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Hungry Wes Borland said:
Sharon, PM at the time, said that Iraq, not Palestine, was Israel's greatest threat, that the US and Israel had unprecedented collaboration over it, and Israel was NOT opposed to its invasion. Should be enough to stop right there, as his claim Israel didn't support it is already demonstrable bullshit, but just in case anyone doesn't realize there's much much more.
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demonstrably not true


In early January 2002, four months after the September 11 attacks, Israeli national security council director Uzi Dayan met in Washington with his American counterpart Condoleezza Rice. She told him — to his surprise, he later told me — that President Bush had decided to invade Iraq and topple Saddam Hussein. A month later Dayan’s boss, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, met with Bush in the White House and offered some advice, based on decades of Israeli intelligence.

Removing Saddam, Sharon said, according to three sources with direct knowledge, will have three main results, all negative. Iraq will implode into warring tribes of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds. You’ll be stuck in an Iraqi quagmire for a decade. And Iran, a far more dangerous player, will be rid of its principal enemy and free to pursue its ambitions of regional hegemony. Bush didn’t agree.

Israeli leaders continued pooh-poohing Iraq all spring. Dismissal turned to alarm in August, when Iranian dissidents released evidence that Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons. In September Sharon told his cabinet to stop discussing Iraq. It was annoying the White House.
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Some well-documented accounts have dated Bush’s decision to invade Iraq even earlier. Richard Clarke, counterterrorism chief at the National Security Council in 2001, wrote in his 2004 book “Against All Enemies” that on the morning after the attacks of September 11, 2001, Bush instructed him to look for evidence linking the attack to Saddam Hussein, even though it was already clear that Osama bin Laden was responsible.


Moreover, according to Bush’s first treasury secretary, Paul O’Neill, as reported in Ron Suskind’s 2004 book “The Price of Loyalty,” the Bush administration began planning the Iraq invasion on January 30, 2001, at Bush’s first National Security Council meeting, several days after his first inauguration and more than seven months before the 9/11 attacks.
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Hungry Wes Borland said:
Netanyahu personally lobbied Congress, claiming Iraq was developing WMDs, and pushed aggressively for the invasion behind the scenes. Much of the "intelligence" (intentional lies) claiming the WMDs existed was Israeli-sourced.
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He was invited to speak at a house committee in September 2002. According to Uzi Dayan, Bush had told the Israelis that he had made the decision to invade in January of 2002. Netanyahu did nothing to change the outcome.

Hungry Wes Borland said:
Moreover, destabilization of Iraq was a priority for the right wing of Israel and the subsequent neo-con policy they helped create. Jewish Israeli neo-cons wrote the A Clean Break policy paper in the 90s advocating for an aggressive new approach to Israel's regional adversaries, including overthrowing Hussein, as he and the Iraqi state posed such a threat to Israel.
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Israel regarded Iran as a bigger threat thanks to its nuclear program and its funding of proxies like Hezbollah/Hamas. Iraq was not a priority for the Israelis.

Hungry Wes Borland said:
Perle and his fellow neo-cons were instrumental in the aggressive reforms of the Pentagon's intelligence community, pushing out traditional foreign policy advisors and replaced them with appointees figures from explicitly Israeli-Jewish think tanks, including MEMRI (run by Jews), Washington Institute for Near East Policy (founded by AIPAC and run by Jews) and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (run by gentiles, actually.... just kidding it was run by fucking Jews).
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These Israelis somehow control Bush when it comes to Iraq but when Bush forced Israel to withdraw from Gaza and have Palestinians hold an election because Bush thought that the Palestinians would accept democracy and not elect terrorists, somehow the Israelis didn't control Bush then. Which is it?

Hungry Wes Borland said:
The only claims Israel advised "against" it were made by anonymous officials years after the fact, after it became obvious what a disaster it was and how the US foreign policy establishment was being out-classed by Iranian influence in Iraq.
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Danny Ayalon, Raanan Gissin, and Col. Lawrence Wilkerson are not anonymous officials.

Lawrence Wilkerson was very clear about this:


Israeli officials warned the George W. Bush administration that an invasion of Iraq would be destabilising to the region and urged the United States to instead target Iran as the primary enemy, according to former administration official Lawrence Wilkerson.

Wilkerson, then a member of the State Department's Policy Planning Staff and later chief of staff for Secretary of State Colin Powell, recalled in an interview with IPS that the Israelis reacted immediately to indications that the Bush administration was thinking of war against Iraq. After the Israeli government picked up the first signs of that intention, Wilkerson says, "The Israelis were telling us Iraq is not the enemy -- Iran is the enemy."

Wilkerson describes the Israeli message to the Bush administration in early 2002 as being, "If you are going to destabilise the balance of power, do it against the main enemy."

The warning against an invasion of Iraq was "pervasive" in Israeli communications with the administration, Wilkerson recalls. It was conveyed to the administration by a wide range of Israeli sources, including political figures, intelligence and private citizens.
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The Israeli advice against using military force against Iraq was apparently triggered by reports reaching Israeli officials in December 2001 that the Bush administration was beginning serious planning for an attack on Iraq. Journalist Bob Woodward revealed in "Plan of Attack" that on Dec. 1, 2001, Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld had ordered the Central Command chief Gen. Tommy Franks to come up with the first formal briefing on a new war plan for Iraq on Dec. 4. That started a period of intense discussions of war planning between Rumsfeld and Franks.
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Hungry Wes Borland said:
I'm sure I'm forgetting some things, but the reality is the invasion of Iraq really only makes sense as a Jewish Israeli project given how little impact it had on US foreign policy, how little was gained from it post invasion, yet what a critical component of Israeli policy it had been for decades prior.
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>critical component of israeli policy
>only mentioned once before in a clean break while another PM was in power
>no evidence that Sharon wanted to implement a clean break

Soycast Guy said:
If Israel is the people rather than the place, then yes, the US fought WW2 for Israel. I mean are we forgetting about the holocoaster that every Jew loves to remind us about?
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the US didn't fight ww2 to liberate the Jews from the holocaust. Germany declared war on the US first. The Allied forces didn't take steps to stop the holocaust when they could have easily done so.
 
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Catch The Rainbow said:
Gay marriage was solved and the NGOs pushing it needed a new justification to exist
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Its like the Southern Poverty Law Center. Its mission was to combat white supremacy groups and take down the Klan 55 years ago. Now that kind of of racism is dead, its mission accomplished, but the grift has to continue, so they go to bat for trannies and fight cities' police departments in court now.
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
I've never seen pol posting so stupid to blame the jews on pearl harbor
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Me neither. I suppose it goes to show what unhealthy obsessions do to the autist mind.
Soycast Guy said:
If Israel is the people rather than the place, then yes, the US fought WW2 for Israel. I mean are we forgetting about the holocoaster that every Jew loves to remind us about?
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Case in point right here: An unsupported assertion followed by a ridiculous non sequitur.
 
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Betonhaus said:
1. Would anyone really miss Hawaii if it was stolen?
2. Hawaii turned into a transportation hub would probably be great for it.
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Hawaii is such an odd place.

Half shitlib white, quarter shitlib Asian, quarter regular lib Asian - and the last group is the only reason why the state hasn’t completely reverted to some unholy amalgamation of Polynesia and Portland.

“Native” Hawaiians are a ridiculous group of we wuzzers that can’t survive off gibs and have the entire state sucking their cocks despite most of them being descended from mainlander migrants who returned in the 50s.

The leasehold system in particular is an incredible clusterfuck of libs enabling Islander Hotepism - some Hawaiian king in the 19th century says “only I can own land” so in the 1960s the libs change the land ownership system to leasehold because of course you have to go by what some tribal king proclaimed (many such cases btw, including from US District Courts passing law that effects the mainland). So now you can’t buy land in many areas, you have to lease it from holding companies that can legally just take it back with all improvements when the lease term is up. And this retarded system is universally considered to be good because it’s anti-capitalist and anti-colonialist.

Despite the insane level of gibs, Native Hawaiians either gtfo to mainland ethnic communes like Vegas or they loudly express disdain and anger towards military and tourism - the only economic drivers of the islands. They look at Hawaii and think that driving all the whites and Asians into the sea will result in Island Wakanda and not Another Third World Shithole Polynesian Country.

Plus you can’t even take a ferry between (most) islands, you have to fly. What a retarded place to live. Nice to visit though!
 
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