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So the "master of the deal" got a really shit offer.
Anyone shocked at all
Anyone shocked at all
Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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Electric and or hybrid motorbikes are used by recon crews of both sides because they are pretty quiet.
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I do hope Trump will try obtain a ceasefire that is of use to Ukraine, but Putin is patently leveraging the Russian refusal to concede anything and Trump's desire for an easy win against that. The US side seems unable to keep a hold of the extraordinary leverage they possess, conceding on matters like Ukraine in NATO at an early stage (which wasn't likely anyhow but Russia feared it), and I think that arises from a perverse MAGA worship of that shabby, ramshackle empire which is Russia.
I cannot get the video I downloaded to upload, so I'll edit in later, maybe. Essentially Nielsen assesses the incursion operation under different headings. The first of 'disproving fear of esclation' or show Biden an effort to properly ramp up help would be no danger is judged unsuccessful. The second of prisoners of war was successful with many taken in the early stages and exchanged. Diversion worked as Putin patently tried to discount the scale of an effort to end the Kursk operation and tried instead to escalate in the east. Putin instead had to reduce efforts in the east to have the means to clear Kursk. Nielsen emphasises that 'bargain chip' is not meant in the sense of getting something to trade, but instead as a way to deny the change to dangle the ceasefire card over an over eager Trump. He sees that as partly successful. In addition he notes how Trump is repeating Russian misinformation about surrounded Ukrainians in Kursk using it as way to make up an issue he fixes. Finally, Nielsen discounts the idea a US aid cut off was relevant. The Russian build up to clear Kursk predated the cut off and Ukraine itself had the intel resources to work it out, and perhaps the tempo of those fairly successful Ukrainian pushes in Donetsk were an attempted counter. There's no mention of Russian tactics like their employment of a Ukrainian style drone swarm, but this is perhaps unconfirmed. Ukraine only belated started using netting to protects roads which Russia had been doing in relevant sectors.
AP had posted a story that had Gabbard saying Trump and Putin were 'very good friends' but apparently this was a quote related to Trump and Modi, king of the pajeets. Gabbard is a leather faced old Russian agent, but all she said was Trump and Putin are working for peace, which itself is wrong regarding the bald little red, but it is far from the worst thing said in these mad times.
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Putin’s foreign minister Lavrov was on the record saying Russia does not strike Ukrainian energy infrastructure not even one full month ago.
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But now Putin agreed to stop striking Ukrainian energy infrastructure for 30 days.
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You have to be a retard with the memory span of less than a month to trust anything the Soviets say.
“It doesn’t happen, but even if it does, that’s a good thing”.
Critical Russia Theory in action.
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But now Putin agreed to stop striking Ukrainian energy infrastructure for 30 days.
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You have to be a retard with the memory span of less than a month to trust anything the Soviets say.
“It doesn’t happen, but even if it does, that’s a good thing”.
Critical Russia Theory in action.
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These "peace talks" are fucking useless. Getting one side into a room and making a deal without the other side has NEVER been how peace has worked out, unless the "peace" you're talking about involves involuntarily wrenching away power from the other side. This is just more smoke-and-mirrors bullshit.
>Trump announces he's meeting with Zelenskyy/Ukrainian officials --> Makes a fucking shitshow out of everything to show to the world that the US's current regime is more hostile to Ukraine than the previous administration. Nothing happens and the war rages on.
>Trump announces he's talking to Vladimir Putin --> Does nothing but suck his dick and give him empty concessions, absolutely no use of force or diplomacy to get Russia to knock it the fuck off. Nothing happens and the war rages on.
>White House officials talk to Ukranian officials --> nothing happens.
>White House officials talk to Russian officials --> nothing happens (but with an added sweetness), repeat.
Extremely unfortunate that America chose such a fucking cucked president. He's willing to flex his power on the nation's allies and on his own people because he knows there will be no personal consequence to him, but he's too chickenshit to use any of that strength against America's biggest, economically flailing ally, Russia.
The only "good" thing to come out of Trump's complete and utter lack of spine is that at the very least he lacks the balls to outrightannounce his love affair with Putin send weapons to Russia at the risk of America being sanctioned as heavily as them.
>Trump announces he's meeting with Zelenskyy/Ukrainian officials --> Makes a fucking shitshow out of everything to show to the world that the US's current regime is more hostile to Ukraine than the previous administration. Nothing happens and the war rages on.
>Trump announces he's talking to Vladimir Putin --> Does nothing but suck his dick and give him empty concessions, absolutely no use of force or diplomacy to get Russia to knock it the fuck off. Nothing happens and the war rages on.
>White House officials talk to Ukranian officials --> nothing happens.
>White House officials talk to Russian officials --> nothing happens (but with an added sweetness), repeat.
Extremely unfortunate that America chose such a fucking cucked president. He's willing to flex his power on the nation's allies and on his own people because he knows there will be no personal consequence to him, but he's too chickenshit to use any of that strength against America's biggest, economically flailing ally, Russia.
The only "good" thing to come out of Trump's complete and utter lack of spine is that at the very least he lacks the balls to outright
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The Ukrainian refinery strikes are something Putin likely wants to halt, so he might now avoid openly violating that meme ceasefire for the moment. Putin has a reliable record of breaking all his agreements either exactly as he makes it or a bit later.
Shaheeds were actually launched after this joke agreement and it hit energy targets. This is traditional Putin. I expect that if Ukraine responds to this, Trump will likely empurple with rage. The prisoner exchange had already been agreed. Zelensky has said they will respond to energy attacks. Apparently (according to a 'source') Putin is said to be offering an end to the 'SMO' if Ukraine recognises the seizure of Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea and the other fragments. Ukraine will likely ignore this, but I expect Trump will try pressure Ukraine to agree. The thing about a hockey game is a bit sickening. Some might call its transactional, but this is of benefit only to Putin. It will actually further discredit Trump domestically and internationally, which is a mark of how bad an agreement it is. Trump was actually kept on hold when he called the Kremlin. It was another insult, but Trump is oblivious to that. Putin mocks and despises Trump.
Vlad Vexler suggests that Putin manipulated this worthless agreement out of Trump. Putin is a cunning actor and Trump frankly is simpler.
Slovyansk in Donetsk was hit by Iranian drones fired after this shit fake deal. At least 45 Russian UAVs attacking. Hospitals and schools, if hit, are valid targets under this immediately violated ceasefire.
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Less “Putin’s puppet” and more “Putin’s pet lolcow who he actively alogs”. To use the parlance of our time.
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Doing the peace talks by talking to one side at a time at first isn't the worst way of doing things here. You can puff up Russia's ego by placating them that they're getting the negotiation with the real lord behind the vassal state, while still demanding the concessions Ukraine wants or is in its interest. So Russia can save face, the US can flex its strength to get Russia to back down, and Ukraine could enjoy some peace after years of the invasion.
It just becomes a problem when the US decides Ukraine genuinely is a vassal state and aggressed upon Russia by not wanting to be invaded.
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Dammit Trump the last guy did a relations reset and we got Russia invading Crimea.
We can agree the 30-day "no attacks on energy infrastructure" is BS and pretty fucking LOL (also would have been more important in like December when Russia launches its yearly attempt to freeze grandma to death; big 2nd most powerful army energy)
But I'm also just going to say that's more peace deal than Biden or the EU was able to wring out in three years.
I don't care too much about the 30-day worthless agreement I'm pretty sure Russia will violate - it IS the most momentum we've seen on peace but also lol - except that it means Russia not going to have additional sanctions laid on it for 30 days.
(but again, OTOH that also means Europe won't see their energies spike for those 30 days)
They left some serious, yuge gaps in the deal.
Re: The mineral deal, the deal was always worthless by itself, it was just a foot in a door to more negotiations.
The agreement has real, serious issues as things like "control of the fund" that were to be decided at a later date. Apparently someone pointed out the massive issues with signing the deal before anyone had any fucking clue how the fund would be administered and they are trying to get a realistic, enforceable frame work in place before its brought up again - if its ever brought up again because the real main goal was "both sides talking about not killing each other as much" and that's done.
The other thing the deal would have done - giving the US a stake in Ukraine's success - won't matter if everything goes to Trumps's plan and there's a permanent peace deal (I think I can speak for everyone when I say: lol); if there's a permanent deal, he won't need to harangue congress for more aid, so no need for the US to have a direct financial incentive for Ukraine's success.
When a peace deal fails to materialize I think the mineral deal will come back to the forefront. And hopefully a less shit version.
Both sides are slavs and would only use being in the same room together to assert the other is the faggot.
I don't agree that Russia has been made to hurt enough to good-faith engage in a peace process, but I do agree if you're going to try to get the two sides to an actual peace making them talk through a mediator is the way to do it.
I agree, mostly.
Knowing I may regret giving the TDS infection ward anything to work with, but by just maintaining the status quo he's technically giving Russia something - not cranking sanctions or upping supply to Ukraine gives Russia more time.
Again I do want to point out that the EU, Russia's #2 (I think they're behind china now) energy export market, could at any time leverage their own sanctions and could at anytime they want to crater their own economies cut off the incoming Russian energy imports.
I'm also expecting to see TDS fags start screeching now that I mention this as well:
The US certainly hasn't been Hard on Russia, but I'm waiting to see if, when, and how much a new Ukraine aid package is put together (and/or a peace deal but lol) before I think its valid to say he's soft. If the US just lets current aid stand, I'd count that as being soft.
But by doing noting and making soothing vatnigger noises he's made the Eurocucks actually do something other than import 50 million more niggers and muslims. And I'm getting more convinced that's the play. It just sucks Ukraine is caught in the middle.
Yeah I don't understand people who say Zelensky isn't brought to heel. He's been made a acutely aware that unlike an EU leader that needs Ukraine to not fall, Trump can and will walk away.
Putin's getting slowly manhandled in that direction, but its slowly, and he might be faking; we'd all like to see Trump chimp out at Russia as hard as he's chimped at Ukraine, and I am concerned he'll pull and obama and right as sanctions were starting to work, instead of doing the right thing and doubling down and being able to dictate terms he'll instead take a shitty, flimsy agreement with a party that can't be trusted. But there's no good in premature meltdowns.
I think its sort of worth a pat or two on the back because Biden really cranked sanctions on his way out the door - stuff he could have done earlier but didn't. So Trump didn't walk them back, and has been looking at increasing them. I guess what I'm saying is that Trump doesn't need to do anything to make March 2025 sanctions put more significantly more pressure on Russia than the sanctions in March 2024 were putting.
Bill still needs to go pass the the Kraut Senate. Great if this actually goes through gets Germany's military unfucked but I have my doubts. From what I'm reading there the bill establishes a "fund" to work a loophole in German budgetary law without saying where exactly that fund is going to spend, just its a response to "russian aggression". I'm curious where they are going to spend and what timeline its spent.
Because I'd expect it to look like:
300 billion over the next 10 years to import more arabs, put them on welfare, build mosques and supply them with vulnerable teenaged girls so they hopefully don't chimp out and jihad more christmas markets
199 Billion over the next 8 months to hire more 6am full battle rattle door kickers to serve fines to people spicy posting on facebook or tweeting and hurting the feelings of the dictatorial wanna-bes in the government
1 billion increased defense spending* over the next 100 years
=
EUROPES LARGEST DEFENSE SPEND INCREASE EVER
*all of it earmarked for programs focused on Trannies
Yes but not for the reasons you listed. Those will only help readiness.
Also re: grooming standards, an early sign of depression as well as other mental issues is failure to maintain personal hygiene. While there are officers with a hard on for a blowtorch shave, the real value is making sure you detect people having sad brains early.
When I was in training, getting dinged for no-shave was a mandatory appointment with the chaplain. Most times it was bullshit to take an extra hour from you, but at least one dude had a full breakdown.
Almost as great of an addition as your Trump seething, sex fantasies, and posting AI fetish bait you just happen to have laying around the house for totally normal, legitimate reasons.
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"Phone-y Disarmament: The Trump-Putin Call & the Phantom Ceasefire", William Spaniel, Mar 18, 2025:
PreserveTube archive.
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Trump is such a fucking wet blanket.
He can't fucking do anything besides jerk Putin off, scare our allies away and tear our nation apart because this mans ego needs to be fed.
He can't fucking do anything besides jerk Putin off, scare our allies away and tear our nation apart because this mans ego needs to be fed.
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Scaring and fucking over allies is a much beloved tradition for the U.S. government. Where Trump really fuck up and especially with him being a "businessman," is scaring and fucking over USA's M.I.C. foreign paying and potential customers. As that invites and is currently getting the kind of political and economic blowback that actively fucks over American workers, businesses and on upwards. As Europe is rearming and now they're looking for any non-American alternatives. And openly discussing canceling contracts for big budget items like the F-35. As they lost faith on the United States not fucking them over by cutting any and all support, flipping the "kill switches," forbidding their use in their own operations and etc.
Edit: Only reason they and anyone haven't done it yet, is everyone with a M.I.C. have the same ITAR restrictions on their shit like the U.S. M.I.C. As nobody like the idea of the weapons they built or license out being turned on them or their government's interests.
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It was pretty much a deal about arranging a deal down the road, but it's a weird talking point since the White House did pull it while acting like it was Ukraine against it now.
Saw a theory that the reason Trump was wanting to talk power plants was because a mineral operation would require quite a bit of power, so they wouldn't want to have it controlled by Russia (though really it's probably just because Ukraine could use the power period). I don't remember seeing Trump mention it in his triumphant social media posting so guessing he didn't get anywhere on that front.
I'm probably getting too annoyed with these events and should post less.
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It's just one of them reskinned chink bikes innit?
Probably not this specific one, but I would suspect a lot of "new" Russian shit to just be repackaged chink shit.
I've seen this one, people pointed out that the truck is already disabled, empty and just standing still. Were they shooting a propaganda video or tried to claim easy bounty by scamming their superiors?
Any sort of meaningful reset would only be possible with Putin (and putinism) out of the picture. As it stands, it's a pipe dream.
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A good portion of Ukraine's economy is selling power to neighboring EU nations.
But I would suspect the real goal is to make sure nuke plants are taken off the target list so there are no Chernobyl type woopsies.
They are diplomatic slap fighting back. Non-EU countries don't have issues because the "kill switch" isn't; India is breaking with Russia, other EU countries like Switzerland and poland are looking to buy more/upgrade packages.
Usual list of faggot countries are doing this because they were called out for being spendthrift fags, and are trying to do anything they can to limp wristedly slap at Orange Man now that it looks like they're being forced to make good those long-requested token efforts at viable self defense.
"Does anyone have any products comparable to the F-35 like even close?"
"Nope"
"Ok then guess we're buying what we ordered. That was a very usefully spent 90 days that hopefully made us look a little less like sackless bitches now that everyone's forgotten and moved to the next outrafge."
As they are forced to rearm it makes sense to stock up on things made closer to home when practical,but they will be making as big of a stink about doing what they would have done anyway as possible.
If Trump hadn't forced them to step up, that money would have never been spent so the US MIC isn't really "losing out" on sales, EU defense is gaining and that's good for everyone on the NATO side and long overdue.
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In Trump's latest interview with Laura ingraham he says that Canadians are the worst people to negotiate with, while also praising his good relationship with Putin, Xi jinping and Kim jong-un.
The guy might actually just be retarded. A retard with a hard on for dictators.
The guy might actually just be retarded. A retard with a hard on for dictators.
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To be fair, given he would've had to negotiated with people who were apart of Trudeau's administration which sounds like torture
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GUR ACKs expensive Russian equipment with sea launched night vision FPV drones.
Gazpromzisters...:
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It's not quite a killswitch, but like with Imperial Iran's F-14 Tomcats, friendship means a connection to US parts and expertise. Clerical Iran has kept some going but with difficulty and some reverse engineering. Even if Trump turns full Slava Ukraini tomorrow, Ukraine will never see an F-14 for that reason. Tom Cooper likened it to a phone subscription. It can be used only if cut off with unlocking and reverse engineering, but it's really hard. Simpler Soviet stuff is easier to master. Ukraine had a major enough MiG-29 servicing industry even after breaking with Moscow.
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Mineral extraction is a complete nothingburger. It's not even worth thinking about. Developing mineral deposits takes decades, and that won't happen without security guarantees. The idea that the economic activity itself would provide them is utter nonsense. American companies were active in Ukraine before 2022 and it did nothing. That's assuming that a lot of that stuff can even be developed profitably. Russian coal mining and steel companies are famously haemorrhaging money.
The only reason Trump is obsessed with it is that he's an imbecile, and his pet lunatics like Ghostse have to pretend any worthless thing he says has value and meaning because Trump is their god. Mindlessobserver demonstrated that quite well recently: faith in Trump is self-contradictory nonsense that cannot be argued or explained, as it's all delusion.
I think Zaporizhzhia NPP is a topic because it's right on the border and probably requires Ukrainian sufferance to operate, so it's possible to include it in negotiations without significant territorial concessions. It's also a quite big plant.
Trump AGAIN brought up the bullshit encirclement. 2500 Ukrainian soldiers in a cauldron somewhere. What an embarrassment for the United States.
He thinks Putin will not betray the US for China, because Xi is also a friend of the United States. Russia has so many rare earths, and so much empty land. Things the US needs!
(Note how he needs nothing at all from Canada or Mexico, but is willing to sell out his country for the prospect of developing some tundra swamp for his good friend Putin).
Russia fully relies on foreign companies to provide the capital and machinery to exploit mineral resources, so Americans building facilities for them would be an incredible deal for them. Of course, no western company is eager to invest in Russia, after the Russian government stole their assets and imposed heavy restrictions on them, making all their operations subject to Russian government control, but whatever, MAGAniggers don't know or care about such things.
Witkoff says that last night's Russian drone attack was an accident and the Russians even shot down some of their own drones.
He knows for a fact that Putin is negotiating in good faith, because Putin says so to Trump, and Putin's word is all they need and all they have apparently.
The dotard is more concerned with dealing with America's arch-enemy: Canada.
This retard genuinely pushes for the destruction and annexation of Canada. This is pure mental illness. There is nothing to be said about it. No cope. It's inexcusable mental decay.
Half of the reason I'm so openly contemptuous of MAGAniggers is that they co-sign the endless stream of retardation. Nothing he says or does ever matters, their opinion of him stays the same. They will openly lie to people by presenting their delusional head canon as though it had something to with reality. They will lie about what he says, they will lie about what he does, and when you show them what he really says and does, they will attack that person, so they can go back to their comfortable echo chamber.
And when you call them out on their lies, they get asshurt, because they want to be seen as respectable, but also at the same act as subhuman degenerates. Too bad, that's not how it works. You act like deranged retards, and I will treat you accordingly.