UK Boys need role models not gaming and porn, Sir Gareth Southgate says

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Sir Gareth Southgate says he fears young men are spending too much time gaming, gambling and watching pornography - and they need better role models beyond online influencers.

In a wide-ranging talk for the BBC's annual Richard Dimbleby Lecture, the ex-England men's football manager spoke about his own experience of missing a crucial penalty at Euro 96, saying he didn't let it define him.

"That pain still haunts me today," he said, "and I guess it always will."

Referencing his own experiences, he said the UK needed to do more to encourage young people - especially young men - to make the right choices in life and to not fear failure.

Rather than turning to teachers, sports coaches or youth group leaders, Sir Gareth said he feared many young men were searching for direction online. There, he said they were finding a new kind of role model, one that too often did not have their best interests at heart.

"These are callous, manipulative and toxic influencers, whose sole drive is for their own gain," he said.

"They willingly trick young men into believing that success is measured by money or dominance, that strength means never showing emotion, and that the world, including women, is against them."

Sir Gareth spoke about missing the crucial penalty in the 1996 Euros semi-final, when England lost to Germany.

"Missing that penalty was undoubtedly a watershed moment that made me stronger, a better man," Sir Gareth said at the lecture. "It forced me to dig deep, and revealed an inner belief and resilience I never knew existed."

He contrasted his own miss with Eric Dier's successful penalty kick against Colombia in 2018, when - with Sir Gareth as manager - England won a World Cup penalty shootout for the first time.

During the intervening 22 years, he said there had been a change in mindset among England players.

"In 1996, I had walked 30 yards to the penalty spot believing I would miss," he said. "In 2018, Eric had walked 30 yards to the penalty spot believing he would score."

During Sir Gareth's career as a defender and midfielder, he played for Crystal Palace, Aston Villa and Middlesbrough and was in the England squad between 1995 and 2004. He took over as manager in 2016 and led the team to the 2018 World Cup semi-final, 2022 World Cup quarter-final and Euro finals in 2020 and 2024.

He stepped down as manager in July, two days after England lost to Spain in the Euros.

Sir Gareth has been credited with revitalising the England team and was knighted in the King's New Year Honours in December.

He is the latest in a line of academics, business leaders and other notable figures to deliver the Richard Dimbleby Lecture, which has been held most years since 1972 in memory of the broadcaster.

Previous speakers have included King Charles III, when he was the Prince of Wales, tech entrepreneur and philanthropist Bill Gates, and Christine Lagarde, then the managing director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

'Too many young men are isolated'

Sir Gareth's talk focused on the importance of belief and resilience for young men, and he cited three things needed to build these: identity, connection and culture.

He referred to a report, released earlier this month by the Centre for Social Justice, which said boys and young men were "in crisis", with a "staggering" increase in those not in education, employment or training.

"Too many young men are isolated," Sir Gareth said in his talk. "Too many feel uncomfortable opening up to friends or family. Many don't have mentors - teachers, coaches, bosses - who understand how best to push them to grow. And so, when they struggle, young men inevitably try to handle whatever situation they find themselves in, alone."

"Young men end up withdrawing, reluctant to talk or express their emotions," he added. "They spend more time online searching for direction and are falling into unhealthy alternatives like gaming, gambling and pornography."

He also said young men don't get enough opportunities to fail and learn from their mistakes.

"In my opinion, if we make life too easy for young boys now, we will inevitably make life harder when they grow up to be young men," he said. "Too many young men are at risk of fearing failure, precisely because they've had so few opportunities to experience and overcome it. They fail to try, rather than try and fail."

The ex-footballer also reflected on what his career has taught him about belief and resilience.

"If I've learned anything from my life in football, it's that success is much more than the final score," he said. "True success is how you respond in the hardest moments."

The Richard Dimbleby Lecture with Sir Gareth Southgate is broadcast at 10.40pm on BBC One and available on iPlayer now

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How do you solve this with your own; I feel like mine are in a lot of 'activities' but they are very keen on them
What’s even left for kids to do these days? You can’t let them roam free any more. They’re not allowed to do adventurous stuff like shoot arrows at barns. And even stuff like building tree houses is out because dangerous and you can’t let them go play in the woods all day. They’re told off at school if they’re too active and made to sit behind desks. All the exciting books on exploration are deemed problematic. What do you expect kids to DO?
Unless they’re at a fancy school with a music room they can go start a band in, or a very very fancy school with Grounds to explore and regular ski strips and canoeing they’re going to kick a ball around the playground and play video games. Scouts? Has girls in. Guides? Has boys in and leaders who are trannies. Complete mess.
Southgate is an annoying wanker. A decent manager for sure but just annoyingly wet on social issues.
When I was a kid, my mum used to force me and my sister to go to these summer activity club things at the local community centre. They did shit like archery, javelin, relay races, painting, crafts, building birdhouses. Just a real 'throw it at the wall, see what sticks' approach. Do they not run those anymore?
 
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Want to play football? Ok well you’ll have to train five nights a week. I mean they’re KIDS they can’t be doing that and neither can most parents. It’s crazy.
My son did an activity like that for a while. He was happy to go twice a week and was enjoying it, learning some cool stuff, then the coach decided they needed to train more, added two days, and got really pissed off about kids missing a session. My son had other stuff that he liked better on the new evenings but was practicing at home. Then more days were added, training 6 days a week, often for six hours a day on some weekend days.

We gave it up completely in the end, which was a massive shame as he had enjoyed it, but you were either committed to the point where it was prioritised over all other activities, including at times schoolwork, or there was no point in bothering. I really didn't get it because while the best kids were very, very good, they weren't the kind of good enough to have a shot at the elite levels that might have justified that kind of dedication.
 
These fags only want men to be men in a way that benefits them.
Yeah. Gareth would be the first bloke in line to tell off any young lad he found building a tree house on his estate.
People like him have this odd idea that anything vaguely boyish or to do with creating or building is somehow toxic. Any drive or aggression at all, even if it’s drive to do positive things, is bad to them.
They have this idea that being ‘good’ is just being in line with whatever social media thing is current thing and that any kind of person who doesn’t toe that line agreeably isn’t a good person.
We are not going to get any more great engineers, musicians, explorers or leaders with people like him setting the standard for what ‘proper’ behaviour looks like. Leaders and innovators male and female are not sat there meekly reposting current thing, they are obsessively working on stuff. We are neutering everyone’s minds and allowing their most base wants free rein and it’s turning society to crap
@Chunky Salsa yeah they do but they’re really expensive, you couldn’t be doing it all summer, and they’re always daft times for drop off and pick up.
 
@Chunky Salsa yeah they do but they’re really expensive, you couldn’t be doing it all summer, and they’re always daft times for drop off and pick up.
Really? Insane, my mum was a single mother on a council estate. Mind you, mine were also all done through a church, so probably cheaper.
 
The Boomer tier anti-video game bit has been done to death. Video games aren't the problem. They are a hobby.
It's not a hobby any more than watching TV is a hobby. It's a time sink. I think that one of the reasons that video games appeal more to young men is because they create a simulacrum of real life struggle in which success is guaranteed as long as you work hard enough and the path to that success follows a predictable pattern that you can more or less work out. The real world isn't like this, so they sink deeper and deeper into an unreal world where they aren't facing tremendous headwinds. You can see how this is eventually poisoning how they interact not only with reality but with other media, with things like isekai and those RoyalRoad stories incorporating gameplay elements rather then real life ones. I've met young men who've asked for reading recommendations but then were mystified because they were used to video game mechanics being in all their stories (shit like 'leveling up').

This doesn't mean that everyone who plays video games is a waste of space, more that part of enjoying video games in a sane way is to realize that they aren't a hobby and to combine them with actual hobbies. A hobby teaches you a real life skill, it teaches you how to interact with and navigate the real world, which is infinitely more complex, more capricious, and more unfair than any digital simulacrum. Someone whose only 'hobby' is video games is usually agonizing to have a conversation with because they can't relate to anything real.

Nabokov wrote an interesting novel way back when about a chess player who more or less went mad as the game consumed his life, he started to see every checkered floor as a game floor, started to parse his social relationships in terms of chess moves. As he killed himself in the end by hurling himself out the window he even interpreted the world around him as an immense chessboard. I used to think of this as artful hyperbole, but I've been forced to interact with a couple of shut-in gamers who were starting to reach that level.
 
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I admire the sentiment, but much like the Johnny Mathis song this smacks of 'too much, too little, too late'.

'Boys need attention too' - yeah, we were saying that aeons ago but were called sexist, misogynists and Nazi paedophiles for daring to point out the blindingly obvious.

Now society is worried because boys might turn against them and vote in that charming man Nigel Farage of Clacton, Essex, as the next Prime Minister (possibly before 2029, as Sir Quiche Harmer's Government has less staying power than a Drachenlort erection)...? Oh boo fucking hoo, cry me the River Nile you bunch of supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies.

Southgate, you failed to hit the target that night against Der Krauts and were at best an average player for Crystal Palace, Aston Villa and Middlesbrough combined with a bang average management career with only Middlesbrough, England U21s and England. Do please fuck the hell off.
 
Name the role models.
In the 80s you had big hulking action dudes like arnie and sly
In the 90s you had big hulking action dudes like segal, van dam and arnie and sly
Now you have...wet soyboy faggots, trannies and infininiggers.

Andrew Tate is classed as a misogynist, even if he's mostly right.
Jordan Peterson is a problematic nazi/homophobe, even though he's right.
Clarkson is a nazi
There is no comedy
There are no action stars or fictional heroes, let alone real ones to look up to.

I agree with you Gaz, for once, but name some names you wetwipe.
 
Boys do need role models. They need good fathers and father figures. Many of those are "toxically" masculine.

Gaming is a hobby. And, as someone else posted, can also become a coping mechanism. But any form of escapism can. This is a red herring.

Porn is a vice, but it's not the cause of modern problems between men and women. Blaming porn is just a way for 1) would-be censors to get their collective foot in the door (for our own good, of course), and 2) for feminism to deflect total accountability for its long-standing, destructive tenets.

I'm not saying we're better off socially now than we were 30 years ago in terms of porn availability, but we will be in a much worse place with empowered censors who, you'll notice, are already purity spiraling. (Remember why the Religious Right lost power... they were insufferable moral scolds who everyone else disliked and resented.)

Notice both of these are things men tend to like that women tend to complain about. That should make you skeptical.
 
Playing video games is bad. So instead you need to over pay to full in a stadium to watch a bunch of foreign guys play pretend local to kick a ball in a goal like a cuck.

In hindsight I've come to realize what a waste of time videogames are but you can not convince me it's any worse then modern sports viewing. At least with video games you are a active participant.


The rest of what he said is all bark no bite as others pointed out. Doesn't offer any real solutions because it would open him up to criticism so instead just make vauge "we have problems" speech and do nothing.
 
The Boomer tier anti-video game bit has been done to death. Video games aren't the problem. They are a hobby.
Not a problem per se, they're just a hobby like you said... But at this point in time i really do believe enjoying video games tips a couple points up in the lolcow/degenerate scale. Not every gamer is a cow, but the vast majority of cows are gamers in some shape or form.
 
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Not a problem per se, they're just a hobby like you said... But at this point in time i really do believe enjoying video games tips a couple points up in the lolcow/degenerate scale. Not every gamer is a cow, but the vast majority of cows are gamers in some shape or form.
That's not the fault of video games. It's like blaming all gun owners because a few whackos go out and get a gun and commit a mass shooting. There is nothing degenerate about video games. You are stuck in a Boomer tier mindset.
 
Not a problem per se, they're just a hobby like you said... But at this point in time i really do believe enjoying video games tips a couple points up in the lolcow/degenerate scale. Not every gamer is a cow, but the vast majority of cows are gamers in some shape or form.
To be a Lolcow means that you have to be really exceptional. 99.9% of people IN GENERAL, not just Video Games, aren't. I know you said that not all gamers are cows but the chance of your average gamer even remotely inhibiting symptoms of your average cow is so low that there is no point in bringing it in as an argument. Also,
>But at this point in time i really do believe enjoying video games tips a couple points up in the lolcow/degenerate scale.
lolwut?
 
Modern day video games are an interactive FMV of Vegas...if vegas was the largest autistic place on Earth
 
Every time I hear this, "boys need more male role models", nobody ever has an answer as to what those male role models should actually look like, or how they should inspire boys.

Sports stars? Sports is a commercialized mess. 99% of people just flat have no chance of being what the pros want, and sports destroys lives.
Military figures? We haven't fought a war in decades that anyone is proud of.
Politicians? Hah.
Religious leaders, scout leaders, etc? Name a group that isn't plagued by molestation scandals.

The Andrew Tates and Mr. Beasts of the world are shit too, don't get me wrong,

And the modern right-wing conservative movement, I'm sad to say, isn't doing much better. The Daily Wire brand of "how to be a man" is to work 80 hours a week for the rest of your life with no sick days or retirement to support your tradwife and children who will probably end up leaving your ass in 10 years when you're a bitter, distant, uninvolved wreck of a man because you were a dumbass who listened to the Daily Wire for life coaching.

... Sorry, I'm not very happy with the Daily Wire anymore.

But the point stands: What, exactly, do these people expect boys to aspire to be? There's increasingly nothing for them in the world.
 
Oh fuck off Southgate

This fraud has been hailed as the second coming because he managed to grind his way to a final and then lose in an incredibly weak cup, whilst playing the kind of football that makes a Monday morning doing accounting look electrifying, and spouting about how he agrees with the Current Moral Outrage

Can he please fuck off
 
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