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Based but this sets a REALLY bad precedent if a Democrat wins the next election.
As has been pointed out in the thread many times by now, Trump isn't allowing autopen use for anything touching on the powers of the President, and he's signing such documents in front of witnesses, often on camera. He's covering his ass AND forcing future presidents to match this level of transparency, all while making Biden look like garbage.
 
Can someone explain to me how he can do this from a legal standpoint? Not just he is HMFIC but what the actual process is behind it? I thought the point of a pardon is that it does exactly what it says and you're out scot free.
Realistically it might be a challenge and look at the pardon process.

Because it IS kinda fucked if theres no limits to pardons IIRC. Like they make sense in some context, like the arizona sherrif who combated illegal migrants and got jailed for not following procedure? TOTALLY VALID pardon, but I feel like if you pardon someone, you should at least provide a paragraph WHY. And blanket "just pardon everything in this period" is fucked, like what if hunter biden was caught in 4k having a rape dungeon filled with underage kids during that time but "WOOPS, already pardoned, so nevermind the 1000s of victims like epstiens island, pardoned LOL".

But it also that faggots in this country worship laws more than morals at this point. Don't forget this country was built on breaking laws, terrorism essentially (before we were a nation recognized, the british viewed us as a bunch of ornery rednecks throwing a tantrum, and none of it was "legal" in their eyes, it was assault, murder, theft, and vandalism) and basically committing "hate crimes" against British sympathizers (tarring and feathering and all)

for legal reasons as well, I am not advocating terrorism or hate crimes. Just providing historical context.
 
Technically I don't think he has undone any pardons.
He is not undoing or cancelling any pardons. The entire premise is that the pardons never happened in the first place.

That is a very important distinction.

So essentially we're saying, if an aide signs something without the President's knowledge, and he never realizes it happened, does it have the force of law? Seems like an obvious "no," but then there's the difficult issue of proving it.
 
So....when dems try to have the 2024 election results investigated and it turns out there's no proof of election fraud, what will they do or claim?
 
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I am out of popcorn this man just keeps the lulz going .

Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.
I absolutely don't give a shit I and many others in Europe are grateful that he ended the USA-AIDS programme that shoved down our throats globohomo bs. He also keeps the lulz going and provides endless tears of the privileged insufferable cunts.
 
And of course the media in my country suddenly is no longer speaking a word about Trump because until a day, perhaps only hours ago they were shitting out articles about how Trump is destroying NATO, killing Ukrainians, scamming citizens, destroying the stock market, etc. and the second this drops, nothing... complete silence.

I'm tired of these dishonest, hate inciting fucking rats who only spin every story and happening into a 'why this is actually a bad thing' or 'why this only benefits Trump'

How can people NOT begin to dislike Trump when all the media does is lie about happenings or speak half truths at an unprecedented pace just cause they hate his guts and he actually gets shit done.

Can only hope people start to see through this veil of media bullshit.
 
This may open a big can of worms. I am getting tired of winning

Not opening the can and letting the problem fester will surely make it better though?

If politicians had decided to "open the can" and deport illegals and enforce border policy three decades ago we wouldn't have half the fucking mess that we do now. But no one wanted to open a big can worms then either. If we don't open this can why should we open the Epstein can, the JFK can, or any other can if someone thinks it might be too big?

Rip the lid right off.
 
So essentially we're saying, if an aide signs something without the President's knowledge, and he never realizes it happened, does it have the force of law? Seems like an obvious "no," but then there's the difficult issue of proving it.
Even if he realizes it happens, he can't retroactively agree to it. He has to direct his staff to use the Autopen. (And even that is bullshit. We wouldn't accept a copy/paste signature as a permanent thing. Autopen signatures should be temporary and null and void if not manually signed when the President can actually sign the document.)

The rumor is that staffers have come forward and pinned a specific staffer who was singing stuff that "Biden would support" without ever asking Biden at all. This collaborates previous rumors that this was happening, as @Gehenna pointed out.

No one is going to want to touch this with a 100 foot pole. Which is why when the rumors happened during his admin, they went nowhere. But Trump doesn't care about decorum. They tried to kill him, three times. That we know of. He had to meet with a grieving widow and her children after a firefighter -- an American hero -- took a bullet meant for him, while the Secret Service's token diversity hires let the shooter do it. While the press just happened to be there for the first time in 5 years with 4k ultra hd slow motion cameras designed to capture an assassination attempt in as much gory detail as humanly possible.

He is coming for them. Unless they covered up literally everything they did for the past 8 years, he's going to take vengeance to make sure the next generation of leftists don't try this shit again. And they're not smart enough to cover everything up. They don't even know what bathroom to use.
 
LMAO the middle class voting against their own interests for the sake of owning the sub <<<<1% percent of troons that live in the US isn't a good thing lol

"Criminal gangs running wild and double-digit inflation are in the interests of the middle class" didn't play with the middle class in 1980 or 2024, so maybe you guys should completely drop those parts of your platform and not bring them back ever again.
 
How can people NOT begin to dislike Trump when all the media does is lie about happenings or speak half truths at an unprecedented pace just cause they hate his guts and he actually gets shit done.
I figured this out over 10 years ago when I started to really divulge into any sort of news to...just see what was going on. I wasn't even politically motivated I just started watching the news and saw how bullshit it was. Im not parading myself as some, "I aM ToO SmArT FoR ThE NeWs." type but honest to god if you even do take your job seriously in media you can get very big translation issues and misunderstandings that are borderline criminal. People just want to see and hear what they want to believe and be true instead of what's actually going on.
 
Based but this sets a REALLY bad precedent if a Democrat wins the next election.
I would understand that argument if the Dems hadn't been pulling stunts like spying on the Trump campaign, imprisoning Douglass Mackey, and the Jan 6th kangaroo courts (and let's be real, they were probably behind both assassination attempts).
 
What in the flying fuck...?! I really wonder if Joe Biden himself was the one who told him this because it sure fucking sounds like it was.
While if they have the evidence, Bidens orders or most stuff he signed would come into question lol. I'm pretty sure what Trump is doing is using this as an intimidation tactic. This is gonna go to the courts most likely and the evidence is gonna be laid out. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of whistleblowers come foward. Will be really funny watching the dems squirm. There whole party is getting shit on over and over again the distrust the public has for them is nuts. This will probably be bigger then Watergate if they have the evidence.
 
I know it wont happen, but MAN I wanna see Milley and Fauci thrown to the wolves.
Both millley and fauci are ancient. Fauici is 84 and milley is 66 . Putting them in prison will be just free nursing home care for them. I want them and their families investigated and bankrupted via litigation. There is nothing worse for these scums being poor.
 
I would think the Biden household is in quite the tizzy at the moment.

In a few hours tops the pundits will be beating down their doors for a response to this. And if Biden did indeed not sign these pardons himself, which is likely in my opinion, they really have to be careful with what they say publicly.

If Biden comes out and says that he did indeed sign these pardons and then a few hours later Trump, hopefully, goes public with whatever proof they found well then Biden just committed a purgerery in front of the nation, which is another giant can of worms. So they can't just post a message saying yes everything's 100% legit now fuck off the former PotUS needs his rest without risk.

If Biden says nothing or refuses to talk then shit gets even worse for him as everyone will take that silence as proof positive some staffer did do the needful. Even worse Biden is a potato so if they trott him out in front of the cameras to read out what will have to be a pre-witten statement who knows how it will go over with his mush brain.

All in all a pretty rough situation for the Biden household. no doubt right at this very second every former staffer in the inner circle is desperately asking each other: "what did Trump find?"

Good times! I hope Trump really has proof that Doctor Jill or some other inner circle group was using the auto pen to sign EO's without Bidens knowledge.
 
The only one that doesn't appear to have been done with Autopen is Hunter Biden.
The only one that doesn't appear to have been done with Autopen is Hunter Biden.
Holy shit! Bro really pardoned his son and then laid his sleepy head to rest for a much-needed nap, then a bunch of very bad no-goodniks sneakely-deakelied into the oval office to pardon themselves preemptively!
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The B in Biden isn't looking great, but the guy could clearly still SIGN HIS OWN DAMN SIGNATURE.

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I don't even care if they get away with it. They were already getting away with it! Now, anyone with any common sense at least knows that it happened!

This auto pen shit is reaching Qanon levels of delusional
They are clearly copy and pasted signatures, please see above! I understand that a president has the ability to use an auto pen to sign pardons, but do they? Especially if they have the ability to sign it normally? Seems like a rather fucking important document.

I don't wanna sound like a leftist faggot but do you have any sources for this? specifically so I can use those sources against leftist faggots?
I really wish we could un-faggotize asking for proof.

Given how the Inspectors General didn't find us giving 5 billion dollars to the Starving Albinos of Oingoboingo to teach them Lesbian Interpretive dance from an Neo-Islamic perspective and other insane shit Elon has found just from being "a complete retard looking in with zero knowledge of how things work" he was probably justified in firing those fuckers.
I think it's more likely and more horrifying that the Inspectors General knew about the Lesbian Interpretive Dance classes and approved them, because the paperwork was "technically in order." Don't rock the boat! Keep your cushy government job.

Remember also that when Biden just randomly endorsed Kamala or Resigned over Twitter or whatever that scandal was (there were a lot, I forget now), it was theorized that it was the Sheboon press secretary doing it because she had control over the twitter account and was a Kamala true believer. (And IIRC, the signature on that was clearly not Biden's.) There's a history of Biden being out of the loop of "President Biden's" decisions, statements, and signatures.
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No one inspires fear like a sheboon!
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Shiieeet you betta auto-peeen that pardon, white boy! Y'all theatre keedz need to learn yo place. When a BLAK WOMAN SPEAKS, you LISTEN!
 
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