Debate @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST on the slippery slope of making loli porn illegal - At the user's own request.

They're waiting for some slip-up or self-own because they aren't going to win the big internet fight through reasonable discussion of this topic.
Speak for yourself, retard.

and the day I see any of them wearing a modern Sonic shirt I'm going to beat their ass in a cornfield.
Ah, yes, I forgot you have the Shinigami eyes of "seeing which people in public have Kiwifarms accounts".

You know what, just for that, I ought to look up some cheap, modern Sonic shirt to wear out in public and we'll see just how long it takes for your limp-wristed ass to drag me to a cornfield.
 
That doesn't really make sense because it conflates speech with physical actions that directly harm others.
why do you believe that banning fistfights will not lead to banning hugging but banning child porn will lead to... something bad(?) why is the slippery slope argument acceptable in cases where you want it to be and not the case i proposed?

create a precedent that allows the government to ban content you don’t like, you better be prepared for when they use that same power against things you do like.
competing for control of the law and therefore society is the definition of political engagement. i am aware. that is the point of it.
 
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So the government gets to decide what kind of drawings are acceptable based on taste? That's the whole point of the slippery slope argument. Today, it’s "obviously le bad" drawings, tomorrow it’s whatever else they decide is too offensive. The second you let them pick and choose, free speech stops being free.
if the government decides that lolicon is illegal nationwide, then it's one thing I can say the government did right.
 
So the government gets to decide what kind of drawings are acceptable based on taste? That's the whole point of the slippery slope argument. Today, it’s "obviously le bad" drawings, tomorrow it’s whatever else they decide is too offensive. The second you let them pick and choose, free speech stops being free.
That's what courts and juries are for and always have been. To decide if a case of obscenity fits the law or not. The "I know it when I see it" test is frightingly effective in all the right ways
 
The "taste" in question is depictions of minors engaging in sexual conduct without any literary, artistic, historical, educational, or scientific merit, by the way.
In other words, anything but PORN. Specifically underage PORN
you know, it's been pretty interesting seeing these "people" die on the "lolicon is free speech" hill
 
Thread's gone on long enough most of the shitters shot their load.

The problem with obscenity laws is that they're subjective, and the problem with any subjective law is that as politics changes, Judges will abuse the fuck out of it. If Texas managed to actually define and pin down and frame in porn as porn and only that, great, but I've yet to see anyone not make an exploitable subjective law.
 
I don't understand the freeze peach argument here. What speech other than posting lewd drawings of children is impeded and why is this a bad thing?
If you think banning one type of drawing is where it stops, you're being naive. Laws that criminalize fiction based on moral panic set a precedent for broader censorship. Once you let the government decide which 'offensive' speech is too dangerous to exist, don't be surprised when they expand that power to things you do care about.

why do you believe that banning fistfights will not lead to banning hugging but banning child porn will lead to... something bad(?) why is the slippery slope argument acceptable in cases where you want it to be and not the case i proposed?


competing for control of the law and therefore society is the definition of political engagement. i am aware. that is the point of it.
The difference is intent and precedent. Banning fistfights isn’t about criminalizing all physical contact, it’s about preventing bodily harm. But banning lolicon isn’t stopping any real harm, it's criminalizing fiction, which opens the door for any 'offensive' media to be banned under the same logic. The slippery slope here is real, governments already abuse 'protecting children' as an excuse for mass surveillance and speech restrictions. Meanwhile, nobody's arguing that banning boxing will somehow outlaw high fives.

if the government decides that lolicon is illegal nationwide, then it's one thing I can say the government did right.
Then just say that, you're fine with the government policing what people can draw. Hope you’re just as enthusiastic when they decide to ban edgy humor, violent video games, or whatever else some future moral crusader decides is dangerous. You don’t get to pick and choose which freedoms are okay to sacrifice.

The "taste" in question is depictions of minors engaging in sexual conduct without any literary, artistic, historical, educational, or scientific merit, by the way.
Anybody can make this agrument about why any piece of media that isn't 100% postive should be banned.
 
The difference is intent and precedent. Banning fistfights isn’t about criminalizing all physical contact, it’s about preventing bodily harm. But banning lolicon isn’t stopping any real harm, it's criminalizing fiction, which opens the door for any 'offensive' media to be banned under the same logic. The slippery slope here is real, governments already abuse 'protecting children' as an excuse for mass surveillance and speech restrictions. Meanwhile, nobody's arguing that banning boxing will somehow outlaw high fives.
The difference is that pornsick men who masturbate to lolicon are pedophiles, and will probably rape children. So yes it does stop real harm.
 
Then just say that, you're fine with the government policing what people can draw. Hope you’re just as enthusiastic when they decide to ban edgy humor, violent video games, or whatever else some future moral crusader decides is dangerous. You don’t get to pick and choose which freedoms are okay to sacrifice.
I've been saying it for the past 16 pages. I'll be waiting for when the government decides to go rogue against its own people. So, you can jerk off to your underaged body pillows.

Anybody can make this agrument about why any piece of media that isn't 100% postive should be banned.
nigga we're talking about lolicon.
But banning lolicon isn’t stopping any real harm, it's criminalizing fiction,
lol the "lolicon isn't real" defense

governments already abuse 'protecting children' as an excuse for mass surveillance and speech restrictions.
yes, in the UK. not trump's America

Meanwhile, nobody's arguing that banning boxing will somehow outlaw high fives.
this is a retarded comparison
 
The problem with obscenity laws is that they're subjective, and the problem with any subjective law is that as politics changes, Judges will abuse the fuck out of it.
That remains to be seen in this case. As I've said previously, the law is generally enforced based on interpretation by a given judge.

If Texas managed to actually define and pin down and frame in porn as porn and only that, great, but I've yet to see anyone not make an exploitable subjective
That's also why I've repeatedly said that this bill doesn't matter until something actually happens from it.

Let's have a little thought exercise here for just a moment, and this is for everyone that's been trying to make a case about "government overreach" – not specifically you, the person I'm directly replying to.

Say we do happen to get a case where this bill comes into play. If nothing ends up coming from it either way, great. You people will have sneeded for nothing.

If something DOES happen and further internet crackdowns start taking place, what will you have done to stop it? Shouting at other users on the relatively obscure, internet gossip website about how they're stupid and wrong for being glad that this bill has gone into effect and is producing results?

Maybe instead of your retarded, incredibly slacktivist approach, you could actually be doing something to challenge the bill. Write your senators, your congressmen. Vote accordingly in local elections and such. Let your voice be heard outside of the Farms and within your community.
 
Why not just leave the thread then? You're saying that they are waiting for you to slip up so they can get a gotcha moment, so why not just make one final post saying that you aren't into lolicon but you believe it's a free speech issue and you won't be discussing the matter anymore.

It would be the best solution for you and the only reason I can think that someone wouldn't do that at least 10 pages ago is that they're clinically retarded or have a vested interested in lolicon not being considered pedophilia.
I might be retarded, but I'm also only looking at this thread at this point when someone I haven't Ignored (like you) quotes me in it. I have this hope that someone posting here will have an intelligent opinion on the thread's subject.
 
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