Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

You could solve this with "power packs". The propulsion of the vehicles are electric, and you can slot in either a battery or a diesel turbine to provide the electricity. For peace time and exercises you'd use the battery, in war time you switch to the diesel turbines. Tanks already use interchangeable power packs like that and replacing the power pack is a matter of hours, the only difference here is that fewer moving parts to transfer energy from the gearbox to the drive sprocket means improved reliability, and since the tanks can be electric during peace time, your army would be a lot more green 99% of the time, without losing the range benefits diesel engines offer during wartime.
Not actually a great idea. You want to train how you fight, and that includes equipment operations and maintenance. Even assuming you created an electric drive train that was a 1-1 match for a diesel in weight, effective range, and performance characteristics, you would really rather odd behavior or operational requirements in your actual drivetrain be discovered during field exercises that push them up to the limits, rather than only discovering them during wartime. Procurement testing never catches all this shit.

If we're talking only using it for purely transport purposes and not even peacetime exercise, then its pointless. Better to tow the damned thing or put it on a flatbed, it'll cost less than keeping two engines for every tank you wanna move floating about.
 
Not actually a great idea. You want to train how you fight, and that includes equipment operations and maintenance. Even assuming you created an electric drive train that was a 1-1 match for a diesel in weight, effective range, and performance characteristics, you would really rather odd behavior or operational requirements in your actual drivetrain be discovered during field exercises that push them up to the limits, rather than only discovering them during wartime. Procurement testing never catches all this shit.

If we're talking only using it for purely transport purposes and not even peacetime exercise, then its pointless. Better to tow the damned thing or put it on a flatbed, it'll cost less than keeping two engines for every tank you wanna move floating about.
I didn’t call it a great idea, just pointed out a way battery-powered tanks could be made without being completely useless.
 
I think it was clumsy. My guess is they'd already agreed to dress him down in front of the media and hoped they'd bait him into reacting badly, but he didn't and it just made them look like children.
I've considered this too, given what has been said by other people around Trump there was already a mutual dislike and shit going on behind the scenes with Zman.

Just watching the clips it seemed like an ambush and I can see why people not following the situation could feel sorry for Zman, but watching the entire meeting I could see it slowly escalating, I could see Trump getting more agitated with Zelenskyy. What really did it, I think, was when Zman started to referring to Putin as a terrorist or murderer or something along those lines. Trump is trying to make a deal with Putin to help end the war and Zelesnkyy is jeopardising that by acting like a child on TV. Trump is far from perfect but I can see the why he snapped.
Sure, but now Europe are going to try and bring a Crusade to rescue Fair Maiden Ukraine, and it's going to get ugly.
What are they gonna do with the money? They're not gonna be buying American, that's for sure. Europe has no defense industry to speak of, they can't provide enough shells or ammo to Ukraine, they can't produce indigenous equipment or vehicles in large enough numbers for themselves, let alone Ukraine.

I keep saying this but their biggest problem is manpower rather than equipment. It's not like a videogame where you pay $100 to train a conscript out a barracks so I don't see how the money is really gonna help.
 
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"Starting" ? You must have the tolerance of a saint to not hate them now.
I mean up to a point I am sympathetic to their cause but the messaging and acting entitled to our money soured me on them. That none of them care that their men were killed off while others got to flee to safety, along with Zelenski demanding ground troops, and my sympathy for them is gone.
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For example this dude is demanding we overthrow our on government for Ukraine to keep receiving money while all he's doing is brewing beer
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Oh I'm sure it was picked up upon by just about everyone, but maybe the play will work. We'll see if Trump doubles down in his SOTU tonight.
Yeah, I didn't mean the overall kabuki, that was clear to me and most others, but I had many people irl saying that they didn't see them as intend on doing more than they did. Most people I talked with were already satisfied with how z-man sunk in on himself and were more surprised that he didn't step down or anything after that one guy immediately called for it before his plane even touched down.
 
>nafo dog in the forefront.
Yep. There's your problem.

Word to the wise, all nafo faggots are literal propagandists of the highest order and would rather have Earth be bathed in nuclear hellfire than let Russia eek out even a white peace. For them, it is total Russia dismantlement, a forever war (which they want to include all of us in as well), or a nuclear holocaust.
 
I think it was clumsy. My guess is they'd already agreed to dress him down in front of the media and hoped they'd bait him into reacting badly, but he didn't and it just made them look like children.

Zelenksy literally cursed out the people he was begging to go die for him you stupid euro trash. While breaking all kinds of rules of diplomacy AND the veiled threat. What more acting poorly did everyone need? Did he need to take a shit on Trumps desk? That would just result in that being taken "as a brave and stunning act to wake up the American people to Ukraine's plight" and "you not understanding that shitting on people's furniture is Ukrainian culture!".

There is something fundamentally broken in alot of modern peoples brains where they think they dont have to do what the person they are asking for wants to get what they want out of the person they are asking shit from.
 
There is something fundamentally broken in alot of modern peoples brains where they think they dont have to do what the person they are asking for wants to get what they want out of the person they are asking shit from.
Not broken, trained. The feels first reality that's been shoved onto a lotta the western world does really set the precedent that you can open anything by dictating what you want, and they have to do it, and only then do you have to consider giving something in return, 'if appropriate'. And to a lot of people, Ukraine should just be getting whatever they want/need, because Russia Evil, and so the only reason to deny them or expect a quid pro quo is to be evil as well.

Remember, much of this gnashing of teeth is coming from the same culture that decided that men demanding to be treated like women are just exercising an inherent human right to bend reality and the thoughts/perceptions of others to their own warped wills, and anyone who disagrees should be ostracized from polite society.
 
Zelenksy literally cursed out the people he was begging to go die for him you stupid euro trash. While breaking all kinds of rules of diplomacy AND the veiled threat. What more acting poorly did everyone need? Did he need to take a shit on Trumps desk? That would just result in that being taken "as a brave and stunning act to wake up the American people to Ukraine's plight" and "you not understanding that shitting on people's furniture is Ukrainian culture!".

There is something fundamentally broken in alot of modern peoples brains where they think they dont have to do what the person they are asking for wants to get what they want out of the person they are asking shit from.
Did he?
 
That would just result in that being taken "as a brave and stunning act to wake up the American people to Ukraine's plight" and "you not understanding that shitting on people's furniture is Ukrainian culture!".
That post really rides the edge of dumb a.f. and absolute winner - made my sides shoot into orbit, just that mental image of him jumping on that desk - well done.
But yes, it appears that's the minimum needed to make people really disavow zelensky... but you are also seeing things which didn't really happen, no offense.
 
Yeah, he looked bad, but he didn't threaten anyone, and I didn't hear one suka blyat either.
It's as if people here have never seen any old school reels of cold war politicians flipping their shit.

Yes, it was pretty surreal how aggressive they talked him down and his whole way of making demands
with arms crossed and all that, as If he isn't a beggar, made him look like an entitled tool, but that's it.
 
Yeah, he looked bad, but he didn't threaten anyone, and I didn't hear one suka blyat either.
It's as if people here have never seen any old school reels of cold war politicians flipping their shit.

Yes, it was pretty surreal how aggressive they talked him down and his whole way of making demands
with arms crossed and all that, as If he isn't a beggar, made him look like an entitled tool, but that's it.
There’s a context to everything.

The mineral deal was not just supposed to be a small potential compensation, it was also meant to measure Zelensky’s willingness to cooperate and compromise.

He could have signed it in Kyiiiiyyiv, but invites himself to DC. Whatever.

The. He proceeds to meet with Democrats senators BEFORE meeting Trump, is told to wear a suit but shows up in full war clown gear. THEN he sits cross armed like an angry child and tries to re-litigate the whole conflict and lies to Vance’s face.

So yeah, no wonder they were pissed.

Ultimately NAFO faggots and TDS sufferers will think he’s sooper dooper brave, and everyone on Team Trump will say “Good on Big Don for not tolerating that clown!” Shit doesn’t really matter.

What does matter is that this administration has effectively dumped lil’ Z.

Sure, it’s a “temporary” pause, and when that doesn’t help they’ll cut starlink and intelligence to pressure Zelensky out.

He’ll cost Ukraine Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk, and Russia is probably okay with that.

IMO Trump and co way overplayed their hand here, and it's sent Z over to Europe to beg for more war bucks, which he's now got, and risks the whole bullshit blowing up again. Last week I was hopeful for a peaceful future but unless another dramatic U-turn happens (it's only March!) then the average life expectancy of Europe is going to continue it's gradual decline...

Nah man. Don’t let their PR fluff fool you. The “coalition of the willing” is already fraying at the edges.

The French just refused to steal the Russian assets, Poland and Germany are pissed at talk of boots on the ground, and Hungary and Slovakia will block anything they can, knowing that Meloni is quietly encouraging it because she’s looking for a way out too.

Starmer & the EU apparatus may want to keep funding and arming Ukraine but they can’t. Without America in the game, Ukraine is looking at collapse.

Don’t let the Hohols fool you, they KNOW they can’t fight without American weapons. They’re just counting on having enough in the depots for a few months, and once the Russians cross the Dniepr they’re counting on Trump reversing and coming to their aide.
 
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IMO Trump and co way overplayed their hand here, and it's sent Z over to Europe to beg for more war bucks, which he's now got, and risks the whole bullshit blowing up again. Last week I was hopeful for a peaceful future but unless another dramatic U-turn happens (it's only March!) then the average life expectancy of Europe is going to continue it's gradual decline...

Nah man. Don’t let their PR fluff fool you. The “coalition of the willing” is already fraying at the edges.

The French just refused to steal the Russian assets, Poland and Germany are pissed at talk of boots on the ground, and Hungary and Slovakia will block anything they can, knowing that Meloni is quietly encouraging it because she’s looking for a way out too.
You could solve this with "power packs". The propulsion of the vehicles are electric, and you can slot in either a battery or a diesel turbine to provide the electricity. For peace time and exercises you'd use the battery, in war time you switch to the diesel turbines. Tanks already use interchangeable power packs like that and replacing the power pack is a matter of hours, the only difference here is that fewer moving parts to transfer energy from the gearbox to the drive sprocket means improved reliability, and since the tanks can be electric during peace time, your army would be a lot more green 99% of the time, without losing the range benefits diesel engines offer during wartime.

I mean… I guess… Sure… But I’d prefer some extra tanks instead of spending money on “green” peace time tanks.

Could also see it create problems long term. There are a LOT of logistics involved with armored warfare. Tankers, pumps, fuel pools, lubricant depots. If you’re not using it during peacetime. I could see coming up short in a war. Waste, mechanical issues, lack of maintenance and requisition because you spent a decade not “needing” these things so resources went elsewhere.
 
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