Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

So will 30mm and 35mm and those have far deeper magazines and no clips.

Again, there's a reason only two countries use the L70 on an IFV....
The Swedes are moving to the 35 MM Bushmaster as their next main gun, so I guess they did indeed see that it can be made better. That said, the main actual advantage the CV90 has over the BMP2 in Finnish service is that it doesn't have the ergonomics of a sardine can.
 
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And yet Sweden has the better military kek
They also have, pound for pound, a more dynamic and useful defense sector.

Sure they use a Leopard 2 but it's a very good leopard 2.

They use Swedish jets, ATGMs, subs, patrol craft, trucks, AA guns, small arms, SAMs, APCs, and IFVs

Sweden had a large and well equipped military until there typical gigantic defense cuts of 1990s Europe.
 
Bro if you want to switch ammo, load another clip of different ammo. I promise 40mm of hell will paste your target.

So will 30mm and 35mm and those have far deeper magazines and no clips.

Again, there's a reason only two countries use the L70 on an IFV....
Think of machine guns and rounds, like a fat person thinks of cake. It's not the quality, but the quantity. A fat person(The horde of charging huns you want dead) isn't going to be satisfied(dead). With just one slice of the best cake(bullet) in the whole wide world. They might be a little satisfied with a little bit of cake(bullets). But you want them to be really satisfied(all dead). So you fling as many fucking pieces of cake(bullets) in their direction, as fast, and as violently and with as little stoppage as possible.

I don't know the mag change procedure for that type of gun, but if I am changing mags every 20 rounds with a machine gun. I am going to be crazy pissed off, as well I won't be effective as suppressing fire stops even briefly every time I do. Sometimes you just have the primal need to put 400 rounds through someone's house. Because fuck him, fuck his furniture and fuck everything around him. That gets hard to do when every 5 seconds you have to change a mag.
 
Think of machine guns and rounds, like a fat person thinks of cake. It's not the quality, but the quantity. A fat person(The horde of charging huns you want dead) isn't going to be satisfied(dead). With just one slice of the best cake(bullet) in the whole wide world. They might be a little satisfied with a little bit of cake(bullets). But you want them to be really satisfied(all dead). So you fling as many fucking pieces of cake(bullets) in their direction, as fast, and as violently and with as little stoppage as possible.

I don't know the mag change procedure for that type of gun, but if I am changing mags every 20 rounds with a machine gun. I am going to be crazy pissed off, as well I won't be effective as suppressing fire stops even briefly every time I do. Sometimes you just have the primal need to put 400 rounds through someone's house. Because fuck him, fuck his furniture and fuck everything around him. That gets hard to do when every 5 seconds you have to change a mag.
Fine. I'll consneed the IFV. But as a naval AA gun like the Bofors MK 4?
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300 RPM, programmable 3P ammo including proximity fuse, designed to intercept anti ship missiles, jets, and drones? The Bofors L70 is very capable when properly upgraded. They're going so far as to put two of these on each of the new Royal Navy Type 31 frigates as secondary guns/ CWIS:
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Truly the drone fucker 9000. Doesn't include the 57mm on the bow or the missiles.
 
And yet Sweden has the better military kek
Degrees of ineptitude are still the construction of failure.

There's really only four "good" militaries left.
The US, because it is massive, capable of bearing the entire logistics burden of the West and maintains an NCO corps that can operate without being micromanaged by staff officers (though this has been heavily damaged by political choices made during the later stages of the GWOT) and a technological and funding edge that is simply unbelievable until you've been balls deep in it for a decade.

Poland has built theirs in to a copy of the US with a greater focus on border security and really leans in to the concept of company level units working independently if needed.

The French actually train professional soldiers exceedingly well with an ability to look beyond their tactical situation to force strategic gains. Their field officers are realists and their NCOs are brutal.

The Aussies are what the British should be and in the event of a war against China, every person that knows anything about Chinese economy and logistical output knows that Australia will be the team that lands the mortal wound on China by sitting down their ability to feed their population and get anything meaningful out to sea that could continue to fight an American host in the Pacific. They train to that mission everyday and in thousands of ways that are built the any conceivable situation it could occur on.
 
Degrees of ineptitude are still the construction of failure.

There's really only four "good" militaries left.
The US, because it is massive, capable of bearing the entire logistics burden of the West and maintains an NCO corps that can operate without being micromanaged by staff officers (though this has been heavily damaged by political choices made during the later stages of the GWOT) and a technological and funding edge that is simply unbelievable until you've been balls deep in it for a decade.

Poland has built theirs in to a copy of the US with a greater focus on border security and really leans in to the concept of company level units working independently if needed.

The French actually train professional soldiers exceedingly well with an ability to look beyond their tactical situation to force strategic gains. Their field officers are realists and their NCOs are brutal.

The Aussies are what the British should be and in the event of a war against China, every person that knows anything about Chinese economy and logistical output knows that Australia will be the team that lands the mortal wound on China by sitting down their ability to feed their population and get anything meaningful out to sea that could continue to fight an American host in the Pacific. They train to that mission everyday and in thousands of ways that are built the any conceivable situation it could occur on.
I mean yeah. Most militaries are a joke. It's just in degrees. But you're correct in that there's only 4 real titans left that actually know what the fuck they're doing.
 
IMO Sweden at least has the advantage of operating conscription in living memory, so they certainly have the necessary institutional knowledge needed to be a proper military again.
Conscription doesn't make good soldiers, it just makes a lot of soldiers.
 
Conscription doesn't make good soldiers, it just makes a lot of soldiers.
The problem that vast majority of European countries that transitioned from conscription to an all-volunteer force is that these militaries are not capable of wielding a serious amount of soldiers in the first place and encourages a culture where national defense is the business of some bottom-of-the-barrel sucker, rather than a serious part of the societal fabric. It also encourages politicians to actually be sensible with their plans for war because it's now a cause for the whole people, rather than something that happens elsewhere. France and Poland that were mentioned here are exceptions to this but they are also run by governments that make a serious attempt at asserting themselves on global stage rather than just being yes-men to some boss in DC/Moscow/Brussels.
 
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The problem that vast majority of European countries that transitioned from conscription to an all-volunteer force is that these militaries are not capable of wielding a serious amount of soldiers in the first place and encourages a culture where national defense is the business of some bottom-of-the-barrel sucker, rather than a serious part of the societal fabric.
And I agree with you but the lack of any usable budget and the vehement hatred of anything perceived as being "too American" are the issues there.
It also encourages politicians to actually be sensible with their plans for war because it's now a cause for the whole people, rather than something that happens elsewhere.
I disagree, war is the continuation of politics by any other means and politicians can rarely be accused of caring about their people or nation.
France and Poland that were mentioned here are exceptions to this but they are also run by governments that make a serious attempt at asserting themselves on global stage rather than just being yes-men to some boss in DC/Moscow/Brussels.
I don't know enough about that to make an informed opinion but from what little I do know the Poles and Frogs seem to have a far greater sense of national identity and pride (beyond the "comparing themselves to America" that most other Euro nations tend to do) and so that probably has a lot to do with it. It also helps that France still has legitimate colonial holdings to fight over and the Poles have an absolutely vociferous hatred for both their neighbors.
 
With the sheer amount of 30mm cannons the US military is strapping on vehicles for drone duty, I'd say the spirit of the M3 Lee lives on. The Abrams X concept is literally this, except the 120mm is turreted and the 30mm on a RWS
Knowing military procurement, I actually doubt that the 20/30mm RWS we see on concept tanks today will make it on to production vehicles.

I'd say it has more chances of becoming a thing than the 130/140mm main guns though.
 
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Knowing military procurement, I actually doubt that the 20/30mm RWS we see on concept tanks today will make it on to production vehicles.

I'd say it has more chances of becoming a thing than the 130/140mm main guns though.
Smaller cannons on tanks besides the big one have always been a on and off thing tbh. For MBT's, the Centurion MK 1 had a 20mm Poleston besides the 17 pounder for a bit
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AMX-30 also had a 20mm for ground and AA use.
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And who can forget the MBT-70, which had a deployable 20mm on the top for AA use:
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It's not as crazy as it sounds. And that's just Cold War Main Battle Tanks. World War tanks were nutty. T-35 anyone?
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