GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Slav Power]

We may actually be looking at a future where nobody uses Windows anymore, either some flavour of Apple's *OS, Linux, or ChromeOS.

Unless Linux will be able to run 100% of all the Windows software, I doubt it. Linux still has lightyears to go in terms of the more specific functionality like HDR support or color correction. All of those under the hood features just work on Windows, and on Linux it's a mess that no one cares to make as streamlined as it is on Windows. Also Wine would have to catch up to Windows 11 levels of "it just works" compatibility, yet they still struggle with years long issues everyone keeps pestering them about.

It's a very optimistic scenario, but if you're in the more specific Windows software ecosystem and not a nigger cattle that'd be satisfied with a Macbook or Chromebook, Windows will never get fully superseded. It'll only get gradually worse while the only potential direct alternative for it won't get any better, as in won't get to the point where it will be a Windows replacement, as the people developing it are ideologically opposed of it. It'll be the same "choose your poison" scenario that we have today, but worse.

I do wonder how much the enterprise market will force Microsoft to at the very least keep Windows functional though. It already forced them to make LTSC run on "unsupported" machines, and it may force them to keep the core functionality of Windows alive in perpetuity.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

We may actually be looking at a future where nobody uses Windows anymore, either some flavour of Apple's *OS, Linux, or ChromeOS.

Microsoft will ship their own closed-source Windows compatibility layer on top of a Linux distribution, finally heralding the Year of Linux on the Desktop, and embrace/extend/extinguish the hell out of everything else.

 

[The Ugly One]

Somebody could take a real shot at Windows by targeting enterprise desktop environments first. Start with workstations, many of which already run Linux, and make a DE that isn't shit. Push out from there into more desktops in the business, integrate some kind of automatic WINE roller for Windows installers, and you could theoretically snowball that into consumer adoption.

 

[Max Weber]

You guys aren't seeing the full picture. Windows? Linux? BSD? macOS? Fucking ChromeOS? No. The real challenger is ReactOS, and they will catch up to Windows Server 2003 any minute now. Trust.

make a DE that isn't shit

Task two Linux devs with that and you'll have a knife fight on your hands within 10 minutes.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Somebody could take a real shot at Windows by targeting enterprise desktop environments first. Start with workstations, many of which already run Linux, and make a DE that isn't shit. Push out from there into more desktops in the business, integrate some kind of automatic WINE roller for Windows installers, and you could theoretically snowball that into consumer adoption.

>Linux
>DE not shit
Pick one bro.

 

[Betonhaus]

>Linux
>DE not shit
Pick one bro.

Linux Mint. Cinnamon is awesome.

 

[The Ugly One]

>Linux
>DE not shit
Pick one bro.

Android.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Android.

That is a dark day if we're shoving a mobile ARM based OS built for playing Angry Birds into servers because it has the best GUI.

 

[Raging Capybara]

ANY TIME NOW, WINDOWS IS DEAD

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

Shit like this is why I don't throw away my "old" electronics. I still have my old GTX980. And my old GTX580.... and two even older 9800GTs. Old motherboards, CPUs, RAM,

See, we are not "hoarding" by holding on to old hardware.

 

[Slav Power]

See, we are not "hoarding" by holding on to old hardware.

It's only hoarding if the hardware in question is non-functional.

 

[Mister Fister]

Unless Linux will be able to run 100% of all the Windows software, I doubt it. Linux still has lightyears to go in terms of the more specific functionality like HDR support or color correction. All of those under the hood features just work on Windows, and on Linux it's a mess that no one cares to make as streamlined as it is on Windows. Also Wine would have to catch up to Windows 11 levels of "it just works" compatibility, yet they still struggle with years long issues everyone keeps pestering them about.

It's a very optimistic scenario, but if you're in the more specific Windows software ecosystem and not a nigger cattle that'd be satisfied with a Macbook or Chromebook, Windows will never get fully superseded. It'll only get gradually worse while the only potential direct alternative for it won't get any better, as in won't get to the point where it will be a Windows replacement, as the people developing it are ideologically opposed of it. It'll be the same "choose your poison" scenario that we have today, but worse.

I do wonder how much the enterprise market will force Microsoft to at the very least keep Windows functional though. It already forced them to make LTSC run on "unsupported" machines, and it may force them to keep the core functionality of Windows alive in perpetuity.

SteamOS runs HDR fine now.

 

[The Ugly One]

That is a dark day if we're shoving a mobile ARM based OS built for playing Angry Birds into servers because it has the best GUI.

Nope. Just pointing out that a large corporation with a will to execute and control over the project can build a successful, consumer-oriented UI on top of the Linux kernel. There's nothing about Linux itself that prevents this from happening on the desktop. But let's look at key elements of Google's success with Android:

1. They targeted a market segment that was priced out by Apple and dissatisfied with alternatives.
2. They told the Linux People who insist infinite customization (i.e. no reliable standards) is the soul of Linux to go fuck themselves. There is nothing in Android world comparable to the "Wayland vs X" debate or the endless screeching by paste-eaters over systemd.
3. They provided developer tools to make it easy to develop and deploy on Android with zero concern whatsoever to making any of this work with Fedora or Ubuntu or whatever.

They haven't really done the same with Chromebook. That's been mostly a disappointment for them. But you could succeed with those 3 basic elements. Hell, Apple could have based OSX on the Linux kernel and been just as successful as they are now.

 

[Slav Power]

But you could succeed with those 3 basic elements.

Unfortunately, #2 is impossible to achieve. Something something diversity is our strength. Microsoft will un-fuck Windows back to 7 era levels of good sooner than the Linux community will collectively pull their heads out of their own asses and settles on a single universal standard.

In both cases hell will freeze over first.

 

[Raging Capybara]

This discussion reminded me of the spergs on Games saying how awesome the Steam Deck is and how Nintendo, Sony, and Microshit are done in the industry. Recently news came that the Steam Deck sold a measly 4 million units, worse than the WiiU, and probably a bigger flop than the Dreamcast.

But don't worry, niggers. Windows is DONE. Linux is absolutely going to DESTROY the market.

 

[The Ugly One]

Unfortunately, #2 is impossible to achieve. Something something diversity is our strength. Microsoft will un-fuck Windows back to 7 era levels of good sooner than the Linux community will collectively pull their heads out of their own asses and settles on a single universal standard.

In both cases hell will freeze over first.

#2 is achievable because Google achieved it. Any other large company could do the same; they just choose not to. But suppose one chose differently. Suppose, for example, IBM stopped acting like a pants-shitting retard (metaphysically impossible) and decided, "You know what, fuck it, and fuck Microsoft, we're going to make Fedora the leading enterprise desktop OS." They throw away all existing desktop environments and start fresh. They put together something nice, include the ability to launch an X server so that existing Linux desktop apps Just Werk, and they start selling Linux workstations and terminals to various companies, maybe starting with some really boring companies like banks and airports. Except of course, they don't call it Linux, they call it something boring and gay, like IBM Enterprise Desktop. It's entirely achievable.

 

[jeff7989]

Google did well with compositor on Andoid, it used to be a laggy piece of shit with lots of stutters, now any phone can run stable 60fps. As for apps, all mobile shit runs in fullscreen, that doesn't sound impressive in any way.
PopOS is close to normie OS, it even supports recovering to "factory" image. I'm not sure about direction they are going now though with the rust powered abortion DE.

 

[Fcret]

Unfortunately, #2 is impossible to achieve. Something something diversity is our strength. Microsoft will un-fuck Windows back to 7 era levels of good sooner than the Linux community will collectively pull their heads out of their own asses and settles on a single universal standard.

In both cases hell will freeze over first.

But that's basically what Steam on Linux does - circumvents the system libraries in favor the ones that Valve provides. Same with things like flatpak, appimage, and snaps.

This stuff has been solved forever, it's just autistic ricers who refuse to touch it. Normies would probably find flatpaks easier to deal with than installshield slop tbh.

This discussion reminded me of the spergs on Games saying how awesome the Steam Deck is and how Nintendo, Sony, and Microshit are done in the industry. Recently news came that the Steam Deck sold a measly 4 million units, worse than the WiiU, and probably a bigger flop than the Dreamcast.

But don't worry, niggers. Windows is DONE. Linux is absolutely going to DESTROY the market.

Windows is done because Microsoft doesn't care about it anymore. We're not talking about 1990s Microsoft where they hire dedicated teams of autists to write per-application workarounds into the OS so misbehaving win16 programs can run fine on Windows 95. Modern Microsoft can't even decide on a single standard for how desktop apps should be built, can't decide on which of the 10000 different widget toolkits they should use for their system dialogues, and soon won't even properly support 32-bit applications.

 

[Dollar Store Sentai]

So I was given a 3060ti by a friend who upgraded to replace my RX480. However, when I replace the card (after using DDU to get rid of the AMD drivers) the card flickers, has artifacts to the point of the app crashing, or flat out rebooting my PC. I'm running an Asus b350m motherboard, Ryzen R7 1700, 16gb 3200 memory and have a Seasonic 620w Power supply.

Is it possible/probable that the PSU being 8 years old just isn't supplying the juice the card needs? PC runs fine with the 480, which is lowering the list of suspects it could be. (The 3060ti was tested before giving it to me and worked fine then)

 

[Fcret]

So I was given a 3060ti by a friend who upgraded to replace my RX480. However, when I replace the card (after using DDU to get rid of the AMD drivers) the card flickers, has artifacts to the point of the app crashing, or flat out rebooting my PC. I'm running an Asus b350m motherboard, Ryzen R7 1700, 16gb 3200 memory and have a Seasonic 620w Power supply.

Is it possible/probable that the PSU being 8 years old just isn't supplying the juice the card needs? PC runs fine with the 480, which is lowering the list of suspects it could be. (The 3060ti was tested before giving it to me and worked fine then)

Very possibly an old/insufficient PSU. The 3060 Ti was fabbed by Samsung and their process somewhat infamously produced inefficient chips (especially in low-power idle states). The RX 480 is a 150W card while the 3060Ti can hit 200W.

Also 8 years is quite old for a PSU if it's seeing regular use.