Debate @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST on the slippery slope of making loli porn illegal - At the user's own request.

[lolcow yoghurt]

it's just a drawing. There is no child being abused, no life being irrevocably altered by these acts

People who produce and people who view those drawings are a potential danger to children. All are pedophiles. No normal person is attracted to children. What's so hard to understand here?

 

[Kovachs]

Some retard's retarded interpretation of the Judeo-Christian God and Jesus Christ that he managed to convince a bunch of other retards to adhere that enabled him to practice polygamy or something. Like I said, I don't care.

I love how willfully ignorant you people become when it benefits you. It's so fucking pathetic.

Now, stop shitting on top of the heap of shit that makes up this thread. Or, at the very least, save your spergery for whenever the relevant person you actually want to have your slapfight with is actually online to respond. It'll be funnier.

You think the slapfight is just with that guy, when its not. The slapfight is really with people like you. And its not even about whether lolicon should be banned or about religion.

Throughout this entire thread both you and him have heavily implied, and I'm sure have even outright called, people you personally disagree with pedophiles. This also includes violent threats against people on the basis of being pedophiles.

None of the primary people in this thread, including the individual who the thread was made about, @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST, who are "'lolicon defenders", have, to my knowledge, possessed CSAM. None of them have openly defended and apologized for a pedophilic cult leader.

But now when someone points out that one of your own openly plays an eroge involving what he himself would have to consider CSAM and defends a pedophilic cult leader not just on his wider doctrine but also on the point of people specifically criticizing Joseph Smith for having married a 14 year old girl, then you suddenly expect everyone else to give him the benefit of the doubt - despite his continual deflections and unwillingness to address it. The reason why he doesn't address it? Because it makes him look bad for his gay little friends on a gossip forum, who will sweep for his own behavior if he ignores it or deflects.

That brings us to you, who will sit there and play dumb about what I said to save face. What a pretentious little cabal of faggots, who beat their chest so big and proud while talking from their hugbox. Monkey see monkey do.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

The commie is writing walls of text again because he likes hearing himself talk.

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

it's just a drawing

Of what?

 

[Inco G. Nito]

People who produce and people who view those drawings are a potential danger to children. All are pedophiles. No normal person is attracted to children. What's so hard to understand here?

The production of fictional CSAM requires a pencil, or a digital art program, maybe an AI. The production of actual CSAM requires a child to be violated. How are these equal in severity? Should we just hand out the death sentence for any crime because crime is broadly a bad thing? There is room for the differentiation and nuance between the two of these offenses. But I guess I'm on red team now because I dissented slightly from the correct take, so there can be no discussion, right? There has already been a little 'wink-wink nudge-nudging' that if I don't back down off of this perfectly reasonable hill I'll be considered a pedophile or a lolicon or something. Ridiculous. What does it say about the relative severity of sexually violating an innocent defenseless child that a fucking drawing- not even a drawing of a real person or a depiction of an event that happened in real life is held in the exact same regard? Half the users in the thread are apparently pedophiles now anyway. Might as well call them nazis or groomers or wokists or Jews or grifters or any other manner of term that used to carry meaning but has since eroded into a mean name to call someone you don't like. Think about the real world. Think about logistics, limited resources. Lolicons probably outnumber actual child molesters. You start sounding the alarm bells and siccing police after everyone who dares to drool over a drawing with the same resources that should have been spent chasing after honest-to-god child molesters, they become spread thin. Who benefits? I'd be willing to wager that lolicons outnumber or at least compete in number with actual pedophiles.

And the fact that lolicon means 'Someone who liked loli and might also be a child molester' is proof of this. A child molester isn't a lolicon, that's a pedophile. Lolicons don't molest children, that's what the term pedophile is for. When a lolicon goes after a real kid, they stop being just a lolicon and become a pedophile. But these names don't actually mean anything anymore and the definitions become muddy. The use cases blurred. The mental associations fade. Pedophile should be a visceral term you save for a demon made real. And yet apparently @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST, @Day of the Cope, probably @UERISIMILITUDO are all pedophiles because they had the audacity to disagree with you. Mad at the internet? Mnnnh, yeah. But I've been correct this whole time. Lolicon's bad, but making a distinction between something bad and something completely unacceptable is an important tool to ensure they never blend into one and you lose relativity of just how bad it really is.

@Bay Kemal bro you did not read this whole thing in under a minute since I posted it lmao. Way to prove my point.

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

@Bay Kemal bro you did not read this whole thing in under a minute since posting lmao

It is just a twitter arguement and even after I finished reading it it is still dumb.

If you think about kids in any shape or form while you are jerking off you are a pedo. End of story. Now face the wall.

 

[Gravemind]

You think the slapfight is just with that guy, when its not. The slapfight is really with people like you. And its not even about whether lolicon should be banned or about religion.

Throughout this entire thread both you and him have heavily implied, and I'm sure have even outright called, people you personally disagree with pedophiles. This also includes violent threats against people on the basis of being pedophiles.

Alright. Point to where I've done this.

None of the primary people in this thread, including the individual who the thread was made about, @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST, who are "'lolicon defenders", have, to my knowledge, possessed CSAM. None of them have openly defended and apologized for a pedophilic cult leader.

Ah, so you personally know what's on @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST's hard drive. Please, tell me more about that.

Weird how I haven't defended or apologized for some retarded cult leader either.

But now when someone points out that one of your own

This nigger really thinks I'm in a collective with this guy when we're two individuals who have no interaction with each other outside of public-facing forums like this thread (and I guess, on occasion, in Supporters, but despite the fact that the Spiderman faggots thread isn't exactly open to everyone, nothing's stopping anyone with Supporters from posting what goes on in there. It's happened before in dumber situations).

openly plays an eroge involving what he himself would have to consider CSAM and defends a pedophilic cult leader not just on his wider doctrine but also on the point of people specifically criticizing Joseph Smith for having married a 14 year old girl

I don't know why you're trying so hard to have your personal slapfight with Welper through me. Like I said, you should save it for him.

hen you suddenly expect everyone else to give him the benefit of the doubt - despite his continual deflections and unwillingness to address it.

"I don't care about Welper's personal religion. I will gladly make fun of him as soon as he can be definitively outed as a pedophile himself."
"WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING HIM??"

Dog, it's not that deep. Until he has a meltdown about his own Mormonism, I don't care. It's why I'm telling you to save this spergery for when he's actually on to respond to it.

The reason why he doesn't address it? Because it makes him look bad for his gay little friends on a gossip forum, who will sweep for his own behavior if he ignores it or deflects.

Okay, and that's his problem to deal with. Not mine. Until it becomes a bigger problem that I can sit back and watch.

That brings us to you, who will sit there and play dumb about what I said to save face.

You greatly overestimate just how knowledgeable I am about Mormonism and how willing I am to research Joseph Smith's life just so I can give you some license to sperg out at another user for the nuances of his religion and its formation. I didn't realize you required my personal leave to do so. You seem to be doing just fine having a spergout on your own, so what do you need me to enable you for?

What a pretentious little cabal of faggots, who beat their chest so big and proud while talking from their hugbox.

What hugbox, nigger?

Monkey see monkey do.

 

[macrodegenerate]

The production of fictional CSAM requires a pencil, or a digital art program, maybe an AI. The production of actual CSAM requires a child to be violated. How are these equal in severity? Should we just hand out the death sentence

I would make the argument that generated CSAM is more horrifying. Each image is a stitched together amalgamation of hundreds of images of CSAM used to train the model or Lora used to generate those images. A person who generates new CSAM is fine with hundreds of children being raped as long as they get off.

I would see someone generating CSAM shot before one in possession of the real thing.

 

[lolcow yoghurt]

drool over a drawing

Drool over a drawing... of what exactly?

When a lolicon goes after a real kid, they stop being just a lolicon and become a pedophile

Being attracted to children makes you a pedophile. All lolicons are pedophiles. That's not even up to debate.

Mad at the internet? Mnnnh, yeah.

Says the guy who wrote a whole wall of text to defend lolicons.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

The production of fictional CSAM requires a pencil, or a digital art program, maybe an AI. The production of actual CSAM requires a child to be violated. How are these equal in severity?

why do you faggots want to die on this hill so bad

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

I don't know why you're trying so hard to have your personal slapfight with Welper through me. Like I said, you should save it for him.

There are versions of F/N without hentai in it, and F/N is not a visual novel centered around lolicon. He's just some pseud commie who probably doesn't like the fact Welper isn't an atheist or some retarded commie shit like him. He's the type of retard that probably thinks Umineko is an eroge too. You can safely ignore anything he has to say on the subject. Japan also has different age of consent laws than the US so that's an entirely different discussion. Its also the same reason why its dumb to talk about biblical stuff.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

The sky is blue. Sometimes it's pink. Sometimes it's orange and dark blue. And at the end of the day, loli shit is gross and totally unnecessary.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

defend lolicons

There is room for the differentiation and nuance between the two of these offenses.

I will spell it out in big bold fucking letters so you get it. I am not defending lolicon's legality, nor against this law. Never in this post thread did I state lolicon should be legal. Never in this thread did I state that lolicons are perfectly fine. Never in this thread have I advocated even for this law to be repealed. Unfortunately, in real life, police materiel and time are both limited resources. When you (legally) consider everyone in possession of lolicon to be a pedophile, same as the others. The well of pedophiles has dramatically increased in number while the size of law enforcement has remained constant. Proportionally, people in possession of actual CSAM/Who have produced it by molesting a child are now getting away with it in greater number because most of that well is being watered down. In fact- as I understand it (as vague as it can be) lolicon/shotacon is already supposed to be illegal, though is seldom enforced as is, most likely due to a lack of resources. The charges are usually tacked on alongside other offenses because at this point it's no effort. What I am arguing is that you aren't actually being productive by conducting yourselves in such an absurd and overzealous way. In fact, you're being harmful to your own goals.

why do you faggots want to die on this hill so bad

Because me now being labeled a pedophile

you faggots

Now face the wall.

All lolicons are pedophiles...
...Says the guy who wrote a whole wall of text to defend lolicons.

Is exact proof of the entire point of my post. You don't actually care when you type that out. You don't feel anything. It's meaningless. It carries 0 meaning to any party involved here because it has lost all meaning. Now it's just a sticker to smugly put on the forehead of someone you don't like or who challenges your view, however minutely- As I've learned. More so, this aggressive and over-the-top zealotry sounds like some kind of projection by denunciation. Or at least fear that if there is even any slack in your position that it opens the door to you yourself being considered a pedophile by the rest of the hugbox, which clearly, is not unfounded.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

Because me now being labeled a pedophile

you could've avoided this entire thing if you just didn't respond to the thread

 

[Inco G. Nito]

you could've avoided this entire thing if you just didn't respond to the thread

I like how the implication here is that this thread just exists for one side to call the other pedophiles.

 

[Gravemind]

I will spell it out in big bold fucking letters so you get it. I am not defending lolicon's legality, nor against this law. Never in this post thread did I state lolicon should be legal. Never in this thread did I state that lolicons are perfectly fine. Never in this thread have I advocated even for this law to be repealed. Unfortunately, in real life, police materiel and time are both limited resources. When you (legally) consider everyone in possession of lolicon to be a pedophile, same as the others. The well of pedophiles has dramatically increased in number while the size of law enforcement has remained constant. Proportionally, people in possession of actual CSAM/Who have produced it by molesting a child are now getting away with it in greater number because most of that well is being watered down. In fact- as I understand it (as vague as it can be) lolicon/shotacon is already supposed to be illegal, though is seldom enforced as is, most likely due to a lack of resources. The charges are usually tacked on alongside other offenses because at this point it's no effort. What I am arguing is that you aren't actually being productive by conducting yourselves in such an absurd and overzealous way. In fact, you're being harmful to your own goals.

Arguing this on here isn't any more productive either.

You also seem to be missing the absolutely crucial part where such absurdity and zealotry baits entertaining reactions out of the defenders.

It's not that fucking deep, man. Did you forget where you are?

Is exact proof of the entire point of my post. You don't actually care when you type that out. You don't feel anything. It's meaningless. It carries 0 meaning to any party involved here because it has lost all meaning.

Apparently it carries enough meaning to cajole retards into making walls of text about how meaningless and self-defeating it is.

Now it's just a sticker to smugly put on the forehead of someone you don't like or who challenges your view, however minutely- As I've learned.

Seriously, how much more are you guys gonna make me post this?

More so, this aggressive and over-the-top zealotry sounds like some kind of projection by denunciation. Or at least fear that if there is even any slack in your position that it opens the door to you yourself being considered a pedophile by the rest of the hugbox, which clearly, is not unfounded.

Yeah. It'll be funny when it happens then, too.

I like how the implication here is that this thread just exists for one side to call the other pedophiles.

Oh boy, time for me to explain this again.

This thread exists because one retard couldn't stop being aggressively retarded in shitting up another thread even after being proven wrong repeatedly, then proceeded to get mad when I quoted his retardation in the Supporters thread where we highlight posts from other users that are particularly retarded, told me to make a Mass Debates thread on him, and so I obliged him. Now it's just serving as spillover for all the retards who got the Lolicon/Shotacon Defenders thread locked to have it out here instead.

In fact, if the mods wish to threadban and redirect people here to have their shitfits about the bill, I think that would be something of an ideal solution.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

I like how the implication here is that this thread just exists for one side to call the other pedophiles.

If you defend lolicon, yes you're a pedophile

 

[Kovachs]

I am going to preface this post with a simple TL;DR:

You are right about some things and my opinion of you as an individual has developed, but you seem confused about what exactly I am arguing against or who.

Ah, so you personally know what's on @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST's hard drive. Please, tell me more about that.

Hence why I said "to my knowledge". You don't know either.

Alright. Point to where I've done this.

There are a number of posts where you've heavily implied that people who think that lolicon shouldn't be banned are a pedophile. Honestly you are far more coherent and responsible with your comments than others in the thread. I was pleasantly surprised. It's true that even an autistic individual such as myself can reduce individuals to groups, or vice versa. In this response I am addressing you because of convenience of not sperging out at so many people as to overly burden myself. Nevertheless, you still have engaged in this, even if it is to a lesser degree than certain other people in this thread.

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Spoiler

I don't care lolbert. You defend pedophiles. Face the wall for your lead injection

You gave a "heart" (cute) to this post. I'm sure you gave similar reactions to others calls for violence. I'm not going to quote every single post in this thread.

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Just like how these same people claim to have seen similar laws and bills being "slippery slopes" to abuse of power, I've seen enough cases in just the last few months alone to indicate that anyone who passionately attempts to defend lolicon is more than likely hiding plenty of skeletons in their own closet.

This is clearly implying the person you disagree with is a pedophile.

He can't, because if he gave his honest answer, you'd call him a pedophile.

However, by refraining from answering, he makes himself seem like a pedophile with something to hide anyway, so I don't know what kind of game he thinks he's playing here.

Here you are openly acknowledging how someone arguing against it is being called a pedophile on the basis of arguing against it, with no further proof. I included this because it acknowledges exactly what I am talking about.

For the record, I was just using your reply as a talking point and those questions weren't intended for you specifically. I agree with what you're saying.

Here's where you agree that lolicons should be murdered.

I digress, you get my point.

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This nigger really thinks I'm in a collective with this guy when we're two individuals who have no interaction with each other outside of public-facing forums like this thread (and I guess, on occasion, in Supporters, but despite the fact that the Spiderman faggots thread isn't exactly open to everyone, nothing's stopping anyone with Supporters from posting what goes on in there. It's happened before in dumber situations).

What I'm referring to is a general and informal attitude towards people in this thread who people agree with where they don't push them or press them on their shit. Also, the structure of this site enables and encourages the development of such informal, distributed regimes, through reactions and certain rules governing thread or forum content. There is also a "culture" to the forum which permeates thoroughly, and enables dismissal of anyone newer or who doesn't signal their compliance with group behavior or ideology.

My saying "monkey see monkey do" is what this is reference to. It's literal group think. This is basic psychology. Some of your posts actually literally amount to leveraging a presumed consensus on the site to attack other people's character or to make them feel isolated and alone, rather than their arguments. When there are multiple people who express an opinion contrary to yours, you'll make comments suggesting that now they are becoming braver because of that. You intuitively understand and weaponize this structure, as we all do.

You won't believe that a sustained proponent towards your position within this thread and others is a pedophile despite a higher degree of evidence for being a pedophile as opposed to those accused of being a pedophile in this thread. It is as simple as that. It doesn't require a conspiracy.

You greatly overestimate just how knowledgeable I am about Mormonism and how willing I am to research Joseph Smith's life just so I can give you some license to sperg out at another user for the nuances of his religion and its formation. I didn't realize you required my personal leave to do so. You seem to be doing just fine having a spergout on your own, so what do you need me to enable you for?

It's not anything very deep about Joseph Smith that he married a 14 year old. It is a fact which has been well documented. The reason I responded to you is because you responded to me. Maybe it is unfair to use you.

I don't know why you're trying so hard to have your personal slapfight with Welper through me. Like I said, you should save it for him.

But again, it's not really with any particular individual.

What hugbox, nigger?

There is clearly dogpiling and isolation of anyone in this thread who tries to argue the opposing case to yours, through the aforementioned site features. Very few people on this A&T actually have to challenge their beliefs, unless they go against the prevailing views that have been normalized on the site (which are obviously biased). So-called debates on this site are really echo chambers where some poor soul is dragged out into the street and subjected to a struggle session of dozens of mindless retards pelting them. There is a funneling phenomenon where two sides of an issue will retreat to their respective threads with little actual discourse between the two.

Now, when I was reviewing the thread I noticed that one of them (the accursed "lolicon defenders") had blocked you, which is really pathetic. That was one of the gayest things in this thread, bar none.

 

[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

So-called debates on this site are really echo chambers where some poor soul is dragged out into the street and subjected to a struggle session of dozens of mindless retards pelting them. There is a funneling phenomenon where two sides of an issue will retreat to their respective threads with little actual discourse between the two.

If you believe that to be true, then why even participate - much less write over a dozen paragraphs across multiple posts - in the first place? Seems to me like a tremendous waste of effort on what you consider to be a foregone conclusion already.

 

[Gravemind]

You gave a "heart" (cute) to this post. I'm sure you gave similar reactions to others calls for violence. I'm not going to quote every single post in this thread.

This is clearly implying the person you disagree with is a pedophile.

Alright, retard. Let's break this down for a moment:

First, I'm not talking about anyone specifically there. I'm talking about a general trend I've noticed with various reactions that have been documented in the Loli/Shota Defenders thread over the last few months, particularly since that thread has managed to breach containment and gotten both Twitter niggers and apparently 8chan pedos constantly seething about the fact that the thread exists and is totally running targeted harassment gayops on those poor, persecuted lolicon enjoyers across the internet.

Second, when I say "skeletons in their closet", it can mean a wide range of things. CSAM? Sure. Some of these people have been caught out on it. Could also be any other brand of degenerate porn fetish that is just as worthy of ridicule and disgust.

Here you are openly acknowledging how someone arguing against it is being called a pedophile on the basis of arguing against it, with no further proof. I included this because it acknowledges exactly what I am talking about.

Yes, I am saying what everyone else is thinking in that instance and pointing out how his approach is detrimental to his cause. Boy, you guys are really bad at this whole "nuance" thing when it doesn't involve arguing the validity of loli porn.

Here's where you agree that lolicons should be murdered.

You're mostly wrong. While I would be unbothered by the summary execution of pedophiles, what I was saying I agree with was what @FuluFuckwit originally posted here:

Alright, I'm going to bite this arguments head off like Chronos did with Zeus.
I am not against artwork that depicts any manner of utterly depraved act, and in fact some of the shit that is considered taboo can make for some really good horror content.
I am explicitely against people fetishizing child rape.
I am also against people fetishizing child dismemberment.

CONTEXT MATTERS
INTENT MATTERS

A piece of art have both without it being fetishistic, but the people that get off to that content need to get help from a shrink, God, or a little piece of metal.

Maybe follow the reply chain next time before you start reaching.

What I'm referring to is a general and informal attitude towards people in this thread who people agree with where they don't push them or press them on their shit. Also, the structure of this site enables and encourages the development of such informal, distributed regimes, through reactions and certain rules governing thread or forum content. There is also a "culture" to the forum which permeates thoroughly, and enables dismissal of anyone newer or who doesn't signal their compliance with group behavior or ideology.

My saying "monkey see monkey do" is what this is reference to. It's literal group think. This is basic psychology. Some of your posts actually literally amount to leveraging a presumed consensus on the site to attack other people's character or to make them feel isolated and alone, rather than their arguments. When there are multiple people who express an opinion contrary to yours, you'll make comments suggesting that now they are becoming braver because of that. You intuitively understand and weaponize this structure, as we all do.

So... You acknowledge that a certain community culture has developed and exists among the website, and you even own up to the fact that we all abide by it, and yet it's wrong when I engage in it because you disagree with me.

Nigger, get the fuck over yourself. What even is this faggoty shit about "making people feel isolated and alone"? Are you niggers banding together behind the scenes to fight the evil, no-good, bad, mean, anti-loli bully squad because they said mean things to some of you? Holy shit.

Maybe it is unfair to use you.

No, it's just retarded to argue about Mormonism with me, an acknowledged non-Mormon who has repeatedly told you that I really don't know that much about Mormonism and I don't care, and not the resident Mormon that your arguments and shitflinging are more relevant to.

But again, it's not really with any particular individual.

Except you started this by interrogating me about @WelperHelper99 after I told you to move your spergery about his religion over to his thread that is specifically tailored towards addressing him with regards to his religion, instead of continuing to get off-topic and shit up THIS thread.

There is clearly dogpiling and isolation of anyone in this thread who tries to argue the opposing case to yours, through the aforementioned site features. Very few people on this A&T actually have to challenge their beliefs, unless they go against the prevailing views that have been normalized on the site (which are obviously biased). So-called debates on this site are really echo chambers where some poor soul is dragged out into the street and subjected to a struggle session of dozens of mindless retards pelting them.

Boo-fucking-hoo. Welcome to the Farms, little nigger.

Now, when I was reviewing the thread I noticed that one of them (the accursed "lolicon defenders") had blocked you, which is really pathetic.

Yes, the thread subject himself and catalyst of its creation, @COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST, has Ignored not only me, but bragged about setting everyone else who disagreed with him on Ignore until someone can circlejerk with him about his ideas "can have an intelligent discussion" about the matter in question.