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Should be a wild four years.

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And was telling people internally that no, the masks don't and won't work while specifically saying the exact opposite of whatever Trump said to do
I still remember when they suddenly pivoted from Masks Don't Work to Masks Mandatory, and one of the explanations going around was, to paraphrase "Oh well we wanted to make sure hospitals could buy up all the masks first so we lied about the effectiveness to avoid a run on them". Everything there stinks.

As for the pardons shit, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, will be curious to see what they back this with. I'm 100% in the camp of "If Biden didn't know and didn't order the pardon, then they're invalid" but proving that is a hell of a hurdle.
 
This is all fucking retarded and a waste of time and taxpayer money. Autopen has been used by Presidents since at least Thomas Jefferson, who was a big fan.
I think his point is that people in the administration were using an autopen to effect their own policy decisions, not that the use of an autopen makes it void. But it is kind of retarded. Trump always says a little too much. Half of these legal challenges to his actions are predicated on something Trump says offhandedly or in addition to the action he takes.
 
Feels a little bit like like one of those "Judge so-and-so has made his ruling, now let him enforce it" type deals. I've obviously been very sceptical of anyone calling Trump fascist, but this would be a big step.

And you know what? I'm also fine with it.
 
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*Checks front page*. We're going to be hearing more about "autopens" in the lyin' MSM than we ever wanted to know. Prepare your autopenis.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/17/trump-biden-pardons-void (archive)
Court precedents suggest Trump was wrong to say a president must personally sign any pardon, reprieve or other act of clemency.

In 1929, the US justice department held that “it is wholly for the president to decide” the method by which a pardon is handed down. Last year, a federal appeals court said presidential pardons do not even have to be in writing.
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Trump’s first term was a mixed bag—he made a lot of noise but didn’t get as much done as his supporters had hoped. I kind of always assumed he was trying to play a bit nicer for a second term. But I think it's wild watching him just go completely apeshit and glass the fucking earth this time around and go for blood after everyone who was fucking around and playing games with him in round one. He got his second term and he doesn't have to worry about reelection anymore. We're gonna see establishment libshits strung up in trees by the end of his fourth year I swear to fucking God.
 
Trump’s first term was a mixed bag—he made a lot of noise but didn’t get as much done as his supporters had hoped. I kind of always assumed he was trying to play a bit nicer for a second term. But I think it's wild watching him just go completely apeshit and glass the fucking earth this time around and go for blood after everyone who was fucking around and playing games with him in round one. He got his second term and he doesn't have to worry about reelection anymore. We're gonna see establishment libshits strung up in trees by the end of his fourth year I swear to fucking God.
A lot of his first term mehness was him assuming he could cut a deal with the dems and the Rinos. Only to learn the dems would fight to the death to oppose him and the Rinos would subvert his good will to get their people into power to stymie him.
 
This is a political move. The pardons will hold up but what this does is let Trump's DOJ lay out in detail all the crimes these people committed and then force the Dems to not only defend them but argue these people must be allowed to get away with it while shining a big spotlight on Biden's mental fitness during the last year.
Its obviously a political move, and not a bad one. Whats the risk, that they call him a tyrant, idiot, or a combination of the above? Send another assassin? No tactic is off the table when your opposition has escalated so far. So whats the benefits? No matter if its Win, Lose or Draw this tactic is worth the effort.

Win - This opens up huge avenues of attack and potential political threat. He doesn't have to actually convict anyone, just the ability to threaten them with it creates a lot of leverage.
Lose - If the Courts start waxing poetically about how these pardons are sacrosanct (because muh Biden) then they're probably going to start talking about the plenary powers of the President. The arguments and logic they use to empower Biden are going to be directly applicable to the court cases Trump is in right now regarding judges trying to infringe on other plenary powers.
Draw - No matter what happens, its going to cause a lot of disruption in the Democratic party, embarrass everyone, drag out a lot of dirty laundry, distract from everything else he is doing, and force the current Democrat opposition to defend these pardons.
 
Retard nigger. He would need to be directing people. This is about people using his signature for things he didn't direct them to sign.
Did you not literally read where I wrote "by directing someone to sign something"? Or how about a little bit later where I wrote:
I think his point is that people in the administration were using an autopen to effect their own policy decisions, not that the use of an autopen makes it void. But it is kind of retarded. Trump always says a little too much. Half of these legal challenges to his actions are predicated on something Trump says offhandedly or in addition to the action he takes.

Learn to read more than 240 characters at a time, retard.
 
Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference.
All biden needs to do is say " I totes approved that...i said the line where's my ice cream?" and it's over.
Biden could just come out and say "Nope, I did it Jack" and that would be that
There was significant legal debate around whether an order or law signed by a device is valid at all, because the Constitution specifically requires the President to sign.

From what I understand, the consensus settled on it being valid if done in his presence and at his direction, purely as a labor saving device, but definitely not if used independently. Given Biden's incoherence and the degree to which Prog string pullers were making decisions, it's almost certain the latter was the case.

Massive massie says we should just let the pirates fuck our ships because of America first or something
He's clearly saying the ships should not be there, because America's job is not to patrol every Third World shithole. Or do you prefer Forever Coast Guard and Forever Police to go with your Forever Wars?
 
I nooooooooticed that not a single leftist rag I follow reported on Trump talking about Biden's pardons yet. Not the Guardian, not the NYT, even on Reddit I saw only a single post with only 4k updoots. You would think it would be a pretty big news, but no, not a single peep.

Really makes the noggin' joggin', doesn't it?
 
But if the pardons were issued without Biden's knowing or approval then they are pretty much a forgery. The President has the power of pardon, not random staffers with an autopen.
I know exactly what you’re saying and what you mean, but the chances of ever proving that is so very slim.

The political class has a very different reality from the rest of us, even the ultra wealthy.. and Biden is both.
 
There was significant legal debate around whether an order or law signed by a device is valid at all, because the Constitution specifically requires the President to sign.

From what I understand, the consensus settled on it being valid if done in his presence and at his direction, purely as a labor saving device, but definitely not if used independently. Given Biden's incoherence and the degree to which Prog string pullers were making decisions, it's almost certain the latter was the case.


He's clearly saying the ships should not be there, because America's job is not to patrol every Third World shithole. Or do you prefer Forever Coast Guard and Forever Police to go with your Forever Wars?
Does it come with forever fries?
 
I know exactly what you’re saying and what you mean, but the chances of ever proving that is so very slim.

The political class has a very different reality from the rest of us, even the ultra wealthy.. and Biden is both.
I don't think anyone is after Biden. It would look terrible to go after a former president even if he went after your first. However, the Jan 6th committe, I think more people would be okay with that than you care to think
 
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