No, the president can’t just revoke pardons - What Trump is doing is evil and wrong

[George Lucas]

A pardon cannot be revoked once it has been delivered and accepted by the recipient. It becomes a valid and operative act that cannot be undone for any cause, even if it was obtained fraudulently. However, if a pardon is surrendered voluntarily in open court to be canceled, the person cannot subsequently claim any rights under it. For conditional commutations, the authority to revoke remains in effect during the term of the original sentence, and can be revoked after the expiration of the commuted sentence but before its expiration.

 

[オプセック]

A pardon cannot be revoked once it has been delivered and accepted by the recipient.

Yes, I always just reject guilty verdicts directed at my person, lol at all the suckers accepting those. KeK.
Can you even refuse a presidential pardon? I don't think so. Not your call to make.

What really makes me mati is this auto-signature business, actually. That's pretty insane.
Just a sophisticated, personal rubber stamp. That shit should be null and void by default.
Esp. because the auto-signature is an imperfect imitation anyway.
And if you couldn't tell, using such a machine should be illegal. Full stop.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

What really makes me mati is this auto-signature business, actually. That's pretty insane.
Just a sophisticated, personal rubber stamp. That shit should be null and void by default.

This is where the reform is needed, wasting time on Biden's pardons is missing the forest for the trees. Nobody should be automatically signing any order or legislation, it should require detailed review and approval by the signer before it is released. If it's too much for someone to do that, the problem is the EO/legislation.

It's no different from Congress having lobbyists write the legislation they don't read, something else that needs to be addressed.

 

[Point and Laugh]

Some random circuit court judge also can’t demand the President stop exercising their explicit powers but here we are.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

A pardon cannot be revoked once it has been delivered and accepted by the recipient.

Looks like this is corroborated by United States v. Wilson (1833) and Ex parte Garland (1866)

However, if a pardon is surrendered voluntarily in open court to be canceled

Is there even a formal legal progress for "canceling" an already-accepted pardon?

 

[Nicholas Gur]

This is a losing battle. What trump should do is just start abusing the pardon system to pardon everyone of every crime ever until they completely remove the system. Or he could man up and clinton dey asses.

 

[Rebel Wilson]

Pardon Assange and Snowden

 

[GameratePTSD]

We'll see about that. Just remember those who didn't trust the plan go in the crystals too.

 

[オプセック]

This is a losing battle. What trump should do is just start abusing the pardon system to pardon everyone of every crime ever until they completely remove the system. Or he could man up and clinton dey asses.

Pretty sure that's what Saddam did when they came for him the second time... not sure what to learn from the outcome... penis stuck in a woodchipper, instructions unclear and all that jazz...

 

[draggs]

He can if the pardons were not signed by the previous president or the previous president did not have the capacity to sign

This is the ultimate troll and I am all for it even though he is ultimately indeed going to lose in court on this

 

[Trump's Chosen]

If he can't just revoke them, what are you worrying about?

 

[Cat tit bingo]

even if it was obtained fraudulently

Has such a thing ever been tested? The entire argument is that bidens autopen was either used without his approval, while coerced or when mental unwell. With such little precedent with these circumstances there some room for challenges. Also trying to frame fighting a administration covering there criminal buddys as evil is gay.
Still I think there's an incredibly small chance it goes anywhere, I hope they put very little effort and resources into this and just use it rub dirt into the eye of the democrats and force them to defend pardons so clearly corrupt that even lefties got pissed at.

Pardon Assange and Snowden

Also chauvin, partly because you can't murder a man who already died of an OD, but mainly because it would be really really funny.

 

[オプセック]

He can if the pardons were not signed by the previous president or the previous president did not have the capacity to sign

This is the ultimate troll and I am all for it even though he is ultimately indeed going to lose in court on this

I'm really wondering how much stuff is auto signed... they will never touch that shit,
because the fallout of declaring that practice null and void would break the system.
I must admit that I love how trump is going for the hardest trolls - it's not even about technically winning with him, he just goes hard for it's own sake.
Low key love that, even if it's just smoke and mirrors to throw the don't treat on me crowd little bones in between. And for rubbernecks like me...

 

[Not 6 Foot]

It's a dangerous precedent and should not be supported. Unless there is undoubted proof with hard evidence that Biden was forced, in fear of his life, to allow those pardons to pass, it needs to be left alone.

 

[オプセック]

It's a dangerous precedent and should not be supported. Unless there is undoubted proof with hard evidence that Biden was forced, in fear of his life, to allow those pardons to pass, it needs to be left alone.

Well, I kinda disagree with that, they maybe shouldn't retcon pardons, but it would be very based to at least have some kind of two-tier system, where things like presidential orders and pardons, for example, have to be signed in person. The actual framing here should be the same that goes for forgery: Ask biden to re-sign those machine scribbled ones in person. But that's just idealistic, because it would question everything signed that way until now...

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Well, I kinda disagree with that, they maybe shouldn't retcon pardons, but it would be very based to at least have some kind of two-tier system, where things like presidential orders and pardons, for example, have to be signed in person.

I can agree with having hard evidence it was signed in person. But this isn't the time to push for that. Or, rather, this isn't the way to.

 

[Nuns with guns]

Well, I kinda disagree with that, they maybe shouldn't retcon pardons, but it would be very based to at least have some kind of two-tier system, where things like presidential orders and pardons, for example, have to be signed in person. The actual framing here should be the same that goes for forgery: Ask biden to re-sign those machine scribbled ones in person. But that's just idealistic, because it would question everything signed that way until now...

What does this accomplish? Biden’s pardons were morally wrong and I don’t like them, but there’s nothing good to be achieved by voiding them. And even if Biden was far too gone to understand what he was signing, I’m sure that old fuck and his handlers were all for it.

 

[オプセック]

What does this accomplish?

Well, it would be based if it accomplished at least declaring future machine signatures in absence null and nothing , because of this:

Nobody should be automatically signing any order or legislation, it should require detailed review and approval by the signer before it is released. If it's too much for someone to do that, the problem is the EO/legislation.

But that isn't something trump actually cares about, I'm sure.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

But that isn't something trump actually cares about, I'm sure.

Too much time is wasted at all levels owning the libs vs. making meaningful, long-lasting changes.

 

[オプセック]

Too much time is wasted at all levels owning the libs vs. making meaningful, long-lasting changes.

He def. is a greater showman than hitler, stalin or musolini, because he isn't actually tearing down everything and cheering on crowds of hoodlums doing it, he's just pushing the right buttons to make the opposition melt down on their own, without ever really touching them or really affecting anything systemic.
Which is the concerning part:
What exactly is he distracting people from and on whose behalf?
And why is his opposition so weak to begin with?