embraced all forms of anti-war sentiment: groups such as the Quakers who were pacifists on principle, and prudential pacifists, chiefly political economists, who attacked war because of its expense but also because they had discovered in free trade the peaceful, or non zero-sum, form of international relations. Prudential pacifists such as Richard Cobden and John Bright also assigned a large role to diplomacy to adjust economic and political differences between countries.
The imperialist surge of the second half of the 19th century increasingly submerged the pacifist approach, but not its moralism. Imperialism was repackaged as a western duty to bring civilised values to the lagging parts of the world. The sense of moral superiority and therefore of moral responsibility became the hallmark of British foreign policy in the run up to the first world war.
The third strand, dating from the second world war, is the “special relationship” with the US. What happened here is that Britain’s sense of moral responsibility for the good of the world was hived off to the new hegemon, the United States. Britain would be Greece to America’s Rome, as Harold Macmillan put it. This has given to British utterances on foreign policy their mingled flavour of moralism and impotence.
The British approach to the Ukrainian war has combined all three strands. The equation of dictatorship with war, and comparison between Putin and Hitler, precluded any diplomatic effort to end the war. There was no questioning of the moral purpose of Nato; and Britain’s Greece has been even more bellicose than America’s Rome.
Now that the British script on Ukraine has been torn up, can we somehow insert ourselves into a peace process that we repeatedly disdained? Certainly not by sending British “peacekeepers” to Ukraine, as Keir Starmer has suggested. Our prime minister must know this is a deal breaker, not maker, as there is not the slightest chance Putin will agree to it. Rather it is a desperate attempt to save Britain’s face.
What Britain and its European partners should now be doing is opening an adult conversation with Ukraine’s leadership – with Volodymyr Zelenskyy as well as his possible successors – on the kind of peace Ukraine might make that Europe would be willing to underwrite. It is by making Ukrainian voices relevant to the Trump-Putin lovefest that Britain might hope to recover its own relevance and dignity.
 
That's not to say things won;t improve later.
Things absolutely will improve later. That’s what makes Zelensky going ‘we need more’ so ridiculous

This was what is needed to start things and get the people that can fix this to take you seriously.

Once that is done you negotiate for better terms and that’s agreeed to because you’ve shown you can.

And EU and UK is like ‘why did Trump blow up?’

Idiots. They spent months and weeks hammering it out. It had all been agreed to and then Zelensky comes in and spends an hour publicly asking ‘why we doing this’

There’s a reason in the wake even the Left Wing Media in the US was dropping stories of ‘The same thing happened with Biden’

If the UK televised a meeting like this Starmer would have likely blown a fuse as well.

There is a reason why we don’t tend to.
 
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The arrogance of Starmer that he thinks his brown nosing the other day was “handling” Trump. Anyone who thinks his White House visit was anything other than an embarrassing display of begging is a fucking moron.
Trumps a pretty infamous tea-a-boo so offering him the second state visit probably got on his good side to a point. Other then that it just came off that they were making fun of him the whole time with just how snively and awkward he comes off during the whole thing. Though Vance should have gone in a little harder on Starmer with the free speech comment and put him on the spot over jailing people over comments on twitter and Facebook.

As for the British media saying Starmer had Trump under control? Nope lol
 
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FUCKING BRITISH.
Bro being British is not a good quality. Simply being born and raised there doesn't make a good person. Would you not rather have a hard working friendly raghead who you can share drinks and bants with than a chav setting fires and smashing bus shelters?

It's quite possible to prefer people for character rather than creed while still recognizing that a great deal of people of a certain creed have no good character. There's a level of racism that's sensible, and you've blown past it. This isn't Greggs.
 
Genuinely good interview from GB news here that talks about the current state of affairs with Ukraine.

It points out the clear hyprocrisy of Starmer and the mainstream liberal thought at the moment: the fact that patriotism in the UK is pretty much forbidden, and sometimes literally punished by the law, whereas the exact same patriotism in Ukraine must be defended no matter the cost.

 
Starkey is an absolute beast I love him, he understands that history is adaptive and the world changes and that is something the political system in the UK needs.

The month-long ceasefire won't happen, Russia has Kursk surrounded which is the beginning of the end. It's like surrendering before checkmate, it's non-sensical.
 
Starkey is an absolute beast I love him, he understands that history is adaptive and the world changes and that is something the political system in the UK needs.

The month-long ceasefire won't happen, Russia has Kursk surrounded which is the beginning of the end. It's like surrendering before checkmate, it's non-sensical.
Yeah I really have no idea what the EU liberal elites are thinking. They are in a complete state of denial.

Either they really are this stupid, or there's something else going on behind the scenes that we're not fully aware of.

The whole situation is really odd at the moment...
 
Yeah the way it's portrayed in mainstream media is that it's an absolutely grueling month long food fast. Really it's just that they can't eat during the day.

I know loads of people that have done 24 hour, and longer, fasts purely for non-religious reasons. Ramadan really is the easiest possible type of fast you can do.
I've done five days. It genuinely borders on a spiritual experience. I can see why fakirs and monks etc did it.

You can do absolutely fucking nothing after day 3 though, not necessarily because you've no energy, it's not like being sick, you just want to do nothing.
In all honesty Europe is not capable of standing without America. That could take years, maybe even a decade. This deal is the best Europe can do and the best Ukraine can get right now. That's not to say things won;t improve later.
I'd argue longer than that. It's not just about industry, bombs and bullets and boots, it's about finding people to fill those boots and pull those triggers. The demographic most needed to do so, ie males, above 85 iq, not ideologically captured, not congenitally criminal, 18-35, and let's be honest here, majority white, is also the demographic most maligned by the State and particularly the non-State tax funded opinion shaping NGO sector.

On the eve of ww2 the UK population was 47ish million. In the next six years 6 million of them would serve in the armed forces in some capacity to include the WS

The damage done to nationalism, civic pride, fuck, just community spirits across the West are going to take a generation and probably dystopian levels of social engineering including mass remigration to approach any where near those kinds of numbers.

Which you'd need if it came to a hot war with Russia as the politicos seem to want.

I'd be amazed if you could hit a million actual useful bodies within ten years, and the population is nearly double if you count the millions undocumented. The current armed forces are full of useless jobbers currently, so you can cut the current tallies in half and build from there. The UK for example, I heard recently has more admirals than warships and I'd imagine that pattern is replicated across the West. Useless middle and upper management outnumber the frontline whether you're talking about health industry or the fucking navy apparently
 

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I'd argue longer than that. It's not just about industry, bombs and bullets and boots, it's about finding people to fill those boots and pull those triggers. The demographic most needed to do so, ie males, above 85 iq, not ideologically captured, not congenitally criminal, 18-35, and let's be honest here, majority white, is also the demographic most maligned by the State and particularly the non-State tax funded opinion shaping NGO sector.
Demographics aren't that much of an issue. Russia has huge demographics problems too, bigger than Europe's, and they still manage to find meat for the grinder.
Not so say America has been doing great either.
On the eve of ww2 the UK population was 47ish million. In the next six years 6 million of them would serve in the armed forces in some capacity to include the WS
Thing is that you do not need the same percentages anymore. You;d rather need better manufacturing and supply lines. Many of the real battle, as far as I hear from the Ukrainian front news, is done by cheap drones these days.
The damage done to nationalism, civic pride, fuck, just community spirits across the West are going to take a generation and probably dystopian levels of social engineering including mass remigration to approach any where near those kinds of numbers.
That's just morbid thinking.
If nothing else, the fear of WW3 will wake people up that perhaps being part of a nation and doing your part actually is important and does mean something.
I'd say it;s copium on my part, but thankfully I can get behind the example of what happened in Ukraine where from a pool of slavic entities where Russian was on Par if not more prelevant than Ukrainian as an identity before the war, Ukrainian became the dominant identity over a matter of weeks.
Which you'd need if it came to a hot war with Russia as the politicos seem to want.
Nobody wants this stupid war, besides Putin. It's the message from Friday's fiasco. Ukraine NEEDS DESPERATELY guarantees that there would be immediate support from NATO if the Russians would (when) break the peace deal. It;s non negotiable. Anything less will only embolded Putin to just regroup and kill onwards to Kyiv again.
I'd be amazed if you could hit a million actual useful bodies within ten years, and the population is nearly double if you count the millions undocumented. The current armed forces are full of useless jobbers currently, so you can cut the current tallies in half and build from there. The UK for example, I heard recently has more admirals than warships and I'd imagine that pattern is replicated across the West. Useless middle and upper management outnumber the frontline whether you're talking about health industry or the fucking navy apparently
You don't need that many. Even if you had that many, there is no way you could equip them for war, regardless if the US would be full in or no. Nothing much to comment on besides morbid thinking that nothing can be done.
 
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