Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

Ultraman Orb Dark said:
A later season remade the episode in the flash animation style, and they replaced Lance Armstrong with an in-universe celebrity who had cancer instead, a professional wrestler named Uncle Slam.
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Because if there's one thing that professional wrestlers are known for, it's that they never use steroids.
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Uncle Slam is, at least, from older seasons. I think they show Binkey watching wrestling and he's part of it, i feel he also appears in one or two with Binkeys adopted chinese sister.
 
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Lady Bizness said:
These people need to get a normal job in a lower cost of living area and grow the fuck up. Moving back in with your parents would be less embarrassing than paying 1k a month to live in a tiny box with a bunch of other Peter Pans.
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Life is Hell... said:
Apparently even since they got laid off, some of these Animation Industry folks have gotten so poor, that they've resorted to renting out their houses for people to live in.
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Bro, something is legitimately wrong with these people. They don't want to move back in with their parents. I get that some parents suck, but being poorly treated temporarily is better than being homeless and dying.

Imagine someone loses their job in the industry. Then needs to find a new place to live. They claim they can't go back home to their parents because of "muh mentalz" yet instead of considering any job, they seek something that suits their wants, prioritizing their comfort over survival. (This may or may not be based on something I'm watching an acquaintance go through right now.)

They're not going to take on a job flipping burgers, bagging groceries, or doing data entry. These morons MUST be animators/compositors/storyboard artists/etc. because it's like any other job will dehumanize them and delegitimize their lives spent going to art school and whatnot. They're too good to move back home with their parents and too good for any job unless it's exactly what they want.

This mindset is seriously how people end up homeless and it's... definitely something to watch unfold in real time.

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Castoreum said:
This mindset is seriously how people end up homeless and it's... definitely something to watch unfold in real time.
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The constant messaging my generation had gotten was to follow your dreams. Screw practicality, anything is possible if you follow your dream, following your dream will make you successful, you just have to want it enough. Practical planning will lead to penury AND ennui, and this is worse than physical death. You will die a soul death. The younger generations are getting a similar message with a huge helping of anxiety from a return to social pressure being a thing again.
After working for a family member who was living the dream I actually prefer my dream to be contained to one room in the house and mostly done on weekends. It makes me no money at all but gives me joy because, fancy that, if you're trying to make money you have to produce what people want and that can be just as boring as working a normal job anyway.

Also, if people ever wonder why I hate the homeless, this is part of it. I feel for the occasional crazy who has fallen through the cracks but the vast majority are selfish fucks and I don't know how people don't see that. "Oh but I saw a YouTube video where a homeless guy shared his last piece of pizza with a stranger!" Awwwwww shut it.
 
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Castoreum said:
Bro, something is legitimately wrong with these people. They don't want to move back in with their parents. I get that some parents suck, but being poorly treated temporarily is better than being homeless and dying.
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The mere fact they went into animation and stayed in animation makes me think the vast majority of them are not the type of people who actually do have bad relationships with their parents that would prevent them from moving in.
Animation isn't exactly a high-paying industry, and it's already been extremely unstable for many years. Most people from shit families who didn't immediately start making money would have had to drop out of the industry out of pure necessity.
You only survive in industries like that if other people are supporting you in some way, either parents, spouse, etc.

Castoreum said:
They're not going to take on a job flipping burgers, bagging groceries, or doing data entry. These morons MUST be animators/compositors/storyboard artists/etc. because it's like any other job will dehumanize them and delegitimize their lives spent going to art school and whatnot. They're too good to move back home with their parents and too good for any job unless it's exactly what they want.
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Lady Bizness said:
The constant messaging my generation had gotten was to follow your dreams. Screw practicality, anything is possible if you follow your dream, following your dream will make you successful, you just have to want it enough. Practical planning will lead to penury AND ennui, and this is worse than physical death. You will die a soul death. The younger generations are getting a similar message with a huge helping of anxiety from a return to social pressure being a thing again.
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Can any zoom-zooms provide insight into what you guys grew up with re: future careers and such?

I ask because it cannot be understated how much the children of the Boomers (both GenX and Millennials) were told things like "You just need to get a degree, it doesn't matter what it is!" and "Follow your dreams!" which was itself a response both to how the Boomers themselves were raised:


And what they themselves had experienced:


In 1985, immediately before animation was moved to Korea, Disney animators were making $728/week
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If we assume an animator was working 50 weeks a year (I'm being generous and saying 2 weeks unpaid vacation here). Then they were making $36,400/year annually. That's $109,604.02/year by the official numbers. (If measured in gold, it's closer to $340,000. $36,000/$318-per-oz in 1985 = 114.5oz. 114.5x$3000-per-oz in 2025 = $343,396)

That is wildly different than what their children could expect. The child of a Disney animator who was working in the 1980s wouldn't even be able to get her father's job. It doesn't even exist in the states anymore.

Also, I forget which show it was, but there was something recently where they had an episode where they show characters how animation is made, and at one point they load a bunch of keyframes into a catapult and launch it to Korea.

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Castoreum said:
Bro, something is legitimately wrong with these people. They don't want to move back in with their parents. I get that some parents suck, but being poorly treated temporarily is better than being homeless and dying.

Imagine someone loses their job in the industry. Then needs to find a new place to live. They claim they can't go back home to their parents because of "muh mentalz" yet instead of considering any job, they seek something that suits their wants, prioritizing their comfort over survival. (This may or may not be based on something I'm watching an acquaintance go through right now.)

They're not going to take on a job flipping burgers, bagging groceries, or doing data entry. These morons MUST be animators/compositors/storyboard artists/etc. because it's like any other job will dehumanize them and delegitimize their lives spent going to art school and whatnot. They're too good to move back home with their parents and too good for any job unless it's exactly what they want.

This mindset is seriously how people end up homeless and it's... definitely something to watch unfold in real time.

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My very personal opinion:

The animation industry, is full of egotistical Nepo babies who AREN'T really Nepo babies

Of course, they go to fancy California art schools and they connected with everyone but that doesn't eliminate the fact that, as you said, animation doesn't really pay millions, and now is even worse because I think the entertainment industry is going to an imminent crisis

But that's the problem, a lot of those fuckers think that are the best thing since sliced bread and saw any job not worth of his magnificence, is fucked up, but is true

Just look how entitled and rude are so many animators on Twitter, even if they aren't big deal, like that bitch that made the She-Ra remake

Honestly is pathetic, because what the (international) industry needs is creativity, fun and beauty, not pseudo-nepo baby fucks that larp as people with talent, if they end up being homeless, it's their goddamn problem
 
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A Wumpa Fruit said:
The animation industry, is full of egotistical Nepo babies who AREN'T really Nepo babies

Of course, they go to fancy California art schools and they connected with everyone but that doesn't eliminate the fact that, as you said, animation doesn't really pay millions, and now is even worse because I think the entertainment industry is going to an imminent crisis

But that's the problem, a lot of those think that are the best thing since sliced bread and saw any job not worth of his magnificence, is up, but is true

Just look how entitled and rude are so many animators on Twitter, even if they aren't big deal, like that that made the She-Ra remake

Honestly is pathetic, because what the (international) industry needs is creativity, fun and beauty, not pseudo-nepo baby that larp as people with talent, if they end up being homeless, it's their problem
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"I can't wait until animators are jobless. Get down to the welfare office. Get down to the welfare office ASAP."
-Samuel Hyde.
 
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numetalborder said:
Could you explain what you mean by this, and where you got that number?
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Certainly. The figure comes from the Bureau of Labor Statistics CPI Inflation Calculator.
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I include the gold conversion as well, because CPI isn't a perfect indictor of real inflation. Consider the following:

Screenshot if you don't want to watch
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Alternative calculations of $36,400 1985 dollars to current dollars include:
  • $144,158.98 in 2023 dollars - Social Security Wage Index
  • $180,627.29 in 2024 dollars - Medical-Care Inflation
  • $745,148.93 in 2022 dollars - ShadowStats
via https://www.halfhill.com/inflation_js.html
 
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NoReturn said:
Can any zoom-zooms provide insight into what you guys grew up with re: future careers and such?
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I vaguely remember my 8th grade English teacher having a discussion with us about this. Had us tell her what we wanted our future careers would be, and she said “Anyone who didn’t say engineer or [thing I don’t remember] is going to have it bad.” Paraphrasing of course, but then she gave us some article about it. Again, I barely remember shit.
 
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I love mixed media live action gags
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This is how generation Gamma and delta will see I show speed and Jerma references in our cartoons btw
related, a friend of mine was trying to find the origins of the ‘realistic closeup’ gag in animation and this bit from a 60s woody woodpecker short seems to be the one of the earliest examples of it ever done. Walter Lantz was a visionary.IMG_6076.jpeg
 
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