YABookgate

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

And that's because there's very little demand from them to begin with. It's dumb to invest in a market that's ignoring you already when you could make much more from a market that does care about you.

There's little demand because what little boys do read has been filtered through overly female teachers and parents. When was the last time a little boy was handed Conan the Barbarian by a teacher? A female teacher no less.

No matter how many passionate people are in there, they'll gladly pass up the next Lovecraft for the same slop they know will sell. Maybe this wouldn't be an issue if there were no ebooks.

Lovecraft is slop. He wrote for the pulps. Literally named that for the cheap paper they were printed on.

I have never seen this problem in academia.

You are literally blind as a bat then.

"Woke" is only a thing because of profit.

Woke doesn't sell, woke goes out of business. Go woke, go broke is a saying for a reason.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Setting aside the point others have made that publishers rely on their back catalogues, publishers do seem to prop up a bunch of unpopular "prestige" books or crap like Lindsay Ellis's novel, which, if I recall, sold an abysmal amount but got on the NYT "Bestseller" list.

It's always funny hearing the billionth NPC Strawman line about how noone respects women-written SF and then I point out Mary Shelley, C. L. Moore, Leigh Brackett, Andre Norton, James Tiptree Jr., Ursula K. le Guin, Judith Merrill, Octavia Butler, Joanna Russ, Miriam Allen deFord, etc. There's venerable and respectable names from every generation of SF, of nearly every type of SF. Hell, there's the wives of famous SF authors that got co-author status like Janet Asimov or Katherine de Camp or Karen Anderson. It's like all this weird indoctrination exists as some kind of halfassed attempt to "own" men.

Nowadays everything's about a "milestone" for status like it's some retarded attempt at overcorrection. What's sad is that, ultimately, the good stuff's gonna prove itself and the forced stuff's gonna likely fade; but the diamonds in the rough will get passed over. Potentially good writers that need training and experience will get stiffed because they're not fitting the label.

As much as I dislike Larry Correia, he regularly points out that he sells far more books than a lot of the SF/F award winner types. I'd love to see BookScan numbers for his book alongside something by the likes of N. K. Jemisin.

I don't have any opinions on him, but I believe it. There were plenty of older SF/F writers that sold far more than the average award winner type. I mean, you have your Asimovs and Harrisons and Silverbergs and Andersons who were all extremely prolific and pumped out stuff regularly. Hell, Alan Dean Foster and Gordon Dickson aren't exactly literary masters with shitloads of awards (they're still perfectly enjoyable writers for a reason) but it seems they sold shitloads back in the 70s-90s and their work's still readily available on ebook or cheaply on the second-hand market.

Fuck me I'll bet one of the lower end (not Asimov, Heinlein, le Guin, etc but also not someone as forgotten as William Tenn or Cordwainer Smith) A-listers like Poul Anderson or Robert Silverberg or Larry Niven from the 50s-80s still outsells some of these modern Award-winner types just through ebook sales alone. Fucking David Weber probably outsells them and he seems like he's got a foot in the coffin.

I haven't paid very close attention. Did USAID give money to publishers and game studios? Where did you hear this?

one of the topical threads (Politics? Or something else in the thunderdome) has posts showing all the uncovered shit that USAID and other "funny money" sources were going to all sorts of weird shitlib progressive things like transgender comics in Peru or Atheism in Nepal. It also showed some sources on paying Politco to push the gamergate shit and on paying game studios and etc.

There's little demand because what little boys do read has been filtered through overly female teachers and parents. When was the last time a little boy was handed Conan the Barbarian by a teacher? A female teacher no less.

Hell, they don't even let them read traditional boys stories anymore in the more retardedly woke places. Imagine not being allowed to read Treasure Island.

Lovecraft is slop. He wrote for the pulps. Literally named that for the cheap paper they were printed on.

I think Space Police is trying to make a point that's pretty outdated at best. Also, ebooks as a problem? Lmao.

Your literally blind as a bat.

Retard or Troll? Call it.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Retard or Troll? Call it.

Seen too many of her posts for her to just be a troll. Had her neg rate too many of many of my posts to be a troll. Some people literally do believe there isn't a problem.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Seen too many of her posts for her to just be a troll. Had her neg rate too many of many of my posts to be a troll. Some people literally do believe there isn't a problem.

Space Police is a Indian man who is 99.9% homosexual, hate to break it to you.

Maybe the Internet has desensitized me, but I didn't detect rudeness so much as a bit of defensiveness, presumably at the impression of being misread. It's all good, man. I know as well as anyone how hard it is to bear in mind that there's a person behind the avatar.

Thanks bro

 

[Raconteur Press]

I haven't paid very close attention. Did USAID give money to publishers and game studios? Where did you hear this?

No. They gave money to journalists covering Gamergate, but the only games they funded were three mobile games in 2012, as revealed by Nichegamer:

https://nichegamer.com/usaid-funded-several-mobile-games-in-2012/

 

[Space Police]

The Sokal Hoax and Grievance Studies Affair demonstrated this to be not the case.

Those cases only apply to gender/race studies, which isn't representative of the rest of academia. Gender/race studies are all about deconstructing social norms and listening to weird, experimental ideas -- admittedly this attracts bad actors who try to normalize stuff like BDSM -- but most people don't understand those fields. It's easy to dismiss Judith Butler's work, for example, as nonsensical word salad (which it is), but it's another thing to try to understand it and come to that conclusion. And obviously a white man won't have much important to say about the oppression faced by black people or women.

Star Wars is by far the most glaring obvious example where they have been aiming for (apparently) the black lesbian market instead of the billions of males (and MANY straight women) who have loved it for decades.

The problems with Star Wars are because they picked two hacks (JJ Abrams and Dave Furloni) to lead. These hacks were picked because they're what the loudest parts of the male fanbase at the time (Reddit Letter Media fans and Clone Wars fanboys) asked for. The female characters and whatnot are crumbs they're throwing to try to get a Tumblr fanbase (though whining about Ahsoka's prominence being #girlpower is dumb because Furloni's autism is behind that decision). Stop listening to grifting hacks who want you to think Disney is personally against you (most of the anti-woke media grifters would have been whining about George Lucas raping their childhood if they were 20 years older) and think about this critically.

I'm not tempted to read any more. Cutting off one of the two genders because "Why would a man ever care about books?" is a top contender for dumbest thing I've read on this website.

Read the post again. I'm not advocating for cutting off a gender; I'm saying what's happening in real time. I think it's a bad thing men aren't reading; we're going to get a bunch of guys who have dementia by age 70 (they say reading is the best way to prevent dementia, along with IRL socialization).

There's little demand because what little boys do read has been filtered through overly female teachers and parents. When was the last time a little boy was handed Conan the Barbarian by a teacher? A female teacher no less.

Conan the Barbarian is a little too violent and scary for young boys. There's still a ton of cool and/or funny stuff for young boys. I didn't care at all about the gender of the author or the protagonist at that age; it was a pointless name on the cover to me. I loved stuff like The City of Ember and A Wrinkle in Time because they were cool.

Lovecraft is slop. He wrote for the pulps. Literally named that for the cheap paper they were printed on.

That doesn't make him bad.

Hell, they don't even let them read traditional boys stories anymore in the more retardedly woke places. Imagine not being allowed to read Treasure Island.

Treasure Island is still required reading in lots of places; I doubt they'd outright prevent boys from reading it.

Space Police is a Indian man who is 99.9% homosexual, hate to break it to you.

Seen too many of her posts for her to just be a troll.

>if you disagree with me you aren't part of the same demographics as me in any way
Holy Reddit

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

And obviously a white man won't have much important to say about the oppression faced by black people or women.

Im sure the crushing pain of being shoved to the front of every line and given open ended social license for rudeness is truly a gnostic phenomenon.

Those cases only apply to gender/race studies, which isn't representative of the rest of academia.

Sokal's article was literally titled "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity." And we've had the entire replication crisis between then and now. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Midwit]

The problems with Star Wars are because they picked two hacks (JJ Abrams and Dave Furloni) to lead. These hacks were picked because they're what the loudest parts of the male fanbase at the time (Reddit Letter Media fans and Clone Wars fanboys) asked for. The female characters and whatnot are crumbs they're throwing to try to get a Tumblr fanbase (though whining about Ahsoka's prominence being #girlpower is dumb because Furloni's autism is behind that decision). Stop listening to grifting hacks who want you to think Disney is personally against you (most of the anti-woke media grifters would have been whining about George Lucas raping their childhood if they were 20 years older) and think about this critically.

The sequel trilogy turned a space opera (male genre) into a YA dystopia (female genre) complete with a bad boy who's vaugely redeemable whilst leaving all the things that guys would care about (worldbuilding, sensical plots, side characters that actually have a point) behind and you still say that they were giving "crumbs" to the tumblr audience? Hundreds of millions of dollars, possibly even billions, were spent trying to rework the franchise into something that girls would like and it predictably didn't work and now it has a permanent black mark that's dragging it down to this day.

 

[Fandom Pulse]

Dunno how big of a deal it was - but it was one of my favorite story magazines out there. I think I still have a big stack of issues. I was subscribed for awhile.

The editor of F&SF reitred. They gave it to a diversity hire black woman who does like afro-future-queen anthologies as a grift. She immediately stopped publishing it and only has come out with one issue in a year and a half and it's full of they/them shit now. Another staple destroyed.

 

[Flexo]

The problems with Star Wars are because they picked two hacks (JJ Abrams and Dave Furloni) to lead. These hacks were picked because they're what the loudest parts of the male fanbase at the time (Reddit Letter Media fans and Clone Wars fanboys) asked for. The female characters and whatnot are crumbs they're throwing to try to get a Tumblr fanbase (though whining about Ahsoka's prominence being #girlpower is dumb because Furloni's autism is behind that decision). Stop listening to grifting hacks who want you to think Disney is personally against you (most of the anti-woke media grifters would have been whining about George Lucas raping their childhood if they were 20 years older) and think about this critically.

Did you come up with that all on your own or download a script from the NPC database?

I like how you call it "crumbs" despite them being the main leads for literally the first 3 films released, and at this point most of the TV shows had shifted to female focus. Mandalorian became more about Bo Katan in S3. Reva was more of a star in Kenobi than Ben. Boba Fett barely held onto the lead though all of his sidekicks were female and constantly showing him up. Ashoka just literally had all the women of Rebels while the male cast was in another galaxy. (We had 1 male bad guy.) The Acolyte was literally a lesbian fantasy wank fest (as well as admitting in an interview "woman kills man - woman most affected."). Skeleton Crew and Andor at least were the best so far with ensemble casts. (Andor is a bit more focused on the titular character but 3 female characters have their own plotlines and arcs running concurrently on both the good and bad guy sides.)

That's before we even get into them literally releasing a girl-oriented toy line called "Forces of Destiny."


I'm old enough to have seen your whole "that's not happening and it's a good thing when it does" cycle several times by now. Just stop, nobody is buying the act any more.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

I have never seen this problem in academia.

Where do you study/work? University of Kabul then PhD at Tehran?

Conan the Barbarian is a little too violent and scary for young boys.

What now? Early teens devour Conan. I'm starting to think that you're talking out of your ass.

I like how you call it "crumbs" despite them being the main leads for literally the first 3 films released, and <snip>

That was horrifically informative. Growing up with the first three films and the books, I haven't seen much of the 'new' stuff. I tried the first one of the second trilogy (JarJar) and noped out and the first one of the new wave (Brit stormtrooper) and felt no compunction to continue. Looks like I was accidentally wise in my choice.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Where do you study/work? University of Kabul then PhD at Tehran?


What now? Early teens devour Conan. I'm starting to think that you're talking out of your ass.


That was horrifically informative. Growing up with the first three films and the books, I haven't seen much of the 'new' stuff. I tried the first one of the second trilogy (JarJar) and noped out and the first one of the new wave (Brit stormtrooper) and felt no compunction to continue. Looks like I was accidentally wise in my choice.

this has to be a femcel because there's very few males I'm aware of that say no to reading Conan unless they're absolutely fucking brainwashed into believing it's a brutal masculine rapefest.

 

[WelperHelper99]

this has to be a femcel because there's very few males I'm aware of that say no to reading Conan unless they're absolutely fucking brainwashed into believing it's a brutal masculine rapefest.

Again, no, he's a autistic Jeet that hates all forms of romance, masculinity, and is most certainly gay

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Again, no, he's a autistic Jeet that hates all forms of romance, masculinity, and is most certainly gay

must be that brahmin verbal IQ

 

[Henri Barbusse]

Paper is forever.

It's not forever, especially if you're just a normal person without access to precise environment control, but it'll usually last a literal lifetime which is enough. There's a reason why libraries and archives employ mycologists.

IIRC, there was a scandal at the British Library because it destroyed some 19th century newspapers in the 1980s after they were transferred to microfiche. They had a reason for that, since 19th century newspapers had such low-quality paper it was falling apart. Kind of like penny dreadfuls and pulps. A lot of penny dreadfuls did not survive since all the copies were read until they literally fell apart. It's part of the reason why early 20th century British priest/occultist Montague Summers believed that Varney the Vampire was a factual account, since the only surviving copy was in the British Library.

There are a lot of women who are simply incapable of recognizing the women who came before them. The moment she said "it's their only recourse in this situation" was the moment she announced she is one of those. Doesn't matter how much evidence you show them of women before their time. It goes in one ear, and out the other. She even thinks the video game, and movie industries haven't their own fair share of women. Or that those industries still cater to the male audience, if they ever did.

Virginia Woolf's "Room of One's Own" is the epitome of this, since it's just a huge whinefest by an upper class women that she can't write properly because she has to take care of the household (read: give instructions to the staff). Completely ignoring all the women before her who wrote for a living or managed to write while doing a shitload of other things. Charlotte M. Yonge comes to mind as a women who wrote a lot and was generally active in various public activities. But their writing did not meet the standards of a snobbish upper class Englishwoman, so it's not real.
Not to mention that there's male writers who managed to write while also having a serious, responsible job. Anthony Trollope had a hand in reforming the English postal system and a lot of his works were at least partially written in 19th century railway carriages. (Trollope's autobiography also caused a scandal, since he went into detail about how much he was paid and how much his books sold) Prosper Merimée managed to write and also establish the system for protecting historical heritage in the entirety of France.

I know as well as anyone how hard it is to bear in mind that there's a person behind the avatar.

Wait a minute! You don't even have a proper avatar! (just kidding)

 

[Boston Brand]

Setting aside the point others have made that publishers rely on their back catalogues, publishers do seem to prop up a bunch of unpopular "prestige" books or crap like Lindsay Ellis's novel, which, if I recall, sold an abysmal amount but got on the NYT "Bestseller" list.

As much as I dislike Larry Correia, he regularly points out that he sells far more books than a lot of the SF/F award winner types. I'd love to see BookScan numbers for his book alongside something by the likes of N. K. Jemisin.



I haven't paid very close attention. Did USAID give money to publishers and game studios? Where did you hear this?

I actually posted both Larry and Jemisin's numbers somewhere on here.

Larry outsells her by an order of magnitude, and that's with an industry industrywide excommunication order on him.

He has between 2-3 million total sales over his career. The big surprise for me being his best work, the Forgotten Warrior Saga, is his worst performing series commercially. Maybe that changes now that it's complete.

Even with what is it now, five Hugo Awards? Jemisin has yet to break one million sales, and around 80 percent of her sales are her Broken Earth novels, which I wager depends on every library on Earth buying copies when it became the first ever three-time Hugo winner.

Her most recent series, the one where muktiracial queer personifications of the five boroughs of New York fight HP Lovecraft or some shit, underperformed to the point the publisher cut it from a trilogy to a duo duology. 60k sales book one, 20k sales book 2. You can't find them now without a markdown sticker on them.

 

[Fandom Pulse]

He has between 2-3 million total sales over his career. The big surprise for me being his best work, the Forgotten Warrior Saga, is his worst performing series commercially. Maybe that changes now that it's complete.

That's really sad because The Forgotten Warrior Saga is an order of magnitude better than MHI which is kinda generic.

 

[Flexo]

That's really sad because The Forgotten Warrior Saga is an order of magnitude better than MHI which is kinda generic.

Seconded. I've been loving TFW and doing my part to purchase the books! (Well, the printing versions that match the earlier copies I got - I can't stand to have mismatched books of a series on my shelf.)

 

[PaleTay]

There's little demand because what little boys do read has been filtered through overly female teachers and parents. When was the last time a little boy was handed Conan the Barbarian by a teacher? A female teacher no less.

I think there's more to it than that. Western literature and especially modern editors and authors don't let you explore and in fact actively discourage it in favor of a pretty basic structure with different settings and characters. It feels like they decided every book has to be able to be converted into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Young boys gravitated to video games, anime, and manga because it lets you explore a story. Sometimes it's nice when nothing happens except some worldbuilding or character development, or the MC isn't strong enough to play an active role in the big battle. It feels like most books aim to rush through the story and railroad their characters without much subtlety or nuance.

 

[Glory To Arztotska]

Her most recent series, the one where muktiracial queer personifications of the five boroughs of New York fight HP Lovecraft or some shit, underperformed to the point the publisher cut it from a trilogy to a duo duology. 60k sales book one, 20k sales book 2. You can't find them now without a markdown sticker on them.

Okay, normally I dislike use of the N-word out of respect for many wonderful African-American acquaintances I have known over the years.

But this paint-huffing bitch? i think she is a full-blown 100% USDA-certified grade-A DUMBASS NIGGERFAGGOT BITCH.

The sad part is the story idea sounds kinda neat but I'm not gonna waste time or energy buying and reading something from someone who at best would never give a rat's ass about me and at worst call me a MAGAtard or whatever if I criticized her.

Glad to see despite his setbacks Larry is selling great though.