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Should be a wild four years.

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it requires standing up an entity that almost certainly will add to the bloat and it will take years while more bureaucratic measures are established to prevent the fat being trimmed in the first place.
If this nebulous deep state actually existed they would've put three behind Elon's skull at this point if their goal was to somehow perpetuate its own existence. All Elon is doing is firing random office workers so he can get raw numbers to tout to Fox News.

I'm pretty goddamn sure that the fact that DOGE has basically been able to run unopposed is proof enough to anyone that the mysterious deep state illuminati doesn't actually exist, and never existed in the first place.
Even now we're seeing how judges are being used to proclaim that it's actually illegal to trim that fat and demanding those affected be given backpay. If you can't do it "properly" then you do it improperly and get it done.
It's illegal to mass fire federal employees with absolutely no warning and on bullshit reasoning (claiming "bad performance" doesn't work when you're blindly firing people), yes. That's been illegal for decades, this isn't unique to Trump or Elon. The federal government isn't a tech startup, "move fast and break things" doesn't work on a national scale.
Then the second you start cutting into it there's a massive media apparatus ready to say how it was a mistake and amplify the voices of whoever will complain about being let go.
Have you ever considered that maybe it's because they ARE making mistakes? Massive ones? Actually take the time to think about which jobs they're cutting.

A "bureaucracy" with less people in it doesn't make it any less of a bureaucracy. A bureaucracy with less people in it just makes it a slower one, especially given the large volume of people that the Federal government is supposed to serve. Elon is doing nothing to fundamentally improve the federal government or the American experience.
Name 5 things Kamala Harris would have done to fix the economy that Trump isn't doing.
Her entire economic plan revolved around investing heavily in things like homeownership, childcare and entrepreneurship: increasing the child tax credit, banning algorithmic price fixing for renters, tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit, $40 billion housing innovation fund.

However, that's would've/could've. The reality we're living in is that Smoot-Hawley nostalgic Trump is now the president after campaigning on absolutely nothing but vague promises ("concepts of a plan") of lowering grocery prices and instituting blanket tariffs, and look where that's gotten us now.

Edit: Now that I think about it, it's pretty funny how you're going to bat for the man who coined the phrase "concepts of a plan" live on stage when asked to outline his replacement for Obamacare against Kamala, yet you're still somehow banging on about how Kamala lost because she supposedly had "no plan".
Name 5 ways that Kamala Harris would have worked for the middle class's "best interests" that Trump isn't doing.
See the above and also she wouldn't have imposed massive tariffs on literally every single one of our trading partners out of nowhere. Buying a house or a car is going to be much more expensive and unattainable for the middle class now that Trump decided to throw a wrench in the supply chain with literally no plan to help move manufacturing or industry to America.
You can't, because Kamala Harris's only platform planks were "I'm not Trump" and "I'm a black woman".
She only talked about her race one time when prompted during an interview with NBC. She actively avoided the topic and never campaigned on being the "FIRST [X] EVER", conservative news media, upset that they might have to deal with another Obama-situation where they have to watch their words more carefully if she won, hyperfixated on her being a black-indian woman. They turned her campaign into a culture war and wrote a narrative that overshadowed what she was actually campaigning on.

You (nor the news media for that matter) never actually paid attention to her platform, all you cared about was the culture war. "She's indian, not black!" or "She's black, not indian!" was more entertaining than any of the boring policy things that actually affect your immediate daily life.
The Biden administration's policies, which presumably Kamala Harris would have continued since she had no platform of her own, are what led directly to our economy being the shambles that it's in right now.
Name 5 Biden Administration policies that directly led to the economy being "in shambles" when he left. Was it reducing the price of insulin?
This is probably why he will pursue every other pardon except his, to highlight Hunter’s pardon.
The fact that any of you genuinely believe that this is coming from some kind of morally principled position is laughable. This is petty revenge, plain and simple. The only offense that Trump took when Biden pardoned Hunter is that he wasn't going to be able to witch hunt Hunter himself.
Does this mean that Trump could investigate Biden himself since he wasn't pardoned?
He'll never do so. He knows it's wasted effort because Joe Biden is one of the most milquetoast politicians to ever live. That's why he had to try and outsource his dirt-retrieval to Ukraine to try and get a leg up on Biden in the 2020 election. He couldn't even find direct dirt on Joe Biden, he had to try and go for his son, that's how plain Biden was, and that's why it's so funny how Biden got rewritten as some kind of Machiavellian mastermind by seething conservative media every year he was in office.
 
This is a bad move and if I was a J6er I'd start making contingency plans to immigrate somewhere that doesn't extradite to the US. Or Ross Ulbricht. Or any member of the Trump family for that matter.
See:
Meanwhile, Trump has been signing his orders by hand, on camera, in front of witnesses, and then holding it up for all to see and talking about how nice his signature turned out.

The exact fault Trump is using to advance the idea the pardons are illegitimate he has been avoiding, publicly.

Trump not only signs each order, he's having the orders described on TV, signing them on livestreams, and boasting about particular signatures further proving that it couldn't have been done by an auto-pen, much less signed without his knowing.

If proven true it means any and all documents signed by Biden outside of one EO and the Hunter pardon can now be called into question and declared unlawful, pardons, EO's, all of it.
I want to point out that whether or not the EOs Biden advanced are legitimate or not are a moot point since Trump just has to reverse them with his own EO and shouldn't really be of concern.

Now LEGISLATION that Biden signed off on? That could potentially be attacked.
 
This is a bad move and if I was a J6er I'd start making contingency plans to immigrate somewhere that doesn't extradite to the US. Or Ross Ulbricht. Or any member of the Trump family for that matter.
The influx of retards to the thread is exhausting.

Trump is not fucking overturning any pardons at all. The whole argument is that the pardons never happened in the first place since Biden did not sign them and was not even aware.
This is the argument.

The J6 pardons were signed by Trump, in front of TV cameras. Then he held up the document and showed the signature to the cameras. (Because he is a showman)
Are you fucking arguing that "J6 will be overturned because Trump never signed it and the signature was forged?"

Do you understand the difference between the two situations and how the main argument from the first situation does not apply to the second?
 
Doesn't seem the same since all of Bidens pardons were pre-emptive.
i.e. he pardoned a bunch of people who hadn't even been charged with crimes (fauci).
I mean I guess Hunter Biden sort of was charged with some sort of gun crime.
But he was never charged for the foreign shit.
They weren't ALL pre-emptive, just the ones for his inner circle.
 
And how do you expect that to go?

"Hey Joe Biden did you mean to pardon all the allies of your administration."

Joe: "Ah finally someone as brain dead retarded as me, yes, yes I did are you fucking retarded."
So true buddy, Joe Biden is definitely the morally upstanding man of conviction who wouldnt sell out other people for money, power or protection, his son Hunter even moreso a man of srong moral character who definitely wouldnt spill every secret and every piece of evidence to save his own ass and get more drugs and hookers. The swamp can sleep safe in the knowledge that the Bidens will sacrifice any deal that is favorable tho them to protect those who usurped him just to run a retarded alcoholic currynigger roleplaying as a ghetto nigger
 
The influx of retards to the thread is exhausting.

Trump is not fucking overturning any pardons at all. The whole argument is that the pardons never happened in the first place since Biden did not sign them and was not even aware.
This is the argument.

The J6 pardons were signed by Trump, in front of TV cameras. Then he held up the document and showed the signature to the cameras. (Because he is a showman)
Are you fucking arguing that "J6 will be overturned because Trump never signed it and the signature was forged?"

Do you understand the difference between the two situations and how the main argument from the first situation does not apply to the second?
It's an annulment, not a divorce.
 
This is a bad move and if I was a J6er I'd start making contingency plans to immigrate somewhere that doesn't extradite to the US. Or Ross Ulbricht. Or any member of the Trump family for that matter.
You would have at minimum three years before you can determine if that's a concern or not, and with the way things going you probably have 11 years before the Democrats even have a chance and by then it would be taboo to bring something like that up
 
The influx of retards to the thread is exhausting.

Trump is not fucking overturning any pardons at all. The whole argument is that the pardons never happened in the first place since Biden did not sign them and was not even aware.
This is the argument.

The J6 pardons were signed by Trump, in front of TV cameras. Then he held up the document and showed the signature to the cameras. (Because he is a showman)
Are you fucking arguing that "J6 will be overturned because Trump never signed it and the signature was forged?"

Do you understand the difference between the two situations and how the main argument from the first situation does not apply to the second?
The details won't matter whatsoever and if you watched any of the court cases against Trump unfold you'd know that. Only precedent matters. Nobody outside BasedMaga69 on Xitter will care about the minutiae of an overturned pardon.
 
Looking into it more, the reason they were crowdfunding is because apparently the one spic holding the camera resisted so much the ice agents tazed him till he bled and he just went out cold and was "severely harmed".
GoFundMe's TOS explicitly forbid fundraisers for criminal defense costs. I will neither confirm nor deny whether I quietly let them know about this obvious violation, but I will confirm they have, naturally, done fuck all about it and are still cheerfully serving the fundraiser.

It's funny how a bunch of Christians decided to roll their own fundraising site when the two big ones booted their own pet projects off for bullshit censorship reasons, and they've turned out to be far more reliable and less censorship-happy than the supposedly "liberal" ones.
 

Heheh.
It just gets better and better. Apparently leftists, this "rapid response network", literally followed the ambulance to the hospital and harassed staff so they could mollycoddle the poor wittle spic.

And then complain when the hospital threatens to call the cops because these literal who's are trying to record in the hospital
 
Trump not only signs each order, he's having the orders described on TV, signing them on livestreams, and boasting about particular signatures further proving that it couldn't have been done by an auto-pen, much less signed without his knowing.
When it comes to Presidential Pardons signing them is just a formality. Legally all it takes is his word.
 
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