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Should be a wild four years.

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A small question: ¿Has ever a president overruled a presidential pardon? they could've done that for Nixon if the answer is yes.
Ha ha ha, great question, reddit.

Hey better, actually relevant question: Has a president's staff ever forged his signature without him knowing, and if so, is the document that wasn't actually signed by the president valid?

Is trump complying with these gay orders or is it on appeal
Most them are in limbo on appeal IIRC, but he did basically defy the one that very clearly says judges have no right to do what they tried. Said just said that she had equal power to the president or somesuch bullshit and is currently sneeding demanding he stop ignoring her and break national security rules to let her (and her lefty buddies) know just how to sue him further, so... We're just waiting for a nice warm day to cross waters of the Rubicon at this point.

Read current article, in trying to save the system the judges are destroying it.
Am I having early onset boomerism or is that a really, really shitty font?
 
Read current article, in trying to save the system the judges are destroying it.
This one? https://archive.vn/XecTL

One way to look at the last ten years is as the struggle of the United States to finally close the books on the Cold War and the 20th century. The reason Trump exists, and the managerial system has reacted in such a violent way toward him, is that he represents the end of the conditions that made it all possible. The return of a strong executive and the normal functioning of government is the end of the managerial system and everything around it.

The comparisons to the late Soviet times are compelling because the Russians went through a similarly violent process to escape their own managerial system and the ideology that controlled it. Like the Soviets, America is now run by old people trapped in the past, lacking the talent to adjust to new realities. Like the Soviet system, the American system barely performs basic functions. Like the Soviets, American political actors can only break things.

That last part is important. Reform by its very nature calls into question the legitimacy of current processes. The reason for reform is that the system is not working to the satisfaction of the users, so it must be changed. Good reformers, however, do not attack the core logic of the system, but focus instead on the parts of it that implement that core logic to maintain the legitimacy of the whole. Maybe it means new people or possibly changes to parts of the system.

Reforms in the late Soviet period undermined the core logic of the Soviet system, resulting in poorer outcomes. We see the same thing in America. The response to Trump in 2016 by conservatives and their party only served to sap the legitimacy of the conservative movement and the Republican Party. Trump started as a vanity candidate, but by January of 2016 he had become the champion of the party voters against the ossified party leadership.

Similarly, the behavior of the media cratered trust in the media. Their efforts to cajole, convince and intimidate people into going along with the managerial class eroded all trust in the media. By the end of Trump’s first term, trust in the media had collapsed to the point where only regime toadies trusted it. The same could be said for the people it was defending. Trump won in 2024 because the main tools of his enemies had been delegitimatized by his enemies.

We are now seeing another phase of this as district judges claim authority over vast parts of the executive branch. The last month has seen these inferior court judges claim to have power over the hiring and firing of personnel, the budgets of executive agencies and the conduct of foreign policy. A judge just ordered the military to enlist mentally unstable people. To stop the future, the managerial class is now destroying the credibility of the courts.

Public trust in the courts was already at a nadir because of the abuses we saw in the Obama years and then the Biden years. When the court ruled that mandating medical insurance was right there in the constitution, the rule of law took a sharp turn into absurdity, but when the Supreme Court ruled that two men sharing rent and bed is the same as your parents, then trust in the law was in free fall. It only got worse in the Biden years with the lawfare against Trump supporters.

What we are seeing from the courts now is the breaking point. No one would dare poll on it, because they fear the result, but there is certainly a majority in favor of the Trump administration telling the courts to pound sand. The whiffs of Sulphur the usual suspects are always sure they detect are not real, but rather they are the floral aroma of Caesarism in response to the reckless behavior of the courts. When the rule of law fails, the people always choose the rule of men.

While this may feel like a positive omen, there is another lesson from the end of Soviet Russia to keep in mind. Russia at the end of communism was a poor country, but a lawful country. It had rules that the people tried to respect. It then entered a period where it was a poorer country and a lawless one. When trust in the system collapsed, trust in the rules collapsed with it. It was only when a new elite emerged to impose a new system and new rules that lawfulness returned.

In other words, this dip into lawlessness we are seeing could very well portend a general descent into lawlessness. Like post-Soviet Russia, we could very well be entering a period where we get poorer as the rule of law collapses. Unlike Russia, America is not a homogenous society with a thousand years of history. America is a diverse country which is a polite way of saying it is a collection of people who would just as soon not share a country with one another.

If the elites backing Trump’s reforms wish to avoid a terrible end to their reform effort, they are going to need to deal with these hothouse radicals on the bench who cannot grasp the danger of their actions. The challenge, as with all reforms, is in dealing with the problem while not undermining the legitimacy of the system. These judges think they are heroes defending the system against the monster, when in reality they are a cancer threatening the last functioning part of the system.

It is not an easy task, which is why most reform efforts fail. In the end, it turns out to be easier to scrap the old and replace it with something new, but the problem is no one can predict who will win and who will lose in that process. It is why the reform is always the safe choice, despite the dismal record. It promises predictable winners. If today’s reformers want to be winners, then these judges need to be made into losers, without making the rule of law a loser as well.
 
Pretty sure the “Trump is controlled opposition“ meme died right around the second time they tried to murder him.
“They” was a singular shooter. Unless you can dig up some evidence that Thomas Crook was part of a larger effort, then it’s stupid to assume and speculate.

But all the wage worker conservatives here seem to disagree with Trump being the establishment party.

So being backed by billionaires and having nearly unlimited CPAC money along with now controlling all branches of government is NOT establishment?

The denial here is pretty fucking cringe.
 
OH OH OH, David Hines has a great quote about this in his great Days of Rage book club entry. (A)
"Weatherman is facing a few problems at this point: 1) they’re on the run 2) flower children are now dominant in the movement, not hard left 3) people are less supportive of bombings after a postdoc was killed by a Wisconsin car bombing of a university math building that did army research"

It should be telling from this passage alone that if some of the most hardcore of hardcore far-left crazies back in the seventies were scared straight after accidentally bombing their own operation and seeing death up close, that today's day and age of ANTIFAG larpers who roll over and cry after hearing the slightest microaggression do not have the stomach for any of the faggoty revolutionary ideas bouncing around in their hollow skulls.
 
>nice calm intellectual discussion going on in USPG2
>a happening occurs
>janny decides to feature the thread
>retards from the rest of the site come in and shit up the thread with their braindead takes
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Can you people stop blaming A&N for your own stupidity?
I wonder if this is how the beauty parlor feels when Null brings up a random crazy bitch on MATI.
 
“They” was a singular shooter. Unless you can dig up some evidence that Thomas Crook was part of a larger effort, then it’s stupid to assume and speculate.

But all the wage worker conservatives here seem to disagree with Trump being the establishment party.

So being backed by billionaires and having nearly unlimited CPAC money along with now controlling all branches of government is NOT establishment?

The denial here is pretty fucking cringe.
Circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy to assassinate Donald Trump:
1. Butler rally was the first time in the campaign that CNN showed a Trump rally live.
2. Reports of witnesses seeing Crooks on the roof and SS not doing anything.
3. Failure of SS to secure the roof.
4. The second Trump shooter having knowledge that Trump was playing golf in Florida that day when nobody else knew about it.
 
But all the wage worker conservatives here seem to disagree with Trump being the establishment party.
>multiple attempts on his life
>an attempt to impeach him
>an attempt to imprison him
>a 99.9% chance to have successfully cheated him out of a second term
>a concerted and well-funded effort in media and academia to smear any of his supporters as every -ist/-phobic under the sun and to deplatform/debank/dejob them
>judges crawling up from under the floorboards any time he and his cabinet do literally anything


When you put it that way, yeah, I can sure see how MAGA was the establishment all along.

Do you want an easy Establishment Litmus Test? Here, go and make two new discord accounts for the server of some game you really like; suck off Biden and tranny cock on one, and on the other just simply gently suggest that you're happy criminals are getting deported. Don't even mention Trump, don't mention MAGA. See how long it takes for each account to get atomized.

This test can be applied in basically any social setting in real life. You can measure how 'establishment' one of these positions is by how much screaming in your ears you get.
 
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Circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy to assassinate Donald Trump:
1. Butler rally was the first time in the campaign that CNN showed a Trump rally live.
2. Reports of witnesses seeing Crooks on the roof and SS not doing anything.
3. Failure of SS to secure the roof.
4. The second Trump shooter having knowledge that Trump was playing golf in Florida that day when nobody else knew about it.
So what I see so far is some incompetence on the SS’s part. But nothing that would definitively lead me to believe there was any kind of conspiracy.

Luigi Mangione knew about Brian Thomson’s hotel schedule and yet no one is claiming any conspiracy there.

Gonna need a bit more than that to sway me. Sorry, just not gonna throw my chips in on what is known so far. Crook was some disturbed individual who wanted to kill Trump, for reasons we’ll probably never know.
 
So what I see so far is some incompetence on the SS’s part. But nothing that would definitively lead me to believe there was any kind of conspiracy.

Luigi Mangione knew about Brian Thomson’s hotel schedule and yet no one is claiming any conspiracy there.

Gonna need a bit more than that to sway me. Sorry, just not gonna throw my chips in on what is known so far. Crook was some disturbed individual who wanted to kill Trump, for reasons we’ll probably never know.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/circumstantial_evidence

My point is that it’s reasonable to believe that a conspiracy was involved, not that you need to accept there was one. That means when someone says something like ‘they tried to kill Trump’, an intellectually honest person would give them the benefit of the doubt that multiple people could have been involved in Trump’s assassination attempts. To argue that there was in fact no conspiracy as a matter of fact is an argument in bad faith. Someone who argues in bad faith is being an idiot, thus the trash can I gave you.
 
Putler is clearly not a part of the LGBTIQQPP+ because he likes bare naked hooters.
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Sorry, I was just thinking of this picture today.

This is my 2nd favorite Putin picture. Look at the shock and horror and disgust on the other peoples faces while Putin's like 2 thumbs up, nice titties girl!

It's hard not to like someone whose got the balls to do that. I know Slav's love a strong man and Putin does the deed well.
 
She should count as two for quota purposes at that weight.
You joke. But the restaurant she was working in is just 4 blocks from Kensington Ave. This bitch is responsible for many of the zombies that became a tick tock trend in that neighborhood for the last couple of years. She's honestly a monster, and should probably be sent to El Salvador. She was deported once already for selling that poison on America's streets. She came back to keep doing it. No mercy IMO.
 
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