mind still = semi-blown at the fact that having kids is legal

[Jason Genova]

I legit situationed the first time I considered that birth is completely involuntary, just like many things we consider to be not moral
being born is basically the same thing as getting raped srs

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can anybody even come up with a legit argument against antinatalism?

id be willing to listen to it

NOTICE: when I first thought ab out posting this thread I was going to put up a vid from rebel absurdity, but that fucker deleted it so this thread is going to be shittier than I wanted it to be

 

[melty]

It's probably worse for men since you can't really choose an abortion lol

 

[ICametoLurk]

It's probably worse for men since you can't really choose an abortion lol

It's called making her trip on some stairs. Oldest form of abortion.

 

[melty]

It's called making her trip on some stairs. Oldest form of abortion.

Well yeah but I don't think it's certain that it works, and you don't just end up with an exceptional individual later.

 

[AA 102]

Well yeah but I don't think it's certain that it works, and you don't just end up with an exceptional individual later.

Just kill her then.

 

[Acceptable]

or just drink copious amounts of alcohol and do as many drugs as you can afford, and the baby will probably not survive..

 

[BT 075]

Life is actually pretty awesome, if you are not born with failure genetics like most of the people discussed on this website. Life has all sorts of cool stuff, like good food, alcohol, sex, traveling, sunshine and whatever. If you are a reasonable attractive and reasonable intelligent person with a decent income, there's zero reason not to have a bunch of kids if you feel like it. Chances are they'll have a pretty okay life. Antinatalism is some bullshit philosophy made up by some depressed autist from the 19th century who never got his dick wet in eighty years of living on this earth. No wonder he was a sad shit and considered the continuation of life "immoral".

 

[Jason Genova]

Antinatalism is some bullshit philosophy made up by some depressed autist from the 19th century who never got his dick wet in eighty years of living on this earth. No wonder he was a sad shit and considered the continuation of life "immoral".

I mean I was expecting a legit argument but I guess this collection of small-skulled low-IQ keyboard smashings is just as good

 

[BT 075]

I mean I was expecting a legit argument but I guess this collection of small-skulled low-IQ keyboard smashings is just as good

I'm just saying: only a virgin without life experience would compare giving birth to rape, I mean lol wtf. That's the sort of stuff that may get you reblogs on Tumblr land but will cause anyone in real people world to rightfully question your sanity.

 

[HG 400]

I legit situationed the first time I considered that birth is completely involuntary, just like many things we consider to be not moral
being born is basically the same thing as getting raped srs

Spoiler

can anybody even come up with a legit argument against antinatalism?

id be willing to listen to it

NOTICE: when I first thought ab out posting this thread I was going to put up a vid from rebel absurdity, but that fucker deleted it so this thread is going to be shittier than I wanted it to be

And every time you poop it's like getting fucked in the asshole, so you're basically a gigantic faggot.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

I'm with @Satan on this.
Life is fucking awesome. It's got love and whiskey and great movies and goals to accomplish and things to conquer.
I think it essentially boils down to whether or not you're man enough to take it on. To some, it's an entire world of opportunities and limitless potential.
And then, of course, there's a bunch of spineless pussies who see those opportunities, decide that it's just too haaard and resolve to wallow in a bunch of pseudointellectual drivel about how they never asked for this.
And the truth is, they earned that. If all you see is a world of potential failures and unhappiness, you deserve to live in your self-imposed misery.
Don't blame the world just because you're too weak to live in it.

 

[The Fool]

I like what vsauce said one time, how it's an impossibly small chance that you were born, and yet here you are. It keeps me going, through the depression and alcoholism.

 

[Shiversblood]

It is NOT POSSIBLE to rape someone who has not been born. Thus, as a direct result, being born is NOT the same as being raped. Because if you weren't born then you can't be raped in the first place.

That's just like a man attempting to rape a ghost, or attempting to rape someone who may or may not be born in the future, such as pelvic thrusting the thin air with the thought that perhaps the notnyet born person might be there such as in a different demneision and thus a small chance of succeeding in rape, never understanding that their theory is wrong in the first place.

How DARE you say being born is being raped. It really pisses me off when triggered feminists try to make everything sexual, make every thing a sexual assault, make even saying hi to a female some kind of male attack on female. I will NOT feel ashamed just for being male, and you were NOT raped just by being born. People like you are the reason why REAL rape victims lose all credibility. This thread is such bullshit.

 

[Curt Sibling]

OP should just be aborted. Retro-active prevention of rape.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

Most people don't voluntarily get arrested either but you don't take the fucking cop to court for stealing your meth

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

I mean I was expecting a legit argument but I guess this collection of small-skulled low-IQ keyboard smashings is just as good

Alright, fine, here's your argument:
Procreation is necessary for the continuation and advancement of the species. The misery and self-inflicted suffering of a few miserable fucks like you is an understandable expense in the pursuit of that goal.
If it costs the species five of you killing yourselves over imagined slights in exchange for producing another Elon Musk, that's what we call "acceptable collateral".
Because if we're being honest, we'd rather have hydrogen fuel cells than you. So don't see yourself as a victim. See yourself as a necessary failure on the way to creating someone useful.

 

[Curt Sibling]

Alright, fine, here's your argument:
Procreation is necessary for the continuation and advancement of the species. The misery and self-inflicted suffering of a few miserable fucks like you is an understandable expense in the pursuit of that goal.
If it costs the species five of you killing yourselves over imagined slights in exchange for producing another Elon Musk, that's what we call "acceptable collateral".
Because if we're being honest, we'd rather have hydrogen fuel cells than you. So don't see yourself as a victim. See yourself as a necessary failure on the way to creating someone useful.

Well spoken! This quote should be tatooed on every autist's forehead.

 

[Jason Genova]

@Dynastia
fucking lol if you and your best male friends aren't fucking each other in the ass srs

@Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.
Just consider this:
1. being born is involuntary
2. 99.999% of people experience pain in their lifetime
3. when you give birth to a child it is almost certain that the child will experience pain
4. having children is subjecting them to pain without their consent
5. by most standards of morality having children is immoral

Calm down with the angry tone of your responses bro, do you argue like this in real life?
Pissing somebody off is a fantastic way of making sure that you'll never make them believe what you believe.
When people like you they're like wet cement, when they're mad they get dry.

 

[AnOminous]

@Dynastia
fucking lol if you and your best male friends aren't fucking each other in the ass srs

@Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.
Just consider this:
1. being born is involuntary
2. 99.999% of people experience pain in their lifetime
3. when you give birth to a child it is almost certain that the child will experience pain
4. having children is subjecting them to pain without their consent
5. by most standards of morality having children is immoral

Ask the vast majority of people whether they'd rather be alive or not. Pick anywhere you like. Even the worst shithole on Earth.

If everyone in the world were a miserable son of a bitch like Arthur Schopenhauer, perhaps it would be a good philosophy.

However, more people than not, actually the vast majority, are pretty much okay with being alive even at its worst. So the net increase in happiness from people being born is positive, and therefore, it is morally justified under any utility analysis that takes happiness into account.

 

[Jason Genova]

Ask the vast majority of people whether they'd rather be alive or not. Pick anywhere you like. Even the worst shithole on Earth.

If everyone in the world were a miserable son of a bitch like Arthur Schopenhauer, perhaps it would be a good philosophy.

However, more people than not, actually the vast majority, are pretty much okay with being alive even at its worst. So the net increase in happiness from people being born is positive, and therefore, it is morally justified under any utility analysis that takes happiness into account.

best argument I've seen so far today, liked
I guess it is true that most people are glad to be alive. I still am against having kids (for the reasons given in post #1 but won't become some pro-human extinction terrorist faggot or anything.

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its gotten to the point that I hate everyone else on this site so much that I'm actually glad to see your posts in my threads, no homer