US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Members of the Trump Administration
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[Hitman One]

That still sounds like this could be grounds for a Supreme Court ruling to me. A pardon for the past ten years isn’t the same because it doesn’t state any offense that is being pardoned.

It's irrelevant, a pardon doesn't need to specify a crime. There is nothing in the constitution that requires it to.

 

[Sportsball]

This is a bad idea and if you support it you're either brain-broke by Fauci & Hunter Derangement Syndrome or just too stupid to understand the ramifications of this.

This is satire, right?

 

[The Ugly One]

Former Harris voter here. There is no coconut tree. Harris is just retarded. She tore up the Democratic Party to help support a senile retard, and her supporters have this insane idea you can change sex by wishing real hard, and the border collapsing while innocent citizens got flushed out of their homes by Tren de Aragua, with no help from law enforcement, just because the criminals are brown.

 

[Directing]

I could be wrong, but I was always under the impression that pardons had to be for specific crimes. Has there been any other case where they just say anything and everything illegal that they might or might not have done is pardoned?

AFAIK the only time before that a blanket pardon was used was by Ford for Nixon after Watergate. After that everybody (including Trump after J6) seemed to be afraid of using it again and setting precedent.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Your too lazy to list the ramifications of this.

Have fun going back to federal prison when President AOC revokes your pardon for your gay little Jan6 protest.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

It's irrelevant, a pardon doesn't need to specify a crime. There is nothing in the constitution that requires it to.

It clearly states for a federal offense, how can you pardon a federal offense without naming a federal offense?

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

Based on discussions with regretful trump supporters the majority of them are angry he is not Hitler. They actually believe the media hype that he was going to put women back in the kitchen the gays back in the closet that they would be assigned a tradwife.

Among various reasons why I'm not going to vote anymore - there is nothing to vote for, not that even "voting" is a viable form of government on its own. I've politically developed to the point where there is no option in America which represents me. My views are so far out of mainstream right wing discourse in America that I do not feel any connection with the US or its people, not that I really would either way. It's supposed to be a representative government, though there is not one soul in the government who represents ME.

And yep, here it comes.. The life long MAGA friend that sees the light and is now a raging lefty Democrat. Just like we saw on here a bit ago.

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/cauXn

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This is a problem when you have only two options in America - A or B with no option C, D, E, or F. Being an independent or voting for a third party is as good as staying home. I'm done with the fake politics of this country, lol my two real options are neo-marxists or interventionist neocons. And I'm no Libertarian, either. What an absolute joke - people watching cable news slop and young turks/conservative inc slop - it's just kabuki theater. - Make your red idiot puppet and blue idiot puppet have a slap fight.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

AFAIK the only time before that a blanket pardon was used was by Ford for Nixon after Watergate. After that everybody (including Trump after J6) seemed to be afraid of using it again and setting precedent.

Those are blanket pardons in terms of pardoning an entire group, it still was for specific federal offenses

 

[George Lucas]

The only way we will know if Biden says anything. If he says yes he pardoned them that's it game over.

Biden has the potential to do the funniest thing ever.

 

[Epic Fail Man]

Have fun going back to federal prison when President AOC revokes your pardon for your gay little Jan6 protest.

we have the second amendment if that becomes a real probability.

 

[Tsukasa Kadoya]

Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.

Go back to reddit, nigger

 

[DickMain]

I figure this is a better fit for USPG than its own thread, so peep this. Archive.

German with a green card got reportedly abused by border patrol at Logan International Airport in Utah for no reason whatsoever, totally unrelated to a previous record of marijuana possession when it was still a crime or his DUI ten years ago, both of which are justifiable reasons for deportation and revocation. I will not take the side of power-tripping feds, but this whole situation is dumb.

FYI 'Logan International' is in Boston. Logan-Cache is the Utah one.

Spoiler: I think this article is fake

That aside, this story reeks of bullshit to me. In one statement his mother is reported to have said she didn't hear from him until after he was released and hospitalized, then immediately after that another statement reads that she claims he had been "violently interrogated" at the airport itself by being stripped down and given a cold shower, but prior to both of these statements it was reported that "his partner" was the one to go and pick him up at the airport, making no mention of the mother. So was she there or wasn't she? It goes on to state that she said agents 'pressured him to give up his green card'; which kind? Are we talking a pot card (often referred to as 'green cards' like immigration cards), or an immigration card? After all this all (supposedly) came up because of a possession issue, so the distinction matters. Not helping him out here is the fact that he was an alcoholic with a DUI on record who missed a possession hearing because a written notice went to the wrong address (as if there was no other way to find or reach him, or that he didn't even know about his own ongoing case). And then he was hospitalized for, what, not having water for less than a day and having shitty sleep?

This entire thing sounds like it's made up.

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

The corpse president who was piloted around by "aids" and intelligence agencies his entire presidency will surely just get propped up again and muppeted to say "Yeah I signed all of that shit." The only reason I could figure that Trump is bringing any of this up is he's trying to draw attention away from something, or he wants his people observing the puppeteers so they can expose it.

 

[Taser Confetti]

we have the second amendment if that becomes a real probability.

Nice borderline Fed posting. Now unless you’re purposely trying to fuck the country up explain how you think allowing future presidents to overturn previous pardons is a good idea.

 

[Davis]

This is a bad idea and if you support it you're either brain-broke by Fauci & Hunter Derangement Syndrome or just too stupid to understand the ramifications of this.

Assuming the focus is narrow and aiming at whether Biden authorized the pardon signature, the ramifications will be zero. Trump is very above board in his actions, and loves putting his actual signature to the paper he signs.

Have fun going back to federal prison when President AOC revokes your pardon for your gay little Jan6 protest.

Read the thread before posting, or at least read the entirety of the tweet that's featured.

 

[GameratePTSD]

Have fun going back to federal prison when President AOC revokes your pardon for your gay little Jan6 protest.

Former AOC voter here, There is no milk. AOC has hit menopause and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are going thirsty without due process because they’re just brown.

 

[Hitman One]

It clearly states for a federal offense, how can you pardon a federal offense without naming a federal offense?

“The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

Any offense against the United States is, by definition, a federal offence.

 

[Officer Douche]

I wonder...

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lol that dip when Stalin did that whole eliminating religion thing.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

I can’t imagine the founding fathers expected the power to be used on pedophiles and mass murderers like what Biden did but that’s how they wrote it.

Funnily enough, the pardon power was envisaged as being used explicitly to pardon insurrectionists.

From Federalist 74 (Alexander Hamilton):

But the principal argument for reposing the power of pardoning in this case in the Chief Magistrate is this—In seasons of insurrection or rebellion, there are often critical moments, when a well timed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquility of the commonwealth; and which, if suffered to pass unimproved, it may never be possible afterwards to recall. The dilatory process of convening the Legislature, or one of its branches, for the purpose of obtaining its sanction to the measure, would frequently be the occasion of letting slip the golden opportunity. The loss of a week, a day, an hour, may sometimes be fatal. If it should be observed that a discretionary power with a view to such contingencies might be occasionally conferred upon the President; it may be answered in the first place, that it is questionable whether, in a limited constitution, that power could be delegated by law; and in the second place, that it would generally be impolitic before-hand to take any step which might hold out the prospect of impunity. A proceeding of this kind, out of the usual course, would be likely to be construed into an argument of timidity or of weakness, and would have a tendency to embolden guilt.

This also shows that preemptive pardons are likely constitutional from an originalist perspective.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

Any offense against the United States is, by definition, a federal offence.

Yea that is what a federal offense is, but there still has to be one in the first place to pardon. You can’t drop charges that have never been levied against someone so how can you pardon them. I don’t think they’ve ever been used that way