Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[FamicomGorby]

Unless Null directly points passages of interest to Hardin, I don't think it would be worth it. Having Hardin read the book to find anything he could use would rack up billable hours, and probably put Null $2,000 or more in the hole as a result for something that likely wouldn't change anything.

Maybe he could use it as some example of Greer's tendency to blatantly lie.

He wrote an ostensibly "non-fiction" book and yet included a scene where a literal some Puerto-Rican guy came up to him, shoved a gun into his face, pulled the trigger, then told him that there wouldn't be a next time if he didn't drop the lawsuit against Taylor Swift. A scene where he assaulted some random person for telling him he was a moron. Where he apparently drove Skordas' secretary to tears by yelling at them. And of course the part where Ken, who I'm pretty sure is made up, gets fire bombed and horribly burned to the point that he's in the hospital for months.

Actually might be helpful to force the judge to read the book just to see what a fuckin psychopath Greer portrays himself as in it. I don't even think Greer has outright said the book is fake at this point, he just says that the Taylor Swift lawsuit was only for publicity, the complete opposite message in the book.

 

[Allied-Mastercomputer]

Just read the book in its entirety (after purchasing a legal copy of course) on MATI. Highlight certain passages, provide commentary, collect superchats, then forward pertinent passages to Hardin for review with citations.

Unsure of the legal ramifications under the circumstances, but I imagine it’s just like the readings they do at libraries all the time.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

And of course the part where Ken, who I'm pretty sure is made up, gets fire bombed and horribly burned to the point that he's in the hospital for months.

Russ has admitted to making that story entirely up.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Just read the book in its entirety (after purchasing a legal copy of course) on MATI.

Libraries may have agreements or fall under limited exceptions, but MATI has an unrestricted audience, so that falls under "public performance".
Reading an entire book verbatim, regardless of legal purchase or not, is not transformative, and courts tend to rule against fair use claims in cases of full, unaltered reproductions.

Disclaimer: This is current US rules as written, not what I personally advocate for or agree with. In my view, Johm has the right to use force to defend himself against any kind of "intellectual property dispute"

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Maybe he could use it as some example of Greer's tendency to blatantly lie.

He wrote an ostensibly "non-fiction" book and yet included a scene where a literal some Puerto-Rican guy came up to him, shoved a gun into his face, pulled the trigger, then told him that there wouldn't be a next time if he didn't drop the lawsuit against Taylor Swift. A scene where he assaulted some random person for telling him he was a moron. Where he apparently drove Skordas' secretary to tears by yelling at them. And of course the part where Ken, who I'm pretty sure is made up, gets fire bombed and horribly burned to the point that he's in the hospital for months.

Actually might be helpful to force the judge to read the book just to see what a fuckin psychopath Greer portrays himself as in it. I don't even think Greer has outright said the book is fake at this point, he just denies that the Taylor Swift lawsuit was only for publicity, the complete opposite message in the book.

The most unbelievable part of that story isn't that a Swiftie would pull a gun on a dude because of Swiftie logic, but that anybody actually knows who Greer is.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Reading an entire book verbatim, regardless of legal purchase or not, is not transformative,

That is not true at all. Some readings may very well be untransformative, others clearly transformative.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

That is not true at all. Some readings may very well be untransformative, others clearly transformative.

Now I'm not a USA legal expert, but as far as I know, the key factor is whether the reading adds significant new meaning or expression beyond just performing the text. And a straight reading doesn't do that. Even a dramatic performance is still just presenting the work as it is, not transforming it into something new. Like, heavy commentary, parody, critical analysis, sure, but a verbatim reading, in full, on a public livestream?
I reckon a full verbatim reading is almost 100% guaranteed not to qualify for fair use.

 

[Allied-Mastercomputer]

I reckon a full verbatim reading is almost 100% guaranteed not to qualify for fair use.

As far as I know, Greer has not had an audiobook reading made out of his published works yet. Null is just providing a service by being the voice to his audiobook copy. He can even provide his distinct dialect by mispronouncing “erver” and “Gulag arpegglio”.

For real tho, having Null be the only audiobook narrator to do him a service, and Greer being unable to find anyone else is almost worth the price of admission.

Disclaimer: These are all terrible ideas. Don’t listen to them.

 

[The Great Citracett]

As far as I know, Greer has not had an audiobook reading made out of his published works yet.

IIRC he was planning to use fiverr to have the book narrated by a "sexy British woman" and sell that as an audiobook.

It never happened, like his songs featuring rap verses, fully choreographed dance teams, and guitar solos, or the official video game based on his life and plights.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Now I'm not a USA legal expert, but as far as I know, the key factor is whether the reading adds significant new meaning or expression beyond just performing the text. And a straight reading doesn't do that. Even a dramatic performance is still just presenting the work as it is, not transforming it into something new. Like, heavy commentary, parody, critical analysis, sure, but a verbatim reading, in full, on a public livestream?
I reckon a full verbatim reading is almost 100% guaranteed not to qualify for fair use.

I give you all the rainbows for assuming Null has control enough of his tongue to read things verbatim. That aside, Null clearly would add his on flair to it (perhaps as Rekieta did or perhaps in other ways). You can copy a thing fully and still have made a work obviously transformative. See, generally, Creetosis' victories in California.

And, of course, there's other factors like Null's audience being different than the audience (if any) for Greer's works particularly where there is no risk that any of Greer's fans would come to watch an anti-Greer stream.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

I give you all the rainbows for assuming Null has control enough of his tongue to read things verbatim.

Okay, I concede the argument, that's an irrefutable point.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

My understanding is that Hardin said if Russell pays a bond instead of the sanction pending appeal, he should pay the full amount Hardin could win on his counter appeal, so Russ would have to deposit $5,100 to put off paying $774!

And if he could, I think Russ might do it. He's sworn he won't pay Hardin a single dime, and it's been noted how losing any money would be a massive blow to Russ's ego. Russ only came up with the bond idea because at least the money isn't in Null's hands so he hasn't won it yet.

So if Russ had the money, I think he might actually deposit $5,100 just so Null doesn't get his $774 yet out of spite!

 

[Harvey Danger]

That is not true at all. Some readings may very well be untransformative, others clearly transformative.

I came to the Farms from Nick Rekieta reading Greer's entire book on livestream, in a very transformative manner. He never got into trouble over it, and to this day he's never been in any legal trouble whatsoever!

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

As far as I know, Greer has not had an audiobook reading made out of his published works yet. Null is just providing a service by being the voice to his audiobook copy. He can even provide his distinct dialect by mispronouncing “erver” and “Gulag arpegglio”.

On the other hand, @Fatal Walter is doing his own read-and-review on YouTube. He can simply use Audacity to cut out his reviews and offer it to Russell as an audiobook.

 

[obsdj]

I suppose it'll depend on how the hearing ultimately plays out, but I wonder if it would be more useful/less costly for Hardin to move to sever/disjoin those two new defendants under Rule 21 instead of all sorts of other lengthy motion practice related to them. That's assuming the judge just doesn't ditch those defendants on his own, but it sure would be funny if we were able to force Russ to attempt to start all over and sue those two anons completely separately.

 

[RodgerDodger]

IIRC he was planning to use fiverr to have the book narrated by a "sexy British woman" and sell that as an audiobook.

It never happened, like his songs featuring rap verses, fully choreographed dance teams, and guitar solos, or the official video game based on his life and plights.

I thought we got the videogame?

Did Nintendo cheat a handicapped person of plights out of getting him his penis sucked?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Greer's fans

The greatest legal (or otherwise) fiction penned in the 21st century!

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

My understanding is that Hardin said if Russell pays a bond instead of the sanction pending appeal, he should pay the full amount Hardin could win on his counter appeal, so Russ would have to deposit $5,100 to put off paying $774!

And if he could, I think Russ might do it. He's sworn he won't pay Hardin a single dime, and it's been noted how losing any money would be a massive blow to Russ's ego. Russ only came up with the bond idea because at least the money isn't in Null's hands so he hasn't won it yet.

So if Russ had the money, I think he might actually deposit $5,100 just so Null doesn't get his $774 yet out of spite!

Russ might think that he is TOTALLY guaranteed to get it back though, because 'Mug 10th Circuit'....

 

[Useful_Mistake]

So, does anyone think we'll see anything interesting before the hearing?

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

So, does anyone think we'll see anything interesting before the hearing?

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