YABookgate

I read Fahrenheit 451 when I was 13 and I really enjoyed it. The worst things in any novel are endless descriptions (Jules Verne is nasty, nasty, nasty for this), romance, and overly character-driven stuff, and that's not unique to teenage boys -- anyone can appreciate a fast-paced, decisive story in a cool setting. I also really liked The Invisible Man at the time for the same reasons; it blew my mind.
I mean, I loved Journey to the Center of the Earth and the other big Verne books, but I don't know if I'd be able to go back to them.

In retrospect, I can see why Shakespeare is pushed -- it's all the good parts of literature in one and a good example for literary devices and whatnot -- but it also comes across as stodgy, boring, and overly melodramatic. Shakespeare is like musical scales; they can get really boring and obsessively autistic at times, but they have the basics.
It's also so foundational that anyone with enough exposure to a broad amount of well-made media will recognize the various cliches and tropes that Shakespeare built.
 
Why do men always complain that they are being oppressed by a lack of pulpy literature being written in Current Year for them? Men are already occupied with a whole industry of multi-billion dollar movies, TV shows, and video games made by them just for them. Women are getting big in publishing because it's their only recourse in this situation, and it's much easier to enter than film or game development.
Well... "Jane Austen" is a myth is... certainly a take. Maybe you've heard a little series called Harry Potter. It's kind of obscure, don't know if you read it but it was written by a woman.

Romance has been the biggest part of publishing since before the Internet existed. I remember it drawfing men's lit in bookstores as long as I've been alive. Women have always been big in publishing. If it's "hard" entering other fields, how hard do you think it was to invent those fields? There's literally nothing stopping any woman from going into a wilderness or frontier and inventing something new just for them. Yeah it will be hard - that's not men's fault, that's reality.

Academia is running out of things to say about Shakespeare at this point.
It's not about saying something new - it's about transmission of culture. Newsflash - a baby born yesterday has never heard of Shakespeare. So you teach them and the child born tomorrow and the child born the day after because that's how you keep your culture and society going. This would be like saying, "well we've run out of new stuff to do with numbers - let's just stop teaching kids math."

The worst things in any novel are endless descriptions (Jules Verne is nasty, nasty, nasty for this)
What? A man who lived 1828-1905 has a lot of description????

Reminder: the first known camera photograph was made in 1826 (2 years before he was born). Camera technology would then continue to develop through his life.

The point is - Jules wrote at a time and from a tradition where images as we know them weren't a super common part of people's lives. When a sailor went all the way to the new world and then came back, to convey the experience to those in his homeland, he would either have to bring samples of plants, animals, and people, and he would have to describe it.
 
Well... "Jane Austen" is a myth is... certainly a take. Maybe you've heard a little series called Harry Potter. It's kind of obscure, don't know if you read it but it was written by a woman.

Romance has been the biggest part of publishing since before the Internet existed. I remember it drawfing men's lit in bookstores as long as I've been alive. Women have always been big in publishing. If it's "hard" entering other fields, how hard do you think it was to invent those fields? There's literally nothing stopping any woman from going into a wilderness or frontier and inventing something new just for them. Yeah it will be hard - that's not men's fault, that's reality.
Romance has always been a big seller. Ever hear of Song of Solomon? It's a romance in the Bible. And The Bible in all its various translations is the most published book of all time. I mean it sucks if you want to do something like sci fi, a baby in the writing scene all things considered, but this is just facts.
 
Here's the thing once you've been in publishing you'll learn quickly: you don't need submissions. You don't want submissions. You'll have a pile so big of so much unreadable crap that it's more than a full time job. I know this because I was a front line "Slush reader" at the early stages of my career. The incompetence in writing is so ridiculous I can't even do it justice talking about it.

I have no idea why they're working to drum up more submissions. The only reason you'd want to publish someone as a house like this is if they have a following that can bring you enough readers to make up the editing/cover art investment and pay for a little of your overhead.

Yeah, I too am a little skeptical about this contest. It's being funded by the same person who funded the infamous "Passage Prize" a few years ago. Are you familiar with Passage Prize? Marketed itself as being a home to "dissident" literature, but it ended up mostly just publishing non-fiction stuff by Curtis Yarvin and Steve Sailer. (Here is a link for the curious.) To this day, in the almost five years that Passage Press has existed, they have only published one fiction novel from a new author. This despite hundreds of new sci-fi authors submitting stories.

So now, the same guy is funding another contest at a new publishing house. Why? Was there an argument between Peter Thiel and Lomez at Passage Press? Why not host the contest at Passage Press? Both houses only exist because Peter Thiel funded them. Peter Thiel creating Arc House to compete with Baen Books is something I understand, as he doesn't own Baen. But creating Arc House to do the same thing one of his other houses is doing seems weird.

I hope I'm wrong, but I predict that whoever wins this Arc Press prize will have close to 10,000 followers on X. It'll be an ex-Baen author, some Sad Puppy we recognize. Or it'll be some e-celeb associated with MAGA. Ben Shapiro writing a sci-fi novel, etc. Again though, I hope I'm wrong.

P.S. Was it Critical Blast Publishing you were slush reading for? I recall you used to be with those guys, but I may be mistaken.
 
Because you want to actually give people a chance you nitwit. Bring in fresh blood. Holy shit you're dumb.

No, it's business realities. I've watched a zillion publishers start up, do this, fail.

The only difference here is this one has Peter Theil money to burn.
 
No, it's business realities. I've watched a zillion publishers start up, do this, fail.

The only difference here is this one has Peter Theil money to burn.
aren't fanzines and "contests" the places to find new authors? or indie spaces in general? I don't understand why they'd be rushing to fill it up with new faces. I'd wager that if they'd really needed more on their catalogue, wouldn't it be better to do something akin to Wildside Press and just make anthologies/collections of public domain material or get the license to reprint older works like Poul Anderson, Lester del Rey, Richard Matheson, etc. It just seems so pointless to try this right out the gate.

They'd probably see a trickle of people willing to buy an ebook that's just anthologized vintage genre short works.
 
Well... "Jane Austen" is a myth is... certainly a take. Maybe you've heard a little series called Harry Potter. It's kind of obscure, don't know if you read it but it was written by a woman.
There are a lot of women who are simply incapable of recognizing the women who came before them. The moment she said "it's their only recourse in this situation" was the moment she announced she is one of those. Doesn't matter how much evidence you show them of women before their time. It goes in one ear, and out the other. She even thinks the video game, and movie industries haven't their own fair share of women. Or that those industries still cater to the male audience, if they ever did.
 
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Why do men always complain that they are being oppressed by a lack of pulpy literature being written in Current Year for them?
Because there's been a concentrated effort by publishing companies to not produce anything boys, teen boys or men would enjoy reading. If you're a male and read as a hobby it's extremely likely that you are digging through the annals of history for material, not reading new releases. "Academic" second-generation asian-American women with less self-awareness than a mosquito writing self-aggrandizing fanfiction set in the modern era have done more damage to the literary world than every Chinese emperor combined.
 
Mate have you not been paying attention to anything in the last 15 years?
I should have added more emphasis to my use of the word everyone, but fair point.
Why do men always complain that they are being oppressed by a lack of pulpy literature being written in Current Year for them? Men are already occupied with a whole industry of multi-billion dollar movies, TV shows, and video games made by them just for them. Women are getting big in publishing because it's their only recourse in this situation, and it's much easier to enter than film or game development. Teenage boys aren't refusing to read because they're getting Twilight and bow and arrow princess books shoved down their throats; they'd simply rather play video games and watch porn. Do you know how many teachers and parents have tried and failed to encourage teenage boys to read? This is only a market that's being abandoned because it disappeared. If you want to revive it, stop complaining and show there's demand for it with your wallets.
I'm not particularly interested in pulp fiction as a reader. I do read genre fiction, enjoy it, and write it myself; but pulp fiction for males of all ages is still available in self-publishing. Most of it just happens to suck. The unfortunate realization I've been circling for a while is that the midlist of traditional publishing is what fostered a lot of writers who eventually broke out to become bestsellers. The midlist is now the self-publishing industry, but the major difference is that the roles formerly played by gatekeepers—editors of all kinds—are now contractors to the writer. When the editor is employed by the writer, it's up to the writer to set aside his ego and learn from the editor and up to the editor to have the will to tell the writer when his book sucks. Editors are only likely to have that willpower if they don't need any one writer and can risk pissing him off.

This inversion of the writer-editor relationship means that writer's go on producing shit and making a living from half-literate readers who forget about their books as soon as they open another on their Kindle.

When traditional publishing maintained more midlist authors, some of them were able to improve book after book. Many more gradually built fanbases until their second, third, or fifth or sixth book became a breakout bestseller. We still have the latter in self-publishing. I don't think we really have the former.

What's left of male-oriented literature is in self-publishing. Without the support of publishing houses, only the lowest common-denominator litRPG slop can survive. Palahniuk, Ellis, Alan Furst, William Gibson, and Neal Stephenson, these guys wouldn't survive if they were starting today (maybe Stephenson would find a way to sniper shot his way onto Amazon's bestseller list, because he'd turn that into an interesting reverse-engineering problem).

Self-publishing as it currently exists doesn't support quality writing. It moves too fast and gives too little. And right now, there's nowhere else for male writers who don't have MFAs or someone else's money to live off of.

Do some men complain too much or too thoughtlessly about the recent shifts in the entertainment industry? Yes. I think the initial impulse to encourage more women to produce work in all fields of entertainment was a good one. Even female writers whom I find obnoxious have produced work that I found personally moving. A perfect example is Mary Robinette Kowal. Judging by her public persona, I find her insufferable. I've heard from somone who met her at a writers' conference before she basically usurped Writing Excuses that she comes off as a politician, always angling for favor and influence. That said, the original Lady Astronaut of Mars short story made me choke up.

But, much like the push over several decades to get more women into higher education, there's been an over-correction. What started as a push for parity has resulted in an inversion of the male-dominated past. It's dynamics like this that make me think that what people call "social justice" is really social vengeance.
 
Because there's been a concentrated effort by publishing companies to not produce anything boys, teen boys or men would enjoy reading.
Its worse than that, they've drunk the kool-aid to the point where they actively pathologize anything men like: military fiction, high adventure, beautiful women, etc. And they give prizes and contracts based on that.
Echo Chamberlin has put out a couple of good videos about this lately. In his post recent one he gives a synopsis of the winning entries in a particular writing contest and it's literally the same story over and over again: BIPOC female alphabet person writing about being a BIPOC alphabet person.

Do some men complain too much or too thoughtlessly about the recent shifts in the entertainment industry? Yes.
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But, much like the push over several decades to get more women into higher education, there's been an over-correction

So men's complaints are completely justified but they're still wrong because... reasons.
 
Its worse than that, they've drunk the kool-aid to the point where they actively pathologize anything men like: military fiction, high adventure, beautiful women, etc. And they give prizes and contracts based on that.
Echo Chamberlin has put out a couple of good videos about this lately. In his post recent one he gives a synopsis of the winning entries in a particular writing contest and it's literally the same story over and over again: BIPOC female alphabet person writing about being a BIPOC alphabet person.
Reading his other posts, it seems like he's oblivious and has not actually tried to get anything published in the past few years. There are some very easy experiments you can do at home that demonstrate, irrefutably, that you have an 800% higher chance of receiving call-backs from major publishers if you're a woman of color vs. the people who actually historically contributed the most to literature.
 
Its worse than that, they've drunk the kool-aid to the point where they actively pathologize anything men like: military fiction, high adventure, beautiful women, etc. And they give prizes and contracts based on that.
Echo Chamberlin has put out a couple of good videos about this lately. In his post recent one he gives a synopsis of the winning entries in a particular writing contest and it's literally the same story over and over again: BIPOC female alphabet person writing about being a BIPOC alphabet person
It's sad man. Sad and pathetic. In their quest for the ultimate alphabet author, they cast aside literally anyone that might have a story that could appeal to those groups. I find it offensive really that they think women can't enjoy science fiction as it's meant to be written. It implies that genres MUST stay in their box and shall never mix. We cannot have a story that appeals to everyone, fuck that, only to THE MESSAGE TM.
 
Reading his other posts, it seems like he's oblivious and has not actually tried to get anything published in the past few years. There are some very easy experiments you can do at home that demonstrate, irrefutably, that you have an 800% higher chance of receiving call-backs from major publishers if you're a woman of color vs. the people who actually historically contributed the most to literature.
Sorry, I'm unclear on who "he" is in the first sentence.

That said, do you think it's possible to Sokal hoax this? Maybe have Steven Crowder resurrect his Sea Mathis (they/them) character and have her rewrite "Fatness as Self-Care in the Time of Trump" as a novel
 
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Sorry, I'm unclear on who "he" is in the first sentence.

That said, do you think it's possible to Sokal hoax this? Maybe have Steven Crowder resurrect his Sea Mathis (they/them) character and have her rewrite "Fatness as Self-Care in the Time of Trump" as a novel
Not exactly what you're looking for, but the JT LeRoy hoax is close.

How many rejection letters have you had? Just asking.
Several dozen, all from SF magazines and online publications. I gave up on it a few years ago, when it became clear that the only new writers they were interested in were "marginalized."

What really bothers me is that my very first short story got the almost-but-not-quite rejection letter from Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction not long before C. C. Finlay retired. It was a form rejection, but one that Finlay himself described as meaning:
Look, you’re probably a pro. This is a good story. You know it’s good. You’re probably going to sell it elsewhere. Maybe I can tell you the idiosyncratic reasons why it didn’t make me all hot and tingly so that I can’t stop thinking about it day and night, night and day. Maybe I did. But either way, you probably don’t care. It’s a no. You’ve already got your next market lined up and you’re ready to send it out again. AS YOU SHOULD."
 
Several dozen, all from SF magazines and online publications. I gave up on it a few years ago, when it became clear that the only new writers they were interested in were "marginalized."

What really bothers me is that my very first short story got the almost-but-not-quite rejection letter from Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction not long before C. C. Finlay retired. It was a form rejection, but one that Finlay himself described as meaning:
That's one of the nicest rejections I've seen. Nevertheless. You know there's a problem. Yet you refuse to acknowledge it. You shift the blame to men when it's obvious that it's the mongolids in charge of publishing that are the problem.
 
What really bothers me is that my very first short story got the almost-but-not-quite rejection letter from Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction not long before C. C. Finlay retired. It was a form rejection, but one that Finlay himself described as meaning:
Hey I got a rejection letter from them too! lol

(Alas, robots are not seen as marginalized enough yet. We're still waiting for Robo Lincoln to free us.)
 
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