Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

TaimuRadiu said:
Watch The Captains. Avery Brooks vs William Shatner. And Shatner is playing the straight man.
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They’re both weirdos, no question. I think it’s only in the last few years that Bill has finally started to chill out.
AnOminous said:
Tbh I preferred Kirstie Alley, yes I know she's a total flake and a nutjob but she nailed it in II.
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The hottest Vulcan in Star Trek, frankly.

In some alternate timeline where Kirstie got a colonoscopy and Picard had an ounce of fun, they should've added Saavik into the mix. #Thirsty4Kirstie
 
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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
I thought they handled Nog very well throughout the series and he went from something of a side character to a main, well-developed part of the show. Lots of characters on DS9 developed like this and the writers did them a lot more justice than the side-characters in TNG. Damar is obviously the best example of this, but there are others.

ITPM is probably one of the best Star Trek episodes of all time, period. Does anyone know what the fuck went down with Avery Brooks, though? Cirroc Lofton has stated that Brooks has been blacklisted for some reason, but no one has ever elaborated. My suspicion is that Brooks doesn't have an agent and doesn't want to deal with one at this point in his life, but the industry demands that you have one unless you're a mega-star like Bill Murray. Some people on the Internet say he's kooky, but others say they met him at cons or other public events and he was warm.

Brooks was definitely weird in the DS9 documentary, but I'm positive that was Brooks punk testing William Shatner (which Shatner failed).
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iirc I've heard Brooks is equal parts "give no fucks" and "jazz"
so yeah the minute he has enough money to fuck off, I can absolutely see why he's just playing the piano at Jim Kirk
 
Avery Brooks is into some Nation of Islam stuff which I presume is what got his character shoved into perpetual gay prophet jail.
 
VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
Who the fuck is watching television in 2025?
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(The glass appears out of thin air. Sonny samples it and whistles)
DATA: Is there something wrong?
SONNY: Wrong? Only that your computer here fixed about the best martini I have ever had. I just might get to like this place. Let's see if the Braves are on. How do you turn on this teevee?
RIKER: TV?
SONNY: Yeah, the boob tube. I'd like to see how the Braves are doing after all this time. Probably still finding ways to lose.
DATA: I believe he means television, sir. That particular form of entertainment did not last much beyond the year two thousand forty.
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- The Next Generation Transcripts - The Neutral Zone

context:

A bunch of people from the late 20th century were found in cryostasis in some spacecraft, in the 24th century.
 
>TV is out in 2040 according to Data
>"who tf watches tv in 2025?"
Well, we didn't get the Reunification of Ireland last year, or the Bell Riots. It's still happening regardless.
 
JustSomeDong said:
I stopped counting on the Trek-becomes-real dimensional merge after we missed out on the Eugenics Wars, myself.
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SNW actually revealed we are in the (bad) timeline where the film's temporal fuckery delays Khan's IVF inception till 1999, he's currently marinating in a test tube in Toronto if you wanna bust him out and get the Eastern Coalition/Western Alliance party started, no idea wtf Colonel Green is up too though.
 
Mound Dweller said:
no idea wtf Colonel Green is up too though.
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He's owning libcucks with Big Red edits.

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Now that you mention it, it is disappointing that Green never actually appeared in person. I’d like to see how an eco-fascist would work on a TV show, especially Star Trek, which has a history of fetishizing indigenous cultures; Col. Green using looming environmental collapse as an excuse for the usual ultra-conservative ‘purity’ rhetoric. But we’re still a way off from anyone in real life tackling that debate.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
Now that you mention it, it is disappointing that Green never actually appeared in person. I’d like to see how an eco-fascist would work on a TV show, especially Star Trek, which has a history of fetishizing indigenous cultures; Col. Green using looming environmental collapse as an excuse for the usual ultra-conservative ‘purity’ rhetoric. But we’re still a way off from anyone in real life tackling that debate.
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The "Make Earth Human Again" episodes with Robocop had a video of one of his speeches but that's it. TNG or DS9 missed an opportunity in not having a Unabomber-style enemy for an episode that wanted to make Earth less tech dependent. Warp drives and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race. There were those based guys on Risa that ruined the whore Jadzia's vacation but that was it.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
ITPM is probably one of the best Star Trek episodes of all time, period. Does anyone know what the fuck went down with Avery Brooks, though? Cirroc Lofton has stated that Brooks has been blacklisted for some reason, but no one has ever elaborated.
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I remember when DS9 premiered, Brooks did an interview with TV Guide, which was funny in how hostile it was. It's likely his disregard of promotional niceties--his hatred of doing publicity--kind of worked against him.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
The "Make Earth Human Again" episodes with Robocop had a video of one of his speeches but that's it. TNG or DS9 missed an opportunity in not having a Unabomber-style enemy for an episode that wanted to make Earth less tech dependent. Warp drives and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race. There were those based guys on Risa that ruined the whore Jadzia's vacation but that was it.
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DS9 Had Paradise, with the nutter bitch and her son stranding a ship on a planet and sabotaging all technology* so people could rediscover "their inner humanity" or some-such spacehippie bullshit.

*With, of course, TECHNOLOGY!

And, close, TNG Force of Nature with alien space hippies fracturing subspace, and introducing the whole "warp drive damages subspace gotta go warp 5 unless emergency" bullshit. At least, as a result, Voyagers variable warp nacelles looked kind of cool.
 
Scritti Politti said:
I remember when DS9 premiered, Brooks did an interview with TV Guide, which was funny in how hostile it was. It's likely his disregard of promotional niceties--his hatred of doing publicity--kind of worked against him.
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Can you blame him? They ask stupid, bland questions and act like all you've ever done is whatever you're promoting. At the end of the day, you are just another spot and they do not care.

Brooks would thrive in the current ecosystem of long form interview podcasts. Joe Rogan would love to smoke pot with Brooks and talk about jazz for three hours.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Can you blame him? They ask stupid, bland questions and act like all you've ever done is whatever you're promoting. At the end of the day, you are just another spot and they do not care.

Brooks would thrive in the current ecosystem of long form interview podcasts. Joe Rogan would love to smoke pot with Brooks and talk about jazz for three hours.
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Avery keeps stacking up Ws as the years put more distance between us.

I used to think Stoklasa was being cynical when he called it the "celebrity zoo," but lately, I’ve been reading more and more cringeworthy convention stories—fans lining up just to ask the same questions you've heard a thousand times and the actors giving confused shrugs. Obviously, the press isn’t covering this phenomenon, so all I have to go on is secondhand embarrassment on Reddit.

There was a time when conventions were seen as the domain of awkward weirdos, not helped by Shatner’s “Get a life" speech. Then geek culture went mainstream, and cult film actors were treated like royalty, and now we’re in the inevitable backlash phase. Give it time, we’ll see more actors venting about how much they hate this stuff.

 
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Captain Syrup said:
Avery keeps stacking up Ws as the years put more distance between us.

I used to think Stoklasa was being cynical when he called it the "celebrity zoo," but lately, I’ve been reading more and more cringeworthy convention stories—fans lining up just to ask the same questions you've heard a thousand times and the actors giving confused shrugs. Obviously, the press isn’t covering this phenomenon, so all I have to go on is secondhand embarrassment on Reddit.

There was a time when conventions were seen as the domain of awkward weirdos, not helped by Shatner’s “Get a life" speech. Then geek culture went mainstream, and cult film actors were treated like royalty, and now we’re in the inevitable backlash phase. Give it time, we’ll see more actors venting about how much they hate this stuff.

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Cons were better when there weren't cameras everywhere. Actors spoke their minds because there weren't people recording everything. Now it's either really uncomfortable or totally performative. Some actors don't want to be "on" all the time.
 
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