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Can you blame him? They ask stupid, bland questions and act like all you've ever done is whatever you're promoting. At the end of the day, you are just another spot and they do not care.
I understand that, but this was TV Guide in 1993. This was his introductory interview as a Star Trek Captain--big shoes to fill--promoting a brand new Star Trek television show.

He doesn't have to be Stepin Fetchit, but, come on, being a cast member of a hopefully-popular television show comes with responsibilities beyond acting.
 
I understand that, but this was TV Guide in 1993. This was his introductory interview as a Star Trek Captain--big shoes to fill--promoting a brand new Star Trek television show.

He doesn't have to be Stepin Fetchit, but, come on, being a cast member of a hopefully-popular television show comes with responsibilities beyond acting.
If you look up TV interviews that Brooks did during his time as Sisko, he comes across as someone who only shares 2.5 dimensions with the rest of us. That other half-dimension he's got is somewhere the rest of us can't reach.
 
I understand that, but this was TV Guide in 1993. This was his introductory interview as a Star Trek Captain--big shoes to fill--promoting a brand new Star Trek television show.

He doesn't have to be Stepin Fetchit, but, come on, being a cast member of a hopefully-popular television show comes with responsibilities beyond acting.
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If you look up TV interviews that Brooks did during his time as Sisko, he comes across as someone who only shares 2.5 dimensions with the rest of us. That other half-dimension he's got is somewhere the rest of us can't reach.
Brooks has always been a little... strange. It's sort of like what Quark says to Rom about Leck in "The Magnificent Ferengi": Avery Brooks is not your typical actor. His priorities are different than others.

He did a lot more stage acting and was deep, deep into what we'd politely call black theater. He did a stage production for the story of Solomon Northup, which is the basis for the movie Twelve Years A Slave. He starred in a film adaptation of Uncle Tom's Cabin and also took part in a Roots production. There were times he was very sensitive to how Benjamin Sisko appeared to the world as a single black father. In fact, he was extremely insistent that - at the end of DS9 - Sisko state that he would return because he went to the writers and basically said "you fucking assholes want me, a black guy, to knock up a woman and then get spirited away?" He pointed out how racist that was and, to be honest, he was right. Ira Steven Behr is, in many ways, a clueless and tone-deaf buffoon.

In my personal opinion, I think Brooks is deeply rooted in a sort of late 70's and 80's era of black nationalism that doesn't exist anymore. This is exemplified perfectly in Brook's role as Bob Sweeney in American History X.
 
In fact, he was extremely insistent that - at the end of DS9 - Sisko state that he would return
One of the weirdest I've ever seen. I dug the finale up until that moment. I’ll never forget watching it at 9 years old, completely baffled as Winn gets zapped, Dukat gets zapped, and then suddenly, Dukat’s back as lizard man.

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I get it—he’s this Antichrist figure who wants to rule and be worshipped... still feels like there’s no real reason why Winn couldn’t have been the evil emissary. Would've been less predictable. (No fault of Marc Alaimo—he crushed it.)
 
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I get it—he’s this Antichrist figure who wants to rule and be worshipped... still feels like there’s no real reason why Winn couldn’t have been the evil emissary. Would've been less predictable. (No fault of Marc Alaimo—dude crushed it.)
I absolutely believe that Ira Steven Behr is eternally buttmad that Marc Alaimo made Gul Dukat a compelling character. As much as I love Marc Alaimo, Dukat should not have returned after "Sacrifice of Angels." This was the perfect way to send off the character and complete his arc:


To this day, Behr cannot stand that the audience could view Dukat as anything but Space Hitler. I think that was a major reason Dukat came back. Hell, if you go on Reddit boards for discussing Star Trek, you're basically asking to get banned if you paint Dukat in any other way than Space Hitler. Was he a good guy? Absolutely not, but he ended up being a lot more grey than I think Behr wanted.

For fuck's sake, Dukat spared Ziyal and some people insist even that was performative. The dude has a psychotic break after Ziyal dies and you want the viewers to think he didn't really love her because he's Space Hitler? Get the fuck outta here with that.
 
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If you look up TV interviews that Brooks did during his time as Sisko, he comes across as someone who only shares 2.5 dimensions with the rest of us. That other half-dimension he's got is somewhere the rest of us can't reach.
That's where the Prophets live...

I absolutely believe that Ira Steven Behr is eternally buttmad that Marc Alaimo made Gul Dukat a compelling character. As much as I love Marc Alaimo, Dukat should not have returned after "Sacrifice of Angels." This was the perfect way to send off the character and complete his arc:
Nah, the true ending for Dukat should have been waltz. Either Sisko killed him there, or he escaped in the runabout to go find quark's daughter never to be seen again.
 
Nah, the true ending for Dukat should have been waltz.
"Waltz" was Behr jumping the shark with Dukat. I don't know where, but I do recall Behr explicitly stating that he didn't like sending Dukat off in a way that anyone could view as sympathetic. He wanted the viewers to hate Dukat and revel in his misfortune. Then, when they didn't, he brought him back as an Antichrist figure when it absolutely should have gone to Kai Winn.

Kai Winn was the superior villain in every way and Louise Fletcher knocked it out of the galaxy with her performance. It makes way more sense for the Antichrist figure to work in the background and scheme like she did.
 
"Waltz" was Behr jumping the shark with Dukat.
I see both sides. Ira had his vision, and certain, uh, passionate fans weren’t in alignment with it. It wasn’t quite Whedon shoving Marsters against a wall and yelling “DEAD!!,” but they were never going to meet in the middle.

Dukat dressing like some half-starved farmer was a laugh, but he should’ve died in "Waltz." Not that he needed a hero’s sendoff—he was always at his best wobbling between delusion and outright failure.
 
I see both sides. Ira had his vision, and certain, uh, passionate fans weren’t in alignment with it. It wasn’t quite Whedon shoving against a wall and yelling “DEAD!!,” but they were never going to meet in the middle.

Dukat dressing like some half-starved farmer was a laugh, but he should’ve died in "Waltz." Not that he needed a hero’s sendoff—he was always at his best wobbling between delusion and outright failure.
I actually liked Dukat becoming a Bajoran simply because it gave Alaimo the chance to perform without all the make-up.
 
"Waltz" was Behr jumping the shark with Dukat. I don't know where, but I do recall Behr explicitly stating that he didn't like sending Dukat off in a way that anyone could view as sympathetic. He wanted the viewers to hate Dukat and revel in his misfortune. Then, when they didn't, he brought him back as an Antichrist figure when it absolutely should have gone to Kai Winn.
I mean Waltz is about Dukat going to stand trial and the episode is literally him being on trial with Sisko as the prosecutor and the audience as the jury.

Had it been the end it would have a perfect capstone to the character leaving it up to the audience his guilt and fate.

As others have pointed out - Dukat never really was a good guy. He was always the same man across time. What changed in the series is that sometimes his goals aligned with the main cast. He was never redeemed, it was just happenstance.

Damar? That man had a redemption arc.

I actually liked Dukat becoming a Bajoran simply because it gave Alaimo the chance to perform without all the make-up.
We already got to see Marc act without makeup.

Semi seriously - it would have been amusing to have them bring back Alaimo as a bajoran... half breed of Dukat. (who had been in hiding for decades)

Hey it worked for Denise Crosby.
 
I mean Waltz is about Dukat going to stand trial and the episode is literally him being on trial with Sisko as the prosecutor and the audience as the jury.

Had it been the end it would have a perfect capstone to the character leaving it up to the audience his guilt and fate.

As others have pointed out - Dukat never really was a good guy. He was always the same man across time. What changed in the series is that sometimes his goals aligned with the main cast. He was never redeemed, it was just happenstance.

Damar? That man had a redemption arc.
I dunno. "Waltz" just felt unnecessary, but that's just me. You're not wrong, though.

Damar ruled. One of the best redemption arcs in television. Casey Biggs did such a fantastic job and talk about luck: he went from a side-character to one of the most important characters in Star Trek canon. Biggs was really funny at cons.
 
I dunno. "Waltz" just felt unnecessary, but that's just me. You're not wrong, though.

Damar ruled. One of the best redemption arcs in television. Casey Biggs did such a fantastic job and talk about luck: he went from a side-character to one of the most important characters in Star Trek canon. Biggs was really funny at cons.
He knows, deep down, he’s no James Gandolfini (he’s a better singer than actor, tbh) and is just grateful to be involved in something that’s still kicking.

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One of the weirdest I've ever seen. I dug the finale up until that moment. I’ll never forget watching it at 9 years old, completely baffled as Winn gets zapped, Dukat gets zapped, and then suddenly, Dukat’s back as lizard man.

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I get it—he’s this Antichrist figure who wants to rule and be worshipped... still feels like there’s no real reason why Winn couldn’t have been the evil emissary. Would've been less predictable. (No fault of Marc Alaimo—he crushed it.)
I liked the idea of even literal demons being like "eww. no. " at having to deal with Wynn and her bullshit
 
There were times he was very sensitive to how Benjamin Sisko appeared to the world as a single black father. In fact, he was extremely insistent that - at the end of DS9 - Sisko state that he would return because he went to the writers and basically said "you fucking assholes want me, a black guy, to knock up a woman and then get spirited away?" He pointed out how racist that was and, to be honest, he was right. Ira Steven Behr is, in many ways, a clueless and tone-deaf buffoon.
I think he was a bit overly sensitive to that. No one would consider getting co-opted by the Prophets to be a man deserting his wife and child if he were any other race, and I doubt many people considered it as such when they saw the DS9 finale. Brooks' views on race and racism wormed their way into the show here and there - sometimes it worked well like in 'Far Beyond the Stars', sometimes it was out of place like in 'Badda Bing, Badda Bang' (where he doesn't want to play a video game because it's set in a time and place where there was racism against black people).
 
(where he doesn't want to play a video game because it's set in a time and place where there was racism against black people).
I still say that worked because EVERYBODY was like "dude, chill the fuck out it's a fucking game" and then the story is resolved with him finally playing along and having fun and singing
 
I still say that worked because EVERYBODY was like "dude, chill the fuck out it's a fucking game" and then the story is resolved with him finally playing along and having fun and singing
It's still weird for a character to be like that - it's like a Jewish person not wanting to play the Assassin's Creed game set in 1600s Rome because the time and place was antisemetic.

Makes sense if that person is the kind of unstable weirdo who hangs out on Resetera, makes a lot less sense if that person is the administrator of a military facility.

It was still fun watching the other characters, especially Kasidy Yates, point out that he was being ridiculous.
 
I still say that worked because EVERYBODY was like "dude, chill the fuck out it's a fucking game" and then the story is resolved with him finally playing along and having fun and singing
That AND they at least placed the episode after "Far Beyond the Stars."

So even within the show it would make sense why Ben was feeling more upset about the period (when he had experienced that stuff a few years prior) while Kassidy and Jake didn't.

I'm not saying that excuses his actions, it just explains it. (And I like it when a show has a logical explanation for a character doing something I disagree with.)
 
That AND they at least placed the episode after "Far Beyond the Stars."

So even within the show it would make sense why Ben was feeling more upset about the period (when he had experienced that stuff a few years prior) while Kassidy and Jake didn't.

I'm not saying that excuses his actions, it just explains it. (And I like it when a show has a logical explanation for a character doing something I disagree with.)
yeah this is important too, like if somebody was like "lol fuck flutes" at picard before or after that time
 
I still say that worked because EVERYBODY was like "dude, chill the fuck out it's a fucking game" and then the story is resolved with him finally playing along and having fun and singing
The only person with any sense in that episode was Worf. "He is a hologram."

I loved Vic and that episode is a great little breather before the heavy stuff. The last scene where Frankie Eyes and Cheech get escorted out by Zeemo's guys with their guns just under their jackets was a nice touch. Plus, we get to hear Brooks sing.
 
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