Debate @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST on the slippery slope of making loli porn illegal - At the user's own request.

[Osama Bin Laden]

Come on, man. The article mentions software that can be used to strip copy protection from DVDs, for example.

What does this have to do with AI CSAM, lolicon, or CSAM is question everyone is asking

 

[FuluFuckwit]

"But the government shouldn't get to decide what that context and intent is!"

And a known gathering of actual pedophiles should? How about when the average normie sees it and recoils in disgust because most people generally find the depiction of child sex and/or mutilation obscene and reprehensible?

Or are they wrong too because they "just don't get it, man"? If society should be the one to decide context and intent, then which part of society's input should be considered valid?

I hope lolicons get the bullet for fetishizing what should be treated as disgusting and depraved.

 

[Pro-Islam = Anti-Woman]

Come on, man. The article mentions software that can be used to strip copy protection from DVDs, for example.

Yeah but that's not illegal software, you wouldn't get arrested for having it on your computer, it's what you do with it

 

[Not 6 Foot]

"But the government shouldn't get to decide what that context and intent is!"

And a known gathering of actual pedophiles should? How about when the average normie sees it and recoils in disgust because most people generally find the depiction of child sex and/or mutilation obscene and reprehensible?

Or are they wrong too because they "just don't get it, man"? If society should be the one to decide context and intent, then which part of society's input should be considered valid?

I think, personally, that some things have an inherent implication to them, such as drawn rule 34 of some minor (in age) character from a non-sexual tv show you watched as a kid.
There was no sexualization, to begin with, and you purposefully went out of your way to do it.

People are never going to 100% agree on what is or isn't glorifying certain things, but there are plenty of cases where it's blatant. Like, say, Shadman.

 

[Gravemind]

Like, is there even any illegal software in the first place?

There is, and there are even illegal numbers. Shall I collect examples?

In fairness, he did answer this specific question about both illegal software existing, as well as offered his own examples specifically about illegal numbers.

All of which is completely off-track about the slippery slope of making loli porn illegal and irrelevant. At worst, you could consider it a distraction.

 

[Gravemind]

I hope lolicons get the bullet for fetishizing what should be treated as disgusting and depraved.

For the record, I was just using your reply as a talking point and those questions weren't intended for you specifically. I agree with what you're saying.

People are never going to 100% agree on what is or isn't glorifying certain things, but there are plenty of cases where it's blatant. Like, say, Shadman.

And yet (and I say this without having ever been in any threads or discussions made about him), I'm sure there's plenty of people who would debate the legitimacy of Shadman's content purely on the grounds of, "It's all a parody!" while completely ignoring everything else about his circumstances.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

What does this have to do with AI CSAM, lolicon, or CSAM is question everyone is asking

I like how @Gravemind put it. The progression was "AI" models not under corporate control, comparing it to drawing tools, asking if any software is even illegal, followed by my references.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I was addressing the point about illegal software.

Software is a product no different than anything else. It can be banned. Get over it.

 

[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

Come on, man. The article mentions software that can be used to strip copy protection from DVDs, for example.

I understand your concerns about overreach - I'm a gun owner, I sort of have to lol. Still, can you not see that there's a huge difference between cracking copy protection on dvds and video games and ai generating child porn? The government isn't going to ban ALL open source software because they passed an anti-CP AI regulation law. Doing so would constitute a severe violation of the 1st amendment and would most definitely result in a supreme court case.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

And yet (and I say this without having ever been in any threads or discussions made about him), I'm sure there's plenty of people who would debate the legitimacy of Shadman's content purely on the grounds of, "It's all a parody!" while completely ignoring everything else about his circumstances.

As someone who followed the Shadman drama at the time, a lot of the excuses for Shadman's art is a lot similar to the pedophiles in this thread. Shadman is simply just drawing art man, and it's like against freedom of speech if you ban it.

It's actually an American right to draw Keemstar's step daughter getting fucked by Donald Trump

I understand your concerns about overreach - I'm a gun owner, I sort of have to lol. Still, can you not see that there's a huge difference between cracking copy protection on dvds and video games and ai generating child porn? The government isn't going to ban ALL open source software because they passed an anti-CP AI regulation law. Doing so would constitute a severe violation of the 1st amendment and would most definitely result in a supreme court case.

I also enjoy the idea of the American people just not revolting against the government before that happens.

 

[draggs]

There's a reason loli defenders inevitably want to talk about everything except the drawn sexualized images of children they are defending

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

Still, can you not see that there's a huge difference between cracking copy protection on dvds and video games and ai generating child porn?

I certainly can see the difference. I believe it's proper to treat machine-generated CP as real CP. Regardless, it's not proper how the corporations get a pass here, simply because they're too big to know everything they're doing.

The government isn't going to ban ALL open source software because they passed an anti-CP AI regulation law.

It hasn't reached that point, yet, but I think some stuff like this is perhaps laying the foundations.

 

[Rupert Gaynigger]

muh freeze peach

Just a drawing nigger

 

[Not 6 Foot]

And yet (and I say this without having ever been in any threads or discussions made about him), I'm sure there's plenty of people who would debate the legitimacy of Shadman's content purely on the grounds of, "It's all a parody!" while completely ignoring everything else about his circumstances.

You're absolutely right. They would. And they have. We also have to remember that plenty of people defended that movie, Cuties.

The main issue most people face is that drawing Ash Ketchum and Misty having sex isn't inherently harming an actual person so they see nothing wrong or immoral with it. It's not a point entirely without merit, but it opens the door for pedophiles to make art of children and simply claim the child doesn't actually exist so it's fine.

 

[Pro-Islam = Anti-Woman]

I certainly can see the difference. I believe it's proper to treat machine-generated CP as real CP. Regardless, it's not proper how the corporations get a pass here, simply because they're too big to know everything they're doing.

It hasn't reached that point, yet, but I think some stuff like this is perhaps laying the foundations.

Why do you keep talking about corporations. What do they have to do with anything.

 

[Diggus Bickus]

No there's not. Adults are adults, children are children. Do not blur the lines. The only possible exceptions may be one of those people with a rare medical condition that makes them retain a childlike appearance.

No line is being blurred you fucking nigger. You even mention the exceptions that are not the norm that I'm talking about.

Adults are adults, children are children. Do not blur the lines.

Are you retarded? Do you think the definition of a teenager is only fourteen years old and below? No? Then stop saying retarded shit while quoting my post.

Adult legally yet still goes to high school. I'm still going to raise an eyebrow if some fat 40 y/o only chooses to date teenagers fresh out of high school at best.

 

[Raven of the Burning God]

Please, enlighten me as to what value keeping someone else's CSAM might hold for blackmail purposes after destroying and/or reporting the evidence.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. If you've destroyed the evidence, you haven't kept it.

However, if you're the people behind the Maxwell/Epstein organization, you can have your rich retards pass laws that requires everyone else to immediately destroy your blackmail material if it somehow comes to their attention (theoretically it applies to you as well, but the people who would enforce it have children and they know what would happen to them).

If you're using CSAM as blackmail, depending on how this is interpreted in court, I'm reasonably certain you would be held just as accountable as the person who originally created and distributed it

Or if the CSAM you encountered is a video with more than three frames.
Or if you looked at it enough to identify the public figure and compromise their blackmail operation.
Or if they suspect either of those and you won't play ball.

Consider an alternative where CSAM was not uniquely draconianly doubleplus illegal and if a video of a prominent politician skinning and vivisecting a girl ever leaked, it could be immediately and widely shared (censored, in the case of legacy media picking it up) until everyone knew and she could and would be brought to justice and face execution.. That would be a danger to national security.

People who saw such a thing might suddenly take up weight lifting in the basement of a church and accidentally drop a barbell of their face repeatedly in a tragic fatal accident, or be so traumatized by it that they tie their own hands togther and commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head multiple times and then hanging themselves for their family to find.

 

[Chudborean]

Just a drawing nigger
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Of what?

 

[Pro-Islam = Anti-Woman]

Of what?

Uhh let's change the topic to murder or something. Let's not talk about THAT.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

Why do you keep talking about corporations. What do they have to do with anything.

cause he's a skitzo retard